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Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2009, 05:34:17 AM »
Does Reisen have a notable passive skill, like Tewi's auto deathbomb or Reimu's tiny hitbox?

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...I guess that's a "no"

Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2009, 05:39:57 AM »
...I guess that's a "no"
Well, at least its not the worst passive skill. I mean, at least this means spirits that I accidentally activate near the bottom of the screen can still get above me in time so that I can shoot them down before they explode. =V

*tortures himself and continues trying*

EDIT: Also, there a way to play as Reisen's alternate colors? If memory serves her alt. outfit is one I'd like to play as.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2009, 06:21:08 AM by AlexX »

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Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2009, 06:36:38 AM »
Does Reisen have a notable passive skill, like Tewi's auto deathbomb or Reimu's tiny hitbox?
The only passive skills I can think of that are noteworthy are Marisa's, Mystia's, Medicine's, and Yuka's.

However, Reisen's lv1 charge is so destructive that after the pace starts to pick up it outshines Marisa's passive gauge increase, so there's that to think about.

Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2009, 06:39:06 AM »
However, Reisen's lv1 charge is so destructive that after the pace starts to pick up it outshines Marisa's passive gauge increase, so there's that to think about.

I'm a bit confused about Reisen's L1 attack. Is it really that good? I've always used Reisen in between my Cirnos and Yukas, but her L1 attack never really seemed that good. Am I just missing something?

ebarrett

Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2009, 06:43:19 AM »
I'm a bit confused about Reisen's L1 attack. Is it really that good? I've always used Reisen in between my Cirnos and Yukas, but her L1 attack never really seemed that good. Am I just missing something?

It has that annoying tendency of hitting a random fairy before getting to where you want it to. I still think that whatever it does, Marisa's laser does better.

Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2009, 06:47:36 AM »
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I'm a bit confused about Reisen's L1 attack. Is it really that good? I've always used Reisen in between my Cirnos and Yukas, but her L1 attack never really seemed that good. Am I just missing something?
The blast is massive, high-power (one can take out Lily or a boss), and lasts an extremely long time, which means if it's sitting in the top of the screen it'll eat everything up there and dump it all on your opponent.

And at max spellpoints it fills about two bars.

Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2009, 06:51:57 AM »
It has that annoying tendency of hitting a random fairy before getting to where you want it to. I still think that whatever it does, Marisa's laser does better.
Agreed completely.  I'm pretty sure the damage is almost the same, even.  The only real advantage to Reisen's is horizontal range (though to be fair, that's rather important).

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Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2009, 06:55:12 AM »
It has that annoying tendency of hitting a random fairy before getting to where you want it to. I still think that whatever it does, Marisa's laser does better.
Marisa's laser is probably better, but I tend to use the bullet for crowd control more than anything. Even if it blows up prematurely it tends to blow a freaking huge hole in the bullets for me to find an escape through, which helps me a lot.

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Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2009, 06:58:19 AM »
The only real advantage to Reisen's is horizontal range (though to be fair, that's rather important).

Marisa's laser is probably better, but I tend to use the bullet for crowd control more than anything. Even if it blows up prematurely it tends to blow a freaking huge hole in the bullets for me to find an escape through, which helps me a lot.

Marisa's laser does the same crowd control from a mile away without chance of interruption. You're supposed to sweep the screen with it, not shoot it while standing still (unless when attacking bosses).

edit: unfortunately all of my Marisa lunatic 1ccs failed to save. wait half an hour and I'll see if I can get another, I'm having better luck with the saves as of late.

edit#2: pah, the replay failed to save. a shame - I played like a madman (NOT in the good sense), 131+ million points, ended with no lives left, highly entertaining stuff.
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Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2009, 07:29:50 AM »
I know Marisa is better. That doesn't change I'd rather 1CC it with Reisen. >.>

Also: Anyone know how to select a character's alternate color aside from being P2 in a mirror match?

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ebarrett

Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2009, 07:34:05 AM »
I know Marisa is better. That doesn't change I'd rather 1CC it with Reisen. >.>

Well don't complain then.  :V
I have a near-100% 1cc rate with Marisa, Mystia and Cirno nowadays and I've never 1cc'ed it with Reisen, so you might have an idea of what you're getting yourself into.

Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2009, 07:43:55 AM »
Well don't complain then.  :V
Where was I doing that? All I'm complaining about right now is the inability to play as Reisen's alt costume. =V

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I have a near-100% 1cc rate with Marisa, Mystia and Cirno nowadays and I've never 1cc'ed it with Reisen, so you might have an idea of what you're getting yourself into.
I know very well this won't be easy, but I can get very close to beating Medicine more than once, so it's not impossible.

