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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #150 on: November 15, 2009, 04:42:26 AM »
Sadly, no, I don't have a replay. Probably should have saved it... Oh well.

Anyway, on to more rage... WHAT THE FREAKING HELL SHIKI?! I reach her with three lives and game over... Depressingly, this would be normal if it weren't for one little detail... I GOT AN EXTEND DURING THE BATTLE! Seriously... Can't she just stick with the dodgehax for the first three lives and commit suicide like a good little girl on the fourth instead of sending WALLS at me?! ARGH!!!
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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #151 on: November 15, 2009, 04:49:45 AM »

Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #152 on: November 15, 2009, 04:52:03 AM »
Yuka.
Bah, I was expecting you to say Lyrica, Komachi, Mystia, Reisen, or someone similar, in which case I was going to say "It's your character's fault, use Reimu and watch her fall", but Yuka's not too bad against the AI.

All I can say is "Best of luck", then. :V

Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #153 on: November 15, 2009, 05:26:17 AM »
Another bit of advice, stop shooting every so often. The less you shoot, the less bullets are on your field, meaning less stuff for Shiki's EX Attacks to convert into solid walls :V

Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #154 on: November 15, 2009, 05:27:29 AM »
Another bit of advice, stop shooting every so often. The less you shoot, the less bullets are on your field, meaning less stuff for Shiki's EX Attacks to convert into solid walls :V
This, though it doesn't work too well if you're using the control setup that puts focus and shoot on the same key.

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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #155 on: November 15, 2009, 05:48:01 AM »
Bah, I was expecting you to say Lyrica, Komachi, Mystia, Reisen, or someone similar, in which case I was going to say "It's your character's fault, use Reimu and watch her fall", but Yuka's not too bad against the AI.
For story mode, Mystia is top tier and Yuka is questionable. You don't want offensive capacity, since it's pointless; you want survivability, which comes from bullet-clearing (both are excellent) and, in particular against Shikieiki, speed. And Yuka's speed is horrible. And therefore Yuka gets walled all the time.

Another bit of advice, stop shooting every so often. The less you shoot, the less bullets are on your field, meaning less stuff for Shiki's EX Attacks to convert into solid walls :V
This only works reliably until Lily first shows up. And then you're probably at a gauge disavantage as well.

Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #156 on: November 15, 2009, 05:51:32 AM »
For story mode, Mystia is top tier and Yuka is questionable. You don't want offensive capacity, since it's pointless; you want survivability, which comes from bullet-clearing (both are excellent) and, in particular against Shikieiki, speed. And Yuka's speed is horrible. And therefore Yuka gets walled all the time.
This only works reliably until Lily first shows up. And then you're probably at a gauge disavantage as well.
Yuka's flower walls work amazingly well for walling in the AI.  No matter how broken Shiki likes to be when it comes to dodging, she can't possibly dodge a solid flower wall without bombing, which can mean the end of that last half orb.

And speed is hardly as big a deal as you seem to make it out to be.  If this computer could handle it, I'd go fight Lunatic Aya in match play with Yuka right now to prove it, too.

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« Reply #157 on: November 15, 2009, 06:37:58 AM »
Yuka's flower walls work amazingly well for walling in the AI.  No matter how broken Shiki likes to be when it comes to dodging, she can't possibly dodge a solid flower wall without bombing, which can mean the end of that last half orb.

This works... once in a blue moon. Yuka's "solid" walls aren't really that solid. You can get the "Icicle effect" with two coming at the same time and at the same speed next to each other exactly on top of the AI's hitbox, but I wouldn't count on it - I still prefer to not care about what's happening on the other side of the screen and just hang on for just over three minutes which is how much non-first-round story mode lunatic Shiki usually lasts against a character that doesn't throw any AI-breakers at her at the exact right time.

Yuka can (as Reimu will) eventually give you a quick win, but can you say it's something you can count on happening? No, you can't, and advice like this only adds up the frustration because it further adds luck as an element, and when you devise a luck-based strategy, people start to expect possible but very unlikely things to happen all the time, and then everyone starts to bitch about how the game is unfair because Reimu's balls are supposed to obliterate Shiki and it didn't happen, etc etc etc.

