Best/Worst Shottypes in the Series?

[Sen]

This occurred to me the other day. Which shottypes around the series are absolutely amazing and destroy whatever game they're in? And conversely, which shottypes are absolutely laughable?

I'd think the top three most broken shots are SA ReimuA, PCB SakuyaB, and MoF MarisaC.
...so basically, all the scoring shottypes :V


As for worst...
MoF ReimuC immediately comes to mind. Incredibly powerful if you can shotgun, but...how often can you actually do that? The spread is laughable at long distance, and the damage is pathetic unless you're right up the enemy's nose.
IN Alice has no range at all, and isn't even that strong. The shot is really only good for MAlice Cannon.
And, of course, UFO MarisaB. Bad damage without shotgunning, the backwards shots are almost entirely useless, and her bomb is stunningly useless. :V

[Slaves]

well Reimu needles is pretty much THE shottype across all the games.

Marisa A in MoF is pretty lol, though. you'd think it'd be more powerful with the amount of shots hitting the enemy, but it isn't.

[nintendonut888]

Alice solo is potentially the best for extra as Kefit demonstrated. Alice's piercing laser hits both Mokou and her enlarged phoenix hitbox for massive damage, more than even the Malice Cannon can do. Otherwise yeah it's pretty useless. :V

Probably the "best" shot type I can think of is Marisa A in LLS. Quite simply, she breaks the game. She is supposed to be the concentrated forward power type. While she's definitely the power type (doing approximately THREE TIMES as much damage as the homing type), she actually has quite a bit of range to her as well. Bosses die in a flash, and stages are only slightly harder than they would be with homing.

Worst would probably be Marisa C in SA. Weak damage relative to its pathetic range, a bomb that becomes useless at higher levels of play, a fat hitbox, and that annoying pop noise it makes.

Marisa A in MoF wins honorable mention for "what the hell is even the point?"

[Matsuri]

*kick* MoF Marisa A is awesome.

I'd have to say SA Marisa C or MoF Marisa C for worst. MoF Marisa C would have been so much better if the options didn't stick for a couple of seconds every time you pressed focus and let go. If it worked like Remilia's options do, it would be great. SA Marisa C is just laughable.

Best would have to go to any of the Reimu needle-types and SakuyaB, if you ask me.

[Drake]

Just mentioning IN Alice is the weapon of choice if you want to Solo Mokou. Laser hits both her and the wings, generally does a lot of damage to her.

[Azinth]

Eh, MoF ReimuC and UFO MarisaB would probably be good for stuff like easy-mode scorerunning, for those strange people who are into that kind of thing (like Heartbeam and, uh... Heartbeam).

Also, I'm surprised no one mentioned Sakuya solo yet, since she's probably the only shottype I can think of who honestly has no use whatsoever for anything (aside from retarded challenges of course).  She's certainly leagues worse than solo Alice, who at the very least can actually kill shit.

Also also, the worst overall shottype is definitely PCB SakuyaA, because watching replays of people using her is almost always horrifically boring. :V

[Tsym]

Best - SA Reimu A.  It's probably because every other option in that game sucks so hard.
Worst - There's just too many...

[AlexX Unlimited]

Am I the only one who doesn't think Marisa C SA isn't as bad as Reimu B SA? The bomb makes it perfect for practicing spellcards, doesn't have any damage loss between 3.00 and 4.00 power (which means its practically made for trying to improve with), and is one of the few bombs that legitimately clears the screen of bullets.

Reimu B's bomb is okay, but the revenge shots aren't too good, the default shots are weak and don't home in well, and if you're good at grazing the autocollect isn't that big an advantage.

[canobiecrazy]

EoSD- Best- Marisa A-Trees.
         Worst-N/A
PCB-   Best- Reimu B
         Worst- Sakuya B
IN-     Best- Yukari
         Worst-Alice
MoF-  Best- Marisa C
        Worst- Reimu A
SA-   Best- Reimu B Homing AND Piercing
        Worst- Reimu C Goddamned hard to use.
UFO- Best-   Sanae A
        Worst- Reimu B

[nintendonut888]

SA Reimu A is the best shot type in the game, but the fact that her bomb is a SA bomb and therefore sucks makes her not the best shot type in the series by a long shot.

Also I don't like SA Reimu B but somehow in my run to unlock stage 4 for stage practice I made it all the way to Orin. o_O

[Zengar Zombolt]

Am I the only one who doesn't think Marisa C SA isn't as bad as Reimu B SA?

