Spellcard Help Topic

[Zengeku]

Do you use SakuyaA by any chance?
I find Tenko pretty easy with ReimuB and it's not too long either....

No. Real winners don't use SakuyaA. Its ReimuB for me and i wasn't really complaining about its length. I was just saying that Undefined Darkness is faster to beat than Tenko.

If two cards that are both threatless compete in difficulty it would result in a tie. Then the life bar can be the tie breaker!

Oh and it appears nobody have any advice on that Lily thing. Guess i should stall her then.

[Heartbeam]

Oh and it appears nobody have any advice on that Lily thing. Guess i should stall her then.

Here you go.  Follow by example.

[Bananamatic]

No. Real winners don't use SakuyaA. Its ReimuB for me and i wasn't really complaining about its length. I was just saying that Undefined Darkness is faster to beat than Tenko.

If two cards that are both threatless compete in difficulty it would result in a tie. Then the life bar can be the tie breaker!

Oh and it appears nobody have any advice on that Lily thing. Guess i should stall her then.

Tenko is static, while Darkness is random.....the second one is obviously the harder one :V

EDIT: Both of Suwako's survivals. I can't figure out the first one at all and the second one is apparently luck based wallshit.
Captured everything else atleast once.

[Lybydose]

Red Frog:

The Suwakos aim at your position.  When the card starts, misdirect her straight down, then go right.  She should now aim mostly horizontally, just slowly move up (tap up when you hear the shooting sound, you don't have to move otherwise).  When you reach the top, make sure she is to the right of you, then go to the left side of the screen.  Let her shoot twice, then start slowly moving down.  The 2nd Suwako should appear around this time and, if you did it right, will also be aiming horizontal only.  Repeat the circle, only be quicker when switching back to the right side than you were switching to the left at the top.  Just make sure neither Suwako is above or below you when they shoot.

[Sapz]

Suwa War is partially luckshit but it becomes a lot easier if you move to around the top centre of the screen at 10 seconds or so remaining, and then stream downwards; this means that you mostly don't have to worry about the dark suns. Replay of my only capture of it to demonstrate (the rest of the run is hilariously bad, to the point where I manage to get telefragged by Suwako in the space between Red Frog and Suwa War).

[Bananamatic]

wait what
I can't defeat Suwako, then I suddenly 1 death the entire stage out of nowhere(and the one death was on Froggy.....)
Still can't capture her survivals, got a little better at them though.

[Zengeku]

Well, i went up against Nue today. Decided i wanted to use my standard strategy for the stage as usual. Gather three bombs before Kogasa and four lives before Nue. The three bombs are used to bomb everyone of her cards as they are just waste of time. The four lives are fail-safe in case Nue decides to clip me. Pretty likely actually.

I almost got my third capture of Survival Card. Almost.

Is there any specific tactic for the final three seconds? They ruin the entire spell for me.
And besides... is it possible to do Yukari's final spellcard without safespotting? Trying to safespot is bound to get me killed.

[Sapz]

Is there any specific tactic for the final three seconds? They ruin the entire spell for me.
And besides... is it possible to do Yukari's final spellcard without safespotting? Trying to safespot is bound to get me killed.

I never bothered to learn the safespot, I found an alternative way of doing it without too much effort. It's not very difficult to pull off, but kind of hard to describe, so here it is.

[Zengeku]

Thank you. I'll take a look at it later. Figured learning the spell would be kind of necessary when i go for my no-death Phantasm clear.

[Bananamatic]

Well, i went up against Nue today. Decided i wanted to use my standard strategy for the stage as usual. Gather three bombs before Kogasa and four lives before Nue. The three bombs are used to bomb everyone of her cards as they are just waste of time. The four lives are fail-safe in case Nue decides to clip me. Pretty likely actually.

I almost got my third capture of Survival Card. Almost.

Is there any specific tactic for the final three seconds? They ruin the entire spell for me.
And besides... is it possible to do Yukari's final spellcard without safespotting? Trying to safespot is bound to get me killed.

Final survival 3 seconds - look at it like at Danmaku Chimera. Except that there is one hole and the others appear as you pass that one.

[Zengeku]

Final survival 3 seconds - look at it like at Danmaku Chimera. Except that there is one hole and the others appear as you pass that one.

Well at Danmaku Chimera the holes are obvious. At Heiankyou i'm getting raped. Well ehmmm... is it static? If so i can just look at one of my replays where i capture it and reuse that strategy.

[Krimmydoodle]

Yes, Heiankyou is static aside from the aimed bubble lasers.  One way you can pseudo-practice it is to load up someone's YouTube replay *cough* and practice it by "dodging" the card with your mouse cursor, which can help with memorizing the movements without having to run through 9 minutes of stage and boss to get there.

[Bananamatic]

Blue UFO.....I have more problems with this one than with Rainbow now.

From what I know, try to read them and destroy one when they reach you, then go through that gap past them.....I still keep getting killed by point blank lasers, lasers hidden behind UFOs, etc.

I can capture the rest more comfortably than this one....except for Grudge Bow which is pure bullshit.

[DgBarca]

Blue UFO.....I have more problems with this one than with Rainbow now.

From what I know, try to read them and destroy one when they reach you, then go through that gap past them.....I still keep getting killed by point blank lasers, lasers hidden behind UFOs, etc.

I can capture the rest more comfortably than this one....except for Grudge Bow which is pure bullshit.

Which shot type do you use ?

[Bananamatic]

Which shot type do you use ?

ReimuA
because according to Baity SanaeB is broken and shouldn't be used

[Esoterica]

Philosophy of a Hated person is making me want to punch babies.

