Spellcard Help Topic

[Hyperbole1729]

I'm currently trying EoSD Extra and I think I'm very close to clearing it (made it to QED 3-4 times) so improving on one or 2 of my problematic spell cards just might do the trick...

The ones I have trouble with are:

-Starbow Break
Is there any trick to it apart from dodging? I've been using the safe spot for a while but it feels kind of lame to do that  :V

-Maze of Love
Tried going around, tried staying at the bottom... In the end staying at the bottom seems easier but I keep getting killed "randomly"

-Catadioptric


-Counter Clock
I really have no idea what to do here. I've seen replays where people just seem to pass right through the lasers...

I'm using MarisaB by the way.

Thanks!

[Esoterica]

Jade of the Horrid River.

It's wrecking my runs completely, I either bomb it to hell and start the next noncard with 0-1 power, or die twice.

Also, Moriya's Iron Ring.

[Bananamatic]

Jade of the Horrid River.

It's wrecking my runs completely, I either bomb it to hell and start the next noncard with 0-1 power, or die twice.

Also, Moriya's Iron Ring.

Can't remember Jade, but when you are at the bottom, go through the top(and dodge the small bullets from the stream which just fell apart) and when at the top, stream it to the bottom and it passes over you.

As for Iron Ring....just shoot her, once she aims them at you, circle around her and repeat. It might wall you, but it's not a clippy spell.

[Esoterica]

Can't remember Jade, but when you are at the bottom, go through the top(and dodge the small bullets from the stream which just fell apart) and when at the top, stream it to the bottom and it passes over you.

As for Iron Ring....just shoot her, once she aims them at you, circle around her and repeat. It might wall you, but it's not a clippy spell.

Guess I just need to practice jade more, that's what I've been doing.

And Iron Ring seems to wall me every time.

[flurk]

Would like some advice.

SA Normal stage 5 - Rekindling of Dead Ashes. i fly with patchouli.

i'm guessing i'm supposed to go in a big circle around orin? or is there a trick to make the whole spellcard easy?

[LHCling]

or is there a trick to make the whole spellcard easy?

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=5589

At 3.xx or 4.00 Power (3.xx is better)

• Swap to Wood
• Shotgun as much as possible (Orin doesn't have a collision box)
• Back off before getting swarmed
• Swap to Water
• Finish

Alternatively, it's:

• Bottom-center
• Top-left (by moving up and then left)
• (Loop Start)
• Top-right
• Bottom-center (by moving down and then left)
• Top-right (by moving right and then up)
• Top-left
• Bottom-center (by moving down and then left)
• Top-left (by moving left and then up)
• (Loop End)

This one might seem confusing as the instructions are pretty vague. I'll get another replay up.
Finally, the 1cc-man's option:

• Swap to Wood
• Shotgun
• Bomb
• Win

[flurk]

This one might seem confusing as the instructions are pretty vague. I'll get another replay up.

thanks. i get what you mean.

and i think i'll go for the 1cc method although your first strat sounds MUCH MORE FUN. i think i'll try that first. patchouli abuse for the win!

and i refuse to watch replays to learn strats. i'm just stubborn that way so you don't have to go the extra mile for me but thanks a lot!!

EDIT: WTF WAS I THINKING? I HATE BOMBING METHODS. i'll go for the first strat

[LHCling]

Alternatively, it's:

• Bottom-center
• Top-left (by moving up and then left)
• (Loop Start)
• Top-right
• Bottom-center (by moving down and then left)
• Top-right (by moving right and then up)
• Top-left
• Bottom-center (by moving down and then left)
• Top-left (by moving left and then up)
• (Loop End)

This one might seem confusing as the instructions are pretty vague. I'll get another replay up.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=5591
That single death messed up the timing a fair bit. Anyway, the aim is to get the (zombie) fairies to the middle (at the start), top left, middle, top right, middle, top left, etc. parts of the screen constantly.

"Scarlet Meister"

Video showing a (rather basic) demonstration in a bit. Other than getting the technique down, it's all a matter of precision.

