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Re: BDSM con. Discuss.
« Reply #360 on: September 22, 2009, 03:24:38 PM »
TSO:  Your comment about dolling up Trance and having him do things for you is delicious.  That is all I have to say.

Oh, and I guess I am by no means into pain or anything so I'd rather not do that or have anybody do that to me, but less extreme things are fine by me.  Or well, I can't say anything as I am a virgin and have no experience, but this is how I think I feel.

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Re: BDSM con. Discuss.
« Reply #361 on: September 22, 2009, 03:37:29 PM »
I'm just going off the top of my head, but I know that's one definition. I took a gender class a few semesters ago on top of my familiarity with the topic already, but that's definitely one take on gender. In a utopian society where biological sex has absolutely no connection to behavior/sexual practice/etc, gender doesn't exist.

@Shinki: I don't think that makes you a sub, just apathetic. Subs do care about what happens to them, specifically they gain enjoyment from the act of giving up power in some way and submitting to another.
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« Reply #362 on: September 22, 2009, 03:40:58 PM »
Yeah, I know I'm not into pain or anything. [insert "no pain, no gain" joke here]

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Re: BDSM con. Discuss.
« Reply #363 on: September 22, 2009, 03:43:31 PM »
I'm just going off the top of my head, but I know that's one definition. I took a gender class a few semesters ago on top of my familiarity with the topic already, but that's definitely one take on gender. In a utopian society where biological sex has absolutely no connection to behavior/sexual practice/etc, gender doesn't exist.

@Shinki: I don't think that makes you a sub, just apathetic. Subs do care about what happens to them, specifically they gain enjoyment from the act of giving up power in some way and submitting to another.

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Re: BDSM con. Discuss.
« Reply #364 on: September 22, 2009, 03:50:29 PM »
There's the physical gender you have and the gender identity you feel you carry.

Example: though I, like all Touhou fans, wish to be the little girl, I'm content with just looking at womens' outfits and finding them attractive or cute (ask triangles, I have a huge thing for China because of her dress and Reimu's sleeves are awesome) but I have no desire to wear the clothes or carry a feminine gender.  Blatantly stealing Keynes' scale of sexuality to adapt to gender, I'd put myself at 90% male, 10% female on a liberal estimate.

I do have one friend who is going through gender reassignment, male to female.  It's not easy on her; I thought she was a guy when I first met her months before she was on the hormone therapy, despite a feminine face and hair.  The second time we ran into each other was about 8 months later, and she definitely had breasts growing, she was wearing some makeup, and I knew firmly that she was a she. 

Our mutual friend has told me about some of the stuff she's had to deal with.  We're just careful with our pronouns around her.  She's kinda upset that more people don't notice but I think she understands that not everyone notices initially. 

I do support her decision, though, and while I'm secure in my gender and sexuality I personally see nothing wrong with questioning and exploring one's given physical and mental gender.

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Re: BDSM con. Discuss.
« Reply #365 on: September 22, 2009, 03:51:55 PM »
...I kinda hate it when a thread explodes like this when I'm away... It makes me think I've missed something... Sigh.

Anyway...

I guess I'm somewhat sadomasochistic.  I don't really like the idea of some of the more, um, extreme stuff out there, but I like stuff like biting, scratching and bondage~  Among other things.  Also, I'm sub towards women and dom towards men.  I just feel that men need to be, um, subdued, if you get where I'm going, and, um... Yeah.
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Re: BDSM con. Discuss.
« Reply #366 on: September 22, 2009, 03:53:44 PM »
I realize the sub has the power...and I don't want it. But, I do my best to limit my power as best I can, though even in the decision process I exert a little of that power in picking a master.

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To me, restraint and punishment is fun, but the real heart of the dynamic is emotional - playing on and with the sub's eagerness to please. Verbal "abuse" is a part of that. Consider it consentual manipulation. Playing on a sub's psychological weak points to bring on that sweet humiliation but, again, staying on and pushing against boundaries without crossing them. Done right it's ecstatic, but it takes real honesty to build it.

And yes...this is basically the complete right of it ^-^. I love being humiliated...it's one of the few things that can bring me to tears.

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Speaking for myself, as a dom I'm not much for inflicting a great deal of pain, either. Restraint, slapping, spanking - all fine. I really think "verbal abuse" and other psychological forms of domination can bring on a far sweeter humiliation than strikes with a leather strap. But again, it depends on the preferences of both the sub and the dom/me - I wouldn't be too concerned that you don't accommodate your domme enough. As the sub, you define the limits and she, as a responsible domme, must respect them. If she's committed to you then she must be satisfied with your service. Although I admire your striving for perfection in that regard; all good subs and dom/mes should.