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Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2009, 08:44:17 AM »
Where was I doing that? All I'm complaining about right now is the inability to play as Reisen's alt costume. =V

I think I was thinking about Banana's grumpiness towards PoFV lunatic and mixed everyone up.  :V

I know very well this won't be easy, but I can get very close to beating Medicine more than once, so it's not impossible.

You might want to know that "very close to beating Medicine" isn't half the path. I just got my Reisen 1cc (which of course failed to save - I still wonder how much luck I had with the Medicine/Aya NFNV runs saving, one after the other) - one death to Sakuya, one to Medicine, one to Komachi and three to Shikieiki. And don't be fooled: I played my absolute best against Shikieiki.

I wish the replays wouldn't crash so often.  :'(

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Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2009, 08:51:22 AM »
I wish the replays wouldn't crash so often.  :'(
There was an apparent workaround for this.

What you do is when you go to save the replay, you select the spot so it will ask you for the name input. You cancel out of this, and then you select the same spot and save it.

Whether it actually prevents crashing or not; who knows. But it certainly allowed me to save certain PoFV replays before.

Another belief in the crashing is the use of the English version.
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Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2009, 09:00:42 AM »
You might want to know that "very close to beating Medicine" isn't half the path. I just got my Reisen 1cc (which of course failed to save - I still wonder how much luck I had with the Medicine/Aya NFNV runs saving, one after the other) - one death to Sakuya, one to Medicine, one to Komachi and three to Shikieiki. And don't be fooled: I played my absolute best against Shikieiki.
Yeah, I'm expecting Shikieiki to completely ruin me... I'm not a very good player even at the normal games, so I doubt I'll be able to actually achieve it anytime soon, but I'd still rather not just give up...

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Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2009, 09:03:09 AM »
There was an apparent workaround for this.
You say it as if I didn't know it.  :V  It worked for a long time then it stopped working for no reas-

Another belief in the crashing is the use of the English version.
...hmmm. This is interesting. Worth a try.


Yeah, I'm expecting Shikieiki to completely ruin me... I'm not a very good player even at the normal games, so I doubt I'll be able to actually achieve it anytime soon, but I'd rather not just give up...

PoFV was the first lunatic I cleared. Just keep going. I'd advise against using Reisen if your goal is a 1cc, though.

Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2009, 09:24:23 AM »
PoFV was the first lunatic I cleared. Just keep going. I'd advise against using Reisen if your goal is a 1cc, though.
Rest assured I'm not using Reisen because I want to 1CC, I'm using Reisen because I want to 1CC with her specifically.

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Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2009, 03:29:15 PM »
Person who actually likes PoFV checking in.

Top Tier (against AI):
Medicine:  You should not see a match last more than 90 seconds. The pixel-perfect dodging the AI uses doesn't work when they're slowed down.
Aya:  Pixel-perfect dodging also doesn't work when there's a giant red thing coming at you at high speed.  Not recommended because very fast bullets will be reflected at you.

High Tier (against AI):
Reimu:  Large yin-yang orbs and the ability to trap foes with homing spells.  Does not score very well.  Occasionally her spells will send fast bullets toward you.
Sikieiki:  Godly scope and an even godlier Lv. 2 for scoring.  Main offense is the Last Judgment laser, which hits a fair amount of the time.

Mid Tier:
Marisa:  The standard for playable characters.  Good scope and the charge time buff is very useful, but the chance that her lasers will hit the AI is pretty small (but at least it exists).
Cirno:  If you're fine with a manic focused speed and a scope that only allows you to body-check the butterflies; she can punish the AI with her icicles and play a great defensive game with spell spam (and still score reasonably well!).
Sakuya:  The only thing worse than playing as Sakuya is playing against Sakuya.  Her EX attacks slay the AI at the expense of an awkward scope and an awkward time stop.

Low Tier:
Yuka:  A slow character that winds up having to dodge fast bullets.  What's wrong with this picture?  She's sort of okay at hitting the AI because her flowers are huge, but she's difficult to use once the bullets start flying.
Tewi:  Her autobomb isn't worth basically having to play unfocused.  Her EX attack surprisingly does well against the AI.

Bottom Tier:
Lyrica:  See Reisen, but with a better scope.
Reisen:  Lv. 2 spam will do nicely for scoring, but she has no attacks that will hit the AI... leading to a contradiction.
Komachi:  Has no attacks that will hit the AI.  With that in mind, ranges from okay to terrible based on how you abuse her scope.
Mystia:  I don't get what's so great about her scope.  Moves very quickly and has no attacks that will hit the AI.
Youmu:  Her Lv. 1 shot is a rip-off of epic proportions, she doesn't score well, and while her blue knife spam has a greater-than-zero chance of hitting the AI it's not worth it on your side of the screen.