The only thing you can count on to an extent is the magical three-minute mark (that's the timer for lunatic, I don't remember how long it takes on lower difficulties - probably more since there's a lot less bullets for the AI to ram into as well) - and even that can go down the drain if you take the "stop shooting" route, though I haven't tested it extensively yet because it's another unreliable tactic which just further adds variation. It's "good" if you're trying to punch above your weight; it's bad if you want reliability.


And speed is hardly as big a deal as you seem to make it out to be.  If this computer could handle it, I'd go fight Lunatic Aya in match play with Yuka right now to prove it, too.

Most of Aya's attacks are streamable. She's one of the easiest characters to survive against, even if she's very likely to get you once in story mode anyway because she'll survive long as well in the first round. A "regular" good PoFV run will see one death each at stages 6, 7 and 8 with any character, and be decided at how well the character you're playing with deals with Shikieiki. No one is complaining about Aya taking all of their lives.

Picture this: I tried 1cc'ing lunatic with Yuka for a long time, often failing after arriving at Shiki with four spare lives; then I tried Reimu for a while, and got my 1cc with much difficulty, and still can't do it reliably enough to expect to win every time I try; but I can 1cc lunatic about 80% of the time (if not more) with Mystia, Cirno or Marisa, who are the fastest non-broken characters.



tl;dr;
Spoiler:
didn't proofread as well, colonvee
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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #158 on: November 15, 2009, 06:47:05 AM »
No one is complaining about Aya taking all of their lives.
...well, someone's been ignoring my posts on PoFV...

Seriously.  Streaming is fine, but when the streaming runs into masses of bullets there's not much you can do.

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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #159 on: November 15, 2009, 06:56:27 AM »
lol it's the guy with the ufo lunatic "1cc"
cool fps bro

Lol dude disabled ratings and comments :V

Ah, sorry, I made a mistake. I was confusing his replay with this. Sorry D:

Looks like it actually is his replay then, even though it is obviously TAS'd.

But the FPS remained at 60.
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The FPS is 60 even when you slowdown the game. I have done this many times myself.
So far I've only seen this in GODrake runs D:

Also that scoring method of spinning around inside the lasers of Syou's third non-spell is much easier than it should be. :(

Still fairly risky because she rams into you upon activating LAZORS :V

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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #160 on: November 15, 2009, 08:58:14 AM »
I was playing Remi's theme on the keyboard/piano when it died all of a sudden. I don't know whether or not I should be mad the fact that I can't even play her theme without having something bad happen halfway through it.

The strange part is that my batteries were just fine before I started playing.

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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #161 on: November 15, 2009, 01:43:44 PM »
Fucking hate MoF hard. ALL my deaths are bad luck, not a single one because I lack skills. After 10 tries I finally manage not to die to stupidness in stage 1.
First death: Hina's midboss spellcard, I go inbetween a gap, spot incoming bullets and bomb but no bomb went off. great.
Second death: Went up the PoC, moved sideways and down the middle, only to be met by a spawning fairy and get clipdeathed...
Third death: Stage 3 fairy spawns bullets in my face.
Fourth death: Nitori's last card, I capture it and when there is the miniscule bar of health left (about the wideness of the letter 'l') I get walled in by the lasers and one came straight at me >.<
Then came stage 4: Death by fairies spawning bullets next to me, those big fairies spawning small shit everywhere. Reached aya with 1 life, die pretty much instantly, then die again on her first card....

Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #162 on: November 15, 2009, 02:09:26 PM »
I actually die in stage 1 a lot also, to the boss. Most of my MoF Hard runs end there when I clipdeath on one of the spells. If I make it past there, I usually clipdeath something on stage 2 and restart. Then I either mess up on stage 3 and restart or get all the way to 6 where I either make it to Virtue of Wind God then fail or just fail horribly.

Unlocked level 8 of Shoot the Bullet Earlier after getting up to 35 scenes cleared. I'm now at 37 so I can either capture one more from level 8 to unlock level 9 or capture 3 more. I keep ****ing clipdeathing to one of the cards when I have 9/10 of the necessary pictures.

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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #163 on: November 15, 2009, 03:30:03 PM »
MoF Hard...

...Is it just me or does MoF really -not- give you a lot of lives?  Not that you need many with so many bombs, but seriously.

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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #164 on: November 15, 2009, 03:41:09 PM »
MoF Hard...