[Lybydose]

Moriya's Iron Ring:

Sit directly below her until the bullets get close, then move directly above her and stay there until she stops shooting.  Go back to the bottom middle and repeat.  The idea is to get as many of the rings fired in a vertical line as possible.  Replay.  The rest of the run pretty much sucks.

[flurk]

Moriya's Iron Ring:

Sit directly below her until the bullets get close, then move directly above her and stay there until she stops shooting.  Go back to the bottom middle and repeat.  The idea is to get as many of the rings fired in a vertical line as possible.  Replay.  The rest of the run pretty much sucks.

i do that too. and i move in a clockwise direction. seems to work every time.

[Esoterica]

Moriya's Iron Ring:

Sit directly below her until the bullets get close, then move directly above her and stay there until she stops shooting.  Go back to the bottom middle and repeat.  The idea is to get as many of the rings fired in a vertical line as possible.

Hm, exactly what I've been doing.  Should I be going up one side and down the other, or just sticking to one?

[Tsym]

Ok all my stuff is from EoSD.  Hard mode for those cards from the Normal game.

Maze of Love - Do the brown bullets come out faster or is it just me?

Starbow Break - I hear this talk of a "safe spot" where is it?  I've been doing it straight up the entire time :V.  Just out of curiosity, because I have like a 75% capture rate on it, so whatever.

Catadioptric - Yeah I get the "stay at the bottom right corner" thing, but I can't seem to do enough damage to her.  When should I move out from that little corner?  Right before she moves across the screen with completely vertical shots?

Counter Clock - When can the lasers kill you?  I sometimes bomb because I think the lasers are spawning right on top of me and are going to kill me, but sometimes I pass right through them.

Ok so for EoSD Hard.  Is MarisaB worth using for an easier Patchy fight?  It doesn't seem to be THAT bad save for Sylphae Horn High Level and Lava Cromlech.

Illusional Misdirection - I don't get how it works.  I also don't get how I'm supposed to approach it.

The World - Does misdirecting it help?  I always see some knives drift towards the middle regardless of a misdirect or not.

Killing Doll - Gayest spell card in the world that is impossible to beat?

Vampire Illusion - I can't seem to get too many shots off on her.  Should I just stay in the general middle area or what?

Scarlet Gensokyo - Stay at the bottom, yes?

[LHCling]

Maze of Love - Do the brown bullets come out faster or is it just me?

It's just you (and others). Psychological effect of not being able to see the brown bullets as easily.

Starbow Break - I hear this talk of a "safe spot" where is it?  I've been doing it straight up the entire time :V.  Just out of curiosity, because I have like a 75% capture rate on it, so whatever.

Spoiler:

Top-Left

I think it was, if not, then the other side. Or something.

Catadioptric - Yeah I get the "stay at the bottom right corner" thing, but I can't seem to do enough damage to her.  When should I move out from that little corner?  Right before she moves across the screen with completely vertical shots?

Yeah, pretty much. Or about when she moves to about the middle.

Counter Clock - When can the lasers kill you?  I sometimes bomb because I think the lasers are spawning right on top of me and are going to kill me, but sometimes I pass right through them.

This... is hard to explain. The lasers don't extend that far out, and have delay before materialization. Much like many other large "instant" lasers. IIRC you have about half a second upon seeing the lasers appear (not just the line) before they have a box.

Ok so for EoSD Hard.  Is MarisaB worth using for an easier Patchy fight?  It doesn't seem to be THAT bad save for Sylphae Horn High Level and Lava Cromlech.

Opinion-based.

Illusional Misdirection - I don't get how it works.  I also don't get how I'm supposed to approach it.

Similar principles. This time however, you need to memorize two paths through it. One for when Sakuya moves left, the other for when she moves right.

The World - Does misdirecting it help?  I always see some knives drift towards the middle regardless of a misdirect or not.

It does help to some extent. The knives still drift towards the middle, but by misdirecting it, you make the knives come in at a "later" time, which means that you don't get extremely quick-and-dense waves, but longer-and-less dense waves.