Something that I didn't factor in because I don't remember who fights whom:
*Yuka is easier than Komachi.  I'm not sure if Reimu is easier than Komachi.
*Aya is much easier than Medicine.
*Reimu is easier than Sikieiki.

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You can't change to your alt costume during Story Mode.
I think in Match Mode you need to hold Shift as you select your character.

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Reisen's Lv. 1 attack would be much better if it had any chance of reaching the top of the screen and hitting something (considering it's slow-moving and usually detonates when it hits a spirit that's about a centimeter in front of you).

Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2009, 03:49:59 PM »
A bit of clarification; it's not that Mystia's scope is good, it's that her passive ability sends spirits flying straight into it.  Kind of like a more roundabout version of Komachi's scope (bring everything to you as opposed to activating them wherever), except with the benefit that anything you activate will already be in front of your face.

Also, Yuka's not *that* bad, you just need to be comfortable with micrododging and playing unfocused frequently.

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Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #49 on: October 24, 2009, 04:03:17 PM »
If you play Yuka, you will not fight Medecine I guess, because it would be horrible
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Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #50 on: October 24, 2009, 04:24:41 PM »
If you play Yuka, you will not fight Medecine I guess, because it would be horrible
Then this can be your fault.

It can also be your fault that my life mission is to now win this fight.

Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #51 on: October 24, 2009, 04:55:34 PM »
A bit of clarification; it's not that Mystia's scope is good, it's that her passive ability sends spirits flying straight into it.  Kind of like a more roundabout version of Komachi's scope (bring everything to you as opposed to activating them wherever), except with the benefit that anything you activate will already be in front of your face.

In my experience, her ability only attracts spirits that are already in front of her or slightly to the side.

Y'know, the ones that her scope would already touch even if they weren't flying at her. >_>

Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #52 on: October 24, 2009, 06:49:08 PM »
Bottom Tier:
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Reisen:  Lv. 2 spam will do nicely for scoring, but she has no attacks that will hit the AI... leading to a contradiction.
I find Luna Megalopolis usually lands some hits on the AI, but that doesn't help much when the CPU has the magical ability to pull a boss move out of their rear end any time I get lucky enough to send one their way, rendering it rather pointless...

EDIT: Also, there a way to reduce lag in netplay mode? A game with a friend of mine ended up going at 10 FPS...
« Last Edit: October 24, 2009, 06:51:55 PM by AlexX »

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Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #53 on: October 24, 2009, 07:30:15 PM »
I find that Youmu is an extremely good defensive player... but of course, very bad at offense. It basically becomes a game of whoever messes up first. (Which of course means that using her against the AI is suicide, but she works fairly well against humans.)

Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #54 on: October 24, 2009, 07:37:16 PM »
Haha! I managed to reach Komachi this time! The odd part? I never fought Tewi before then... I fought Lyrica and Reimu for rounds 3 and 4, respectively.

Also, it seems you CAN select your alt costume in story mode by holding shift when selecting. The irony? Reisen's alternate costume only changes her clothes, so because her hair is so long it makes almost no difference on her sprite. >.>

Also... I actually kinda like when her lv1 detonates right away, because it means stuff died and bullets are cleared. If it goes right through then I have to rely on my craptacular pure dodging skills to survive..

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Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #55 on: October 24, 2009, 07:48:03 PM »
I find that Youmu is an extremely good defensive player... but of course, very bad at offense. It basically becomes a game of whoever messes up first. (Which of course means that using her against the AI is suicide, but she works fairly well against humans.)
Then why did I have the best results at Lunatic with her? :V

Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #56 on: October 24, 2009, 07:54:52 PM »
Then why did I have the best results at Lunatic with her? :V
What kind of score did you get with her?

I got about 50.9 million points before I game over'd at Komachi.

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Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #57 on: October 24, 2009, 07:58:04 PM »
What kind of score did you get with her?

I got about 50.9 million points before I game over'd at Komachi.
34,757,500.
However, ONE MORE HIT AND IT WOULD BE 1CC LUNATIC.

Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #58 on: October 24, 2009, 08:15:15 PM »
I find that Youmu is an extremely good defensive player... but of course, very bad at offense. It basically becomes a game of whoever messes up first. (Which of course means that using her against the AI is suicide, but she works fairly well against humans.)
Personally, I think she's one of the easier characters to win with, because the AI is retarded at dodging non-moving bullets.  Seriously. :V

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Re: PoFV halp
« Reply #59 on: October 24, 2009, 08:20:04 PM »
Personally, I think she's one of the easier characters to win with, because the AI is retarded at dodging non-moving bullets.  Seriously. :V
The AI doesn't get hit, the AI just decides when it gets hit and rams the closest bullet.
Aya and Medicine break this because zun's girlfriend lol since the AI can't read all the fast shit neither it can deal with the slowdown.
Seriously. :V