The piercing, brah. It can kill legions.

[Matsuri]

SA Reimu A's bomb is awesome if you play for score.  :V

[ebarrett]

SA Reimu A's bomb is awesome for every purpose.  :V

Fixed.

Also, I cleared Phantasm on my first time ever seeing the stage with SakuyaB so my vote goes there even if I prefer ReimuB - SakuyaB's shot is still superior, but Reimu's smoother movements and smaller hitbox make up for it, and the shot is decent enough. WELL LET'S CALL IT A TIE THEN

Worst shottype in the series is probably certainly IN solo Sakuya.

[Aisha]

Does MoF MarisaB count when playing for survival?

[Tarquinius]

My opinion is that Sakuya B is the best shot type in the entire series - excellent bombs, foward focus when focused, and excellent range when unfocused. Worst would probably be all of the SA shottypes except Reimu A and possibly Marisa B.

[Sen]

Ah, I forgot about IN Solo Sakuya, derp. Also forgot how great Alice is for IN Extra, herpaderpderp :V


Also I don't really think SA MarisaC is that bad. The problem is that she's basically a poor-man's ReimuA, which is leagues better than every other shot in the game.

[Slaves]

i think what makes SA Reimu A one of the better shottypes is her border thing. really useful at times.

and because the shiki patch

[Sodium]

MoF Marisa C for worst. MoF Marisa C would have been so much better if the options didn't stick for a couple of seconds every time you pressed focus and let go. If it worked like Remilia's options do, it would be great.

...You do realize that MarisaC would be worthless if the options immediately went back to Marisa every unfocus right? I can prove this with a single card: VoWG. Enjoy either focusing the whole time or doing half damage the whole time. Then there's how there's the unfocus-focus movement for quickly moving across the screen while keeping the options at strategic locations(Stage 6 is trivialized with MarisaC). And it's the most powerful shot type in the game barring MarisaBugged and ReimuC shotgun. The MoF Demo actually had Marisa's options instantly going back to her when unfocused.

Basically, MarisaC is actually one of the best shot types.

Best ones:
LLS MarisaA: It's slightly weaker then MarisaBugged, and has spread. It's also legal, and no need to unfocus for it's RAW POWER. =V
MoF MarisaC: Extreme versatility. High Damage.
SA ReimuA: High Damage, Graze Bomb. Good Enough for SA's stages.
UFO SanaeB: High Damage, Awesome (and Graze) Bomb, Spread, Splash
PCB SakuyaB: I'm pretty sure this shot type has great potential or something. Powerful, versatile.

Worst ones:
SA ReimuB: Isn't it sad, Suika? ;_; The wisps are too drunk to home until they hit something, and then it still can't home. Weak too, which is weird for an oni.
SA MarisaC: Great for survival, except ReimuA has much more attack for slightly less survival ability, and more spread too.
MoF ReimuC: It's basically PCB/EoSD Needles Reimu unfocused, but without the ability to focus, and even crappier far away damage and spread. So great shotgunning power. And that's it. In a game with little opportunities to shotgun.
IN Magic Team: Marisa and Alice as a Team frankly sucks. Unfocus is more powerful then focus, both aren't even that powerful. Only saving grace is MAlice Cannon.

[Matsuri]

It works just fine with Remilia in IN. I don't see why I'd have that much of a problem with it if Marisa's just acted like hers. After all, VoWG is just one spell card.

[AlexX Unlimited]

The piercing, brah. It can kill legions.

But that apparently "isn't good enough" to count when we're talking about Marisa's lasers in other games... Honestly, the only time I've seen people say piercing counts for anythng is in UFO, and that's only because UFOs tend to get obscured in later levels by swarms of enemes... And Nazrin's final spellcard.

[ebarrett]

It works just fine with Remilia in IN. I don't see why I'd have that much of a problem with it if Marisa's just acted like hers. After all, VoWG is just one spell card.

If Remilia's familiars acted like MarisaC's options, I'd say solo Remilia would be a no-brainer for best shottype  :V

[AlexX Unlimited]

It works just fine with Remilia in IN. I don't see why I'd have that much of a problem with it if Marisa's just acted like hers. After all, VoWG is just one spell card.