Yes...well...I do try to be the perfect sub as best I can. I enjoy pain a lot, but I also enjoy verbal abuse and humiliation and the like...really...I can meld to most reasonable things a dom would want from me. Of course, my definition of reasonable can stretch the term quite a bit. I mostly don't go to the crazy extremes (permanent injury, scat, furry, etc.) Of course, being inexperienced I don't know everything I will or won't do yet.

You sound very committed and have a good sense of will's and wont's, even if you are just starting out. I have a feeling that with time you'll only get better.

I once knew a girl who described herself as a "high maintenance sub", as in, she was very skilled and committed, but had very high standards when it came to doms. This was the most crucial thing. I think this is probably the smartest way to go, and it seems you have your standards more or less in order. Good on you for coming to this now, and not like ten or twenty years down the road.

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Re: BDSM con. Discuss.
« Reply #367 on: September 22, 2009, 03:56:58 PM »
I realize the sub has the power...and I don't want it. But, I do my best to limit my power as best I can, though even in the decision process I exert a little of that power in picking a master.

Quote from: Tengukami
To me, restraint and punishment is fun, but the real heart of the dynamic is emotional - playing on and with the sub's eagerness to please. Verbal "abuse" is a part of that. Consider it consentual manipulation. Playing on a sub's psychological weak points to bring on that sweet humiliation but, again, staying on and pushing against boundaries without crossing them. Done right it's ecstatic, but it takes real honesty to build it.

And yes...this is basically the complete right of it ^-^. I love being humiliated...it's one of the few things that can bring me to tears.

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Speaking for myself, as a dom I'm not much for inflicting a great deal of pain, either. Restraint, slapping, spanking - all fine. I really think "verbal abuse" and other psychological forms of domination can bring on a far sweeter humiliation than strikes with a leather strap. But again, it depends on the preferences of both the sub and the dom/me - I wouldn't be too concerned that you don't accommodate your domme enough. As the sub, you define the limits and she, as a responsible domme, must respect them. If she's committed to you then she must be satisfied with your service. Although I admire your striving for perfection in that regard; all good subs and dom/mes should.

Yes...well...I do try to be the perfect sub as best I can. I enjoy pain a lot, but I also enjoy verbal abuse and humiliation and the like...really...I can meld to most reasonable things a dom would want from me. Of course, my definition of reasonable can stretch the term quite a bit. I mostly don't go to the crazy extremes (permanent injury, scat, furry, etc.) Of course, being inexperienced I don't know everything I will or won't do yet.

You sound very committed and have a good sense of will's and wont's, even if you are just starting out. I have a feeling that with time you'll only get better.

I once knew a girl who described herself as a "high maintenance sub", as in, she was very skilled and committed, but had very high standards when it came to doms. This was the most crucial thing. I think this is probably the smartest way to go, and it seems you have your standards more or less in order. Good on you for coming to this now, and not like ten or twenty years down the road.

Thanks. Well...I'm beginning to realize what I look for in a dom, and as it crystalizes more I'll feel more comfortable about embarking on the search for the perfect owner ^-^

Well, as perfect as a person can be, which is far from ^-^

I've been told I have a natural grasp of submission...which was quite flattering.


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Re: BDSM con. Discuss.
« Reply #368 on: September 22, 2009, 04:01:45 PM »
I've been told I have a natural grasp of submission...which was quite flattering.

:3

When I get tipsy and i'm around the right people.. hoo boy. My friend's dom doesn't even dom men, and he said I have a dangerous amount of submissive energy radiating out of me. Hah.


... interesting vision involving Okuu just popped into my head after typing that last sentence.
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Re: BDSM con. Discuss.
« Reply #369 on: September 22, 2009, 04:03:01 PM »
I've been told I have a natural grasp of submission...which was quite flattering.

:3

When I get tipsy and i'm around the right people.. hoo boy. My friend's dom doesn't even dom men, and he said I have a danger amount of submissive energy radiating out of me. Hah.


... interesting vision involving Okuu just popped into my head after typing that last sentence.

Haha, nice. That could be fun ^-^.


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« Reply #370 on: September 22, 2009, 04:04:27 PM »
Last night wasn't the best time to try and think on things... I heard a bunch of yelling from the dorms above, and my mind twisted it into some bad stuff. I'm already late for lecture, so maybe I'll pop back in later.

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« Reply #371 on: September 22, 2009, 04:12:48 PM »
@Shinki: I don't think that makes you a sub, just apathetic. Subs do care about what happens to them, specifically they gain enjoyment from the act of giving up power in some way and submitting to another.
Really, now?

I always thought that 'being apathetic' usually deemed you as being submissive (i.e; You don't mind what others to do you = You don't mind being powerless and/or dominanted). I guess I was thinking on more general terms and not sexual ones...or maybe not?...Fuckdamnit, now I went and confused myself...