Killing Doll - Gayest spell card in the world that is impossible to beat?

Possible, but unlikely, especially at Max Rank. Bomb as soon as you feel like you're going to get trapped for survival purposes.

Vampire Illusion - I can't seem to get too many shots off on her.  Should I just stay in the general middle area or what?

Yeah, the general middle area. You just have to be patient.

Scarlet Gensokyo - Stay at the bottom, yes?

Not in all cases. But it does minimize the chances of being struck from behind.
Scarlet Meister (2 death timeout) for people who were suffering at it so much.

Other than getting the technique down, it's all a matter of precision.

[Lybydose]

Hm, exactly what I've been doing.  Should I be going up one side and down the other, or just sticking to one?

Always go down the opposite side you went up or you'll probably get walled.  It doesn't matter which side you go back up again, but if you look ahead you might see a few stray rings on one side that would make it slightly easier on you if you went the other way though. 

Also, Jade of the Horrid River is really easy if you're Reimu whichever one uses needles at 4 power or higher.

[Hyperbole1729]

Starbow Break - I hear this talk of a "safe spot" where is it?  I've been doing it straight up the entire time :V.  Just out of curiosity, because I have like a 75% capture rate on it, so whatever.

Spoiler:

It's on top-left but not completely on the corner; just move a bit on the right (to be right between the "n" and "e" of the word Enemy)

That said it's way better to capture it than using the safe spot (I only use it because I completely suck on this spell card...)

[Helix ⑨]

we really need a general question thread for these kind of things but I'll post it here now.

Which character do you guys suggest for clearing UFO's extra? I had it unlocked with SanaeA but she seemed rather lacking on nue, so I unlocked extra with SanaeB now aswell, should I stick with her or perhaps unlock reimu/marisa?

[ebarrett]

we really need a general question thread for these kind of things but I'll post it here now.

Which character do you guys suggest for clearing UFO's extra? I had it unlocked with SanaeA but she seemed rather lacking on nue, so I unlocked extra with SanaeB now aswell, should I stick with her or perhaps unlock reimu/marisa?

SanaeB is probably the easiest one since she trivializes the UFO cards even if you don't know exactly what you're supposed to do. If you do know how to do these, though, I'd say ReimuB is the best.

[Helix ⑨]

SanaeB is probably the easiest one since she trivializes the UFO cards even if you don't know exactly what you're supposed to do. If you do know how to do these, though, I'd say ReimuB is the best.

that's what I've heard before. But what do you really mean with trivializes the UFO cards? Does she kill the UFOs quick or something? (I haven't confirmed it but the frogs seem to explode, do they deal splash damage to nue and UFOs or something?)

[?q]

that's what I've heard before. But what do you really mean with trivializes the UFO cards? Does she kill the UFOs quick or something? (I haven't confirmed it but the frogs seem to explode, do they deal splash damage to nue and UFOs or something?)

Splash damage would be the entire point of SanaeB's existence...
So yes, everything you said.

[Rook]

This is kind of an odd request. It's not a spellcard, and it's not a noncard pattern either!

But does anyone know any "trick" to the last fairy in PCB Stage 4, the one with all the health who drops the bomb right before the boss fight?

I have to bomb her each time I get there on Hard, and it's rather shameful to have an autobomb spot versus one, single, solitary fairy :V

[?q]

I'm pretty sure the pattern is static.

The Death Fairy doesn't take damage until the last part of her pattern, so if you go off-center you'll probably lose that Bomb - so if you bomb, make it count~

Other than that, the only really hard part is getting through the white rice bullets.  Try to go toward those before they sweep through the bottom center so you don't have to worry about the red ball bullets at the same time.

[LHCling]

Static, has bomb immunity / reduction. Just learn it.
Not technically a Spell Card, but... Aya's 3rd non-spell.
Replay for reference. Am I even moving properly for the majority of the time? Is there something that I'm missing?