Marisa's frost cannons don't have the range of Remilia's bats(?) though... If you dropped Remilia's options on the bottom of the screen they could still hit the boss. Do that with Marisa C and they won't do much other than sit there and look pretty.

[Edible]

MarisaB in MoF before the patch is unquestionably the best shot type. <_<

[Sodium]

It works just fine with Remilia in IN. I don't see why I'd have that much of a problem with it if Marisa's just acted like hers. After all, VoWG is just one spell card.

There's more cards that require the options to stay there while you unfocus and focus quickly, you know. Remilia's worked because the shots reached the top of the screen; MarisaC's are close range.

Cut by two people saying the same thing. Also, the MoF Demo had the options acting like Remilia's, but ZUN changed it. Take that as you will.

Edible: What patch? There hasn't been a patch to fix it, except for the Vsync, but that's not official.

[?q]

So great shotgunning power. And that's it. In a game with little opportunities to shotgun.

Actually, Aya, Kanako, and Suwako are reasonably easy to get to midrange.
Also, the MarisaC hate is unfounded, as even moving bosses can be lured into the frostthrowers for eternal shotgunning.

EoSD - Best is ReimuB; worst is probably MarisA.  I don't see a huge difference in damage versus the lack of range and general Marisaness everyone hates.
PCB - Best is MarisA ReimuB; worst is ReimuA.  ReimuA is miserable in this game.
IN - The correct answer is "Remilia solo", not "Border Team".  The worst is Sakuya solo, who is like PCB ReimuA without the guarantee of doing at least negligible damage at any time.
PoFV - Best is Sikieiki.  Worst is probably Youmu, Aya, or Tewi depending on your reflexes.
MoF - MarisaC is the best, although Reimus A and B are worth mentioning.  MarisA is worst.
SA - ReimuA obviously wins.  ReimuB obviously loses.
UFO - I hate SanaeB but have to go with it as best.  MarisaB is easily the worst unless you're a masochist... or score runner, but I repeat myself.

SoEW - I like ReimuC best, but I'm told it's too slow for Hard/Lunatic.  ReimuA is definitely worst though.
PoDD - Best is Yumemi, worst is Kana.
LLS - Best is MarisA, worst is ReimuB.
MS - Best is Mima, worst is Yuka IMHO.

Best in series:  PCB MarisaB SA ReimuA.
Worst in series:  SA ReimuB, although SA ReimuC has that certain hate factor going for it.

[Edible]

SA Reimu A is hax.  Was even more hax when you could clear entire stages by gapping off the screen.

[nintendonut888]

Marisa A in EoSD actually has a bomb that isn't a PoS (though I hear it's pro for scoring) and is the only shot type that doesn't need to shotgun to deal maximum damage. That and personally I can't stand Reimu's speed in EoSD and PCB, and I often die simply because I was too slow to evade a bullet. Marisa B is probably the worst shot type in EoSD in the end (even though it was the first I lunatic 1cc'd with) because as fun as Master Spark is, Stardust Reverie can knock out every spell card except Scarlet Meister consistently with one bomb, and anyone saying Marisa B is better than Marisa A in terms of the actual shot are nuts.

And PoDD-wise, I never really rotated much in my lunatic episode except between Reimu and Yumemi, but I'd say logically Ellen is the worst. Slow speed and criminally slow charge speed. She has an above average boss attack, but against the AI all is nothing.

[?q]

*notices that me and donut are arguing about the same thing in different directions re: EoSD shot types*

If you're going to say that charge time is all that matters in PoDD, Rikako is easily the loser.  Her Lv. 1 attack may not even hit things that are directly in its path, plus it takes forever to charge.
I picked Kana because all of her attacks go in straight lines (usually straight down), so they HAVE to swarm you in order to be difficult.

[Sen]

although SA ReimuC has that certain hate factor going for it.

Really? ReimuC's difficult to use (then again, almost every SA shottype is), but she's certainly not the worst. SA ReimuB is horrendous, I will agree on that, though.

[Seian Verian]

Marisa B is probably the worst shot type in EoSD in the end

...What. Alright, first of all, she's the only shot type with piercing, and her damage isn't THAT bad, even with the lasers down. Homing is lolweak, and Marisa B happens to have the best bomb in the game in every way. I suppose that Reimu B and Marisa C's damage might be good enough to outweigh all of Marisa B's beneifits, MAYBE, but... Seriously, she's not as bad as Reimu A <_<