...Is it just me or does MoF really -not- give you a lot of lives?  Not that you need many with so many bombs, but seriously.
I think it's quite on par. But in TH 6-8 you can add additional lives from the options menu. Where as in MoF you'll be needing to collect all point and faith items, above the PoC if possible or you'll miss out on lives. (and most of my deaths come from being near the PoC).

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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #165 on: November 15, 2009, 04:35:44 PM »
in EoSD you can 1cc with 8 deaths, PCB you can 1cc with 10, IN you can 1cc with 9, MoF 8 again.

No idea about SA and UFO, probably 10+
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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #166 on: November 15, 2009, 04:53:16 PM »
Meh, was doing fine on MoF hard. Got hit on the 2nd to last spell with no lives left (plenty of power), cause I thought the bullet's hitbox was smaller. Could have totally made it if it wasn't for: A. Stupid death in stage 3. B. 2 deaths on Sanae's midboss opener (two?!? how can you die TWICE?!)

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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #167 on: November 15, 2009, 05:13:16 PM »
UFO Normal, 11 stage 1 restarts due to running into about everything imaginable before the midboss. One other attempt gets as far as Kogasa before two deaths on Rainy Night's Ghost Story. -.-

Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #168 on: November 15, 2009, 05:27:01 PM »
I can usually consistently capture most stage 2 boss cards on Normal except for that one. My strategy for it: Master Spark. It's better for me to waste a bomb than to die to it.

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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #169 on: November 15, 2009, 05:57:45 PM »
How the CRAP did I screw up EVERY SINGLE ONE of Marisa's attacks except Shoot the Moon?

How the BLOODY HELL did I run into THREE FAIRIES on Stage 5?

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS

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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #170 on: November 15, 2009, 06:15:57 PM »
UFO Hard

WTF is wrong with Ichirin! ARGGHHHH
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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #171 on: November 15, 2009, 07:22:07 PM »
JESUS CHRIST WHAT THE FUCK I HATE SA STAGE 1

I can't stand doing it over and over again just to die to some fairy or the boss or whatever!
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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #172 on: November 15, 2009, 08:35:16 PM »
Most of Level 5, Level 7, most of Level 8, and Level 9 in Shoot the Bullet are complete BS.

The game either shoots solid walls at you often or makes it near impossible to get close enough to take a picture of the boss. Or the game throws lots of danmaku that is hard to dodge and it takes way too long to charge the camera.

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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #173 on: November 15, 2009, 10:15:21 PM »
find it, then we can rag on him for stealing a cheated replay, claiming it was his and it being TASed dishonestly as well
Uh, check the High Score. That's one way to determine if you're watching somebody else's replays. If they're closely aligned, then it most probably means that it's their replay.

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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #174 on: November 15, 2009, 10:23:29 PM »
My first time getting past Stage 3 in UFO Lunatic - I was doing pretty well, and entered Stage 5 with two lives to spare. I then manage to die three times in under a minute. Goddamnit. :V
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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #175 on: November 15, 2009, 10:54:40 PM »
Seriously wtf.

I tried 4 times and I can never reach Orin with more than one life! :(

Parsee is overrated, but Yuugi is HELL :/

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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #176 on: November 15, 2009, 11:14:31 PM »
Quickly going back to that TAS run...

Today's lesson will be... TAS131 (The basics of TAS 1).

Replay.

You be the judge. He left it in the video description if you're asking where I found it. That's the exact link.

EDIT: Bonus points for pointing out legitimate strategies that actually work in practice.
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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #177 on: November 15, 2009, 11:53:04 PM »
Quickly going back to that TAS run...

Today's lesson will be... TAS131 (The basics of TAS 1).

Replay.

You be the judge. He left it in the video description if you're asking where I found it. That's the exact link.

EDIT: Bonus points for pointing out legitimate strategies that actually work in practice.
So, are we supposed to point out blatant cheating or something? :V
Can't replay that replay atm....stupid HD  :-\

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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #178 on: November 16, 2009, 12:33:48 AM »
I would probably be much better at UFO Hard if Ichirin wasn't the worst boss in the series.*

*except SoEW Marisa

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Re: Touhou ParseeRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Thread Part 4
« Reply #179 on: November 16, 2009, 12:47:39 AM »
I hate SA Stage 1 with a passion.
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