And 'nut show me how to use Yuka in MS Extra already. [/nag]

[Helix ⑨]

Wow, I just started my extra stage runs (UFO) with SanaeB and god, I was expecting it to be easier than SanaeA but this is insane. On Red UFO invasion: I think I ended this card about THREE times quicker than sanaeA, not only could I kill half of the UFOs every time causing there to be less bullets to dodge, but I also hit nue at that same time; dealing way more damage, causing it to be easier at multiple scales. First time I reached nue with saneaB and I already made it as far as my best attempt with SanaeA. This is gonna be pie  :V

[RainfallYoshi]

I'm currently trying EoSD Extra and I think I'm very close to clearing it (made it to QED 3-4 times) so improving on one or 2 of my problematic spell cards just might do the trick...

The ones I have trouble with are:

-Starbow Break
Is there any trick to it apart from dodging? I've been using the safe spot for a while but it feels kind of lame to do that  :V

-Maze of Love
Tried going around, tried staying at the bottom... In the end staying at the bottom seems easier but I keep getting killed "randomly"

-Catadioptric


-Counter Clock
I really have no idea what to do here. I've seen replays where people just seem to pass right through the lasers...

I'm using MarisaB by the way.

Thanks!

Ooo, EoSD Extra, my specialty.

Starbow Break: The card is static, so once you find a pattern of dodging that works for you, it should work every time. Otherwise it's just straight up random dodging. Safespot is right under the N in "Enemy" at the top-left for the weak of heart.

Maze of Love: I've never been able to do this spellcard the "normal way" by actually navigating around Flandre, I've always stuck to the bottom. IIRC the best way to go about it is to get down to the center of the bottom then as the waves start coming you just use very small taps to dodge through. Left, Wait, Left, Wait, Right IIRC.

Catadioptric: Other than telling you that the bottom right corner is less dense, I don't know how much I can help. I've never had a consistent capture rate on the card because it can just get so nerve-wracking. Keep your eye on wandering debris from the tails of the shots.

Counter Clock: Important thing to note here is that the tips of the lasers make them look a lot longer than they really are. The lasers also don't actually become solid until like a second after they show up. If you can keep these things in mind the card becomes a lot easier to attempt.

[Helix ⑨]

for counter clock I suggest watching a replay of someone who captures it and then MOVE EXACTLY 100% THE WAY HE DID! That's how I learned it, and since it's a pretty short card which also happens to be the same every time it will be quite easy to learn

[Bananamatic]

Does anyone know how Shou's nonspells work? The first 2 in particular. Pure reading? Or is something aimed?

[Sapz]

Does anyone know how Shou's nonspells work? The first 2 in particular. Pure reading? Or is something aimed?

Pretty confident they're pure reading. Shou doesn't seem to use much in the way of tricks. :V

[LHCling]

First one is pure reading.

The second one is pure reading as well, but there's a pattern as to how the large bullets are fired; they are governed by the 3rd laser net. However, I would probably ignore this fact because it makes you think (see: below).

This might also sound weird, but I also suggest you open the Music Room up and see the comment ZUN left behind.

[Bananamatic]

First one is pure reading.

The second one is pure reading as well, but there's a pattern as to how the large bullets are fired; they are governed by the 3rd laser net. However, I would probably ignore this fact because it makes you think (see: below).

This might also sound weird, but I also suggest you open the Music Room up and see the comment ZUN left behind.

The problem with the second one is the balls/second lasers going almost at once, or when I'm dodging the second wave, I manage to clip the first one somehow.

The first one isn't that bad, but the third wave(which wasn't there on Normal) tends to kill me a lot.

Also, redirectan balls pre-Shou.
The very last set, also the last set before Nazrin.

[LHCling]

Replay.
Covers the pre-boss orbs. Does not cover the 2nd non-spell (because I'm out of practice). It's really just grinding it until you get out of the "old-man killer" zone.

That pre-boss orb strategy also works on Lunatic. Shoot at your own risk.

5 hours sleep isn't good for my reading ability...