First phase is loleasy, but the second phase rapes me sideways.

[Bananamatic]

Philosophy of a Hated person is making me want to punch babies.

First phase is loleasy, but the second phase rapes me sideways.

Direct the first phase to upper left, then just camp middle top as the green flowers never go there. Maybe go a bit left/right to be safe.

EDIT: Anyone has a good tactic for Blue UFO as ReimuA? I find it completely luck based.

[8lue Wizard]

Instinct "Release of the Id"    0/46
Suppression "Super-Ego"    0/26

>.> Any tips on these two? I get the basic strategy, but they're still kicking my ass.

EDIT: One of my better performances. (ignore all the lolstupid mistakes elsewhere >.>)

[Lybydose]

This may or may not help, but I do "Release of the Id" no-vertical.  I also do "Super-ego" mostly no-vertical, I just use very small vertical movements.  I pretty much died constantly on these until I decided to stop moving up and down one time, and it worked.

[8lue Wizard]

^First thing I tried, once I started getting competent at reading them. No go.

[Esoterica]

This may or may not help, but I do "Release of the Id" no-vertical.  I also do "Super-ego" mostly no-vertical, I just use very small vertical movements.  I pretty much died constantly on these until I decided to stop moving up and down one time, and it worked.

I started doing this with RotI and have captured it every time, though I still usually fail Superego.

Also, it helps a lot to be near the bottom for both.

[Bananamatic]

Annihilation "Consecutive Hooks throughout Heaven and Earth" on Hard.
I've got the other cards almost down, but this one..... :V

Also, Dipper Creeping Close on Hard. Hell, even on Normal. Got a perfect Murasa fight once just to die there 2 times.

[LHCling]

Alright, for "Consecutive Hooks throughout Heaven and Earth" You want to start in the center, preferably close to the bottom. Dodge the first wave of fists by moving to the bottom of the screen, and then left and up. Following this, you move to the bottom right and up. This clears the first set.

Then you move down again to the bottom right (try to stay centered for a good yet safe amount of time to deal as much damage to end this quickly) and up again, then to the bottom-left and up. Then you basically repeat the motions from here. This is actually hard to explain in words, so... I might have to do another replay. First one turned to be a complete mess.

EDIT: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=5440 that is, if you still don't know how to do it.
Stage 4.

Four corner method works surprisingly well here (prior to my paranoia). Sit in the corner furthest from Murasa at first. That is, if she starts at the left-side, you move to one of the right corners. If she starts at the right-side, you move to one of the left corners. The replay should explain it pretty well.

[Tsym]

MoF Normal:

Stage 4 Ayayaya.  Illusionary Dominance.  I want to capture it T_T.

Stage 6 Kanako. Misayama Hunting Shrine Ritual.  Same deal.  I always get caught by the knives.
Miracle of Otensui.  Capture capture...  I always get caught by either the far left or far right stream.

PCB Normal:
Stage 6 Yuyuko. Lost Soul's Village -Fatal Sin-.  Is there an easier way of doing this/making this shorter?   Most of my mistakes here are just me getting cross-eyed from doing it too long.

[ebarrett]

spellcard help etc

Illusionary Dominance: choose a corner to deal with only half as many bullets, pray.

Misayama Hunting Shrine Ritual: I have not seen this one in months (hard/lunatic gets a completely different card) but isn't it just streaming the knives while weaving through the circles?

Miracle of Otensui: evil streaming. Quickly move up while unfocused in a corner to create gaps in the aimed streams. Clip something while going through the gap. Purple and red bullets add to your worries but what can one do, it's a horrible card.

Lost Soul's Village: dodge at the corners where the bullets come at you vertically, shotgun Yuyuko between waves.

[zky]

Instinct "Release of the Id"
Suppression "Super-Ego"

The trick here is to think about each "line" of bullet separately. Think only about getting in between a stream of bullets before worrying about the other direction.


Misayama Hunting Shrine Ritual

This card is very very tricky. You need to figure out exactly when the knives lock on to you, and time it so that as soon as that happens, you get to the other side as quickly as possible, while avoiding the white balls. The key is knowing WHEN to move.

[Lybydose]

Instinct "Release of the Id"
Suppression "Super-Ego"

The trick here is to think about each "line" of bullet separately. Think only about getting in between a stream of bullets before worrying about the other direction.

Yeah and you can practice on Kaguya's "Half Past 2" final spellcard (or the easier versions) in IN, it's mostly the same thing.

[Tsym]

Misayama Hunting Shrine Ritual: I have not seen this one in months (hard/lunatic gets a completely different card) but isn't it just streaming the knives while weaving through the circles?

The knives are aimed in your general area of the screen.  If it was more like Yuyu's version of the card, I'd be thankful.

[ebarrett]

The knives are aimed in your general area of the screen.  If it was more like Yuyu's version of the card, I'd be thankful.

OK so I actually played it now. Stay on one corner; when the knives start moving, go to the other corner. Simple as that. This way you can either ignore the knives altogether (if you manage to get to the other corner), or pass through a HUGE gap that appears between the last and next-to-last bunches of knives, if the circle bullets delay you. There are other ways to do it since the knife formation is always the same but this is probably the safest one.

Of course, you have to "not hold shift to focus".

[Azure Lazuline]

Honest Man's Death. I can't figure out what to do - or I think I know what to do but just suck at pulling it off (I lost two lives and 4 bombs to it on my best run). What I think is to go to the right, then after the laser passes, switch direction so the next laser doesn't kill you. That sounds easy, but I can't seem to do it, even in Spell Practice. Am I missing something?