In anycase, I do understand as to what you were getting at there.

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« Reply #372 on: September 22, 2009, 04:20:08 PM »
Nothing retarded about asking questions and learning. That's pretty much the opposite of retarded.

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« Reply #373 on: September 22, 2009, 04:21:51 PM »
Misconceptions are commonplace; keeping yourself open minded and receptive to new ideas definitely doesn't make you a 'tard. At least in a sexual, BDSM sense, apathy doesn't fall into the definition of submissive. Outside of that context, I think passive is a better descriptor than submissive.
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« Reply #374 on: September 22, 2009, 05:59:21 PM »
Pain is okay, in moderation.

at least I think it would be...

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« Reply #375 on: September 22, 2009, 07:39:29 PM »
Oh how I would love to get in on this dom/sub thing.  If only I weren't so socially crippled.  I hate these irrational anxieties of mine.  :(

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« Reply #376 on: September 22, 2009, 07:41:51 PM »
Oh how I would love to get in on this dom/sub thing.  If only I weren't so socially crippled.  I hate these irrational anxieties of mine.  :(

It's awful, isn't it? :(

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« Reply #377 on: September 22, 2009, 07:47:01 PM »
I heard a bunch of yelling from the dorms above, and my mind twisted it into some bad stuff.

I have time now, and I learned the truth on it during the day, so I guess I'll clarify on this.

It would appear that there was a party in the dorm upstairs, but the walls and ceilings are pretty solid, so it's usually not a big problem. However, I was alone and getting to sleep (my roomies were in the other room), so it was near silent when I heard yelling from upstairs. Somehow, I heard all sorts of vulgarities, including, "Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!... Fuck his ass! Fuck his ass!..." over and over again. It took a while for me to fall asleep after that.

Today, I heard in passing about this party while at lunch... Apparently, a bunch of drunk guys were pretending to film a gay porn movie.

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« Reply #378 on: September 22, 2009, 07:47:24 PM »
Oh how I would love to get in on this dom/sub thing.  If only I weren't so socially crippled.  I hate these irrational anxieties of mine.  :(

Dom/sub isn't something you just "get in on". It's an important decision to be made after lengthy consideration with a person you love very much. I've been doing introspection ever since the idea first popped up in this topic and I have yet to find circumstances under which I'm sure I'd go through with either side (most likely dom, my temper is not one for sub).
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« Reply #379 on: September 22, 2009, 07:53:14 PM »
It's like any other sexual preference - you just know, usually from a young age. For me I had some idea when I was about 12, based mostly on things that used to excite me with regards to girls. But I knew for sure I was a dom when I was 15, after my girlfriend and I tried something together and it was like ... this door in my head opened up, and I was filled with sunlight, and I thought, "Wow, this is it. This is what I've been looking for." It was a quasi-religious experience, really. There was no turning back from there. Once you learn the truth about yourself you can't ignore it.

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« Reply #380 on: September 22, 2009, 07:55:45 PM »
What happened here.



Also, my ex won't be with anyone other than me because I "hit him right". And it's like, I just hit him to be a bitch. I don't get him.

I'd rather be dom'd than be a dom myself. It's weird.
This is coming from someone who's fantasized about being raped. I shit you not.

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« Reply #381 on: September 22, 2009, 07:57:21 PM »
This is coming from someone who's fantasized about being raped. I shit you not.

You might be happy to learn this is more common than you think.

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« Reply #382 on: September 22, 2009, 07:57:48 PM »
Thank god. I'm glad it's not just me.

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« Reply #383 on: September 22, 2009, 07:58:24 PM »
What happened here.



Also, my ex won't be with anyone other than me because I "hit him right". And it's like, I just hit him to be a bitch. I don't get him.



Some people truly have a liking for the tsundere personality type outside of anime. :3

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« Reply #384 on: September 22, 2009, 07:58:52 PM »
This is coming from someone who's fantasized about being raped. I shit you not.

You might be happy to learn this is more common than you think.

Yeah. It's kinda weird that it's like that, yet at the same time... It's sort of unsurprising in all honesty considering how strange people can be sometimes.
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« Reply #385 on: September 22, 2009, 08:02:48 PM »
Thank god. I'm glad it's not just me.

Yeah. Of course none of these people would actually enjoy being raped. That's ludicrous. But rape fantasies are a common surrender/submission scenario, because it's one of the ultimate surrenders of willpower.

That's the good thing about fantasies - in the end, you call the shots with regards to what happens.

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« Reply #386 on: September 22, 2009, 08:07:39 PM »
ATTN: I guess I really am tsundere. It would explain a LOT.

Regarding rapans,
And I'd rather just fantasize about it. I can't imagine what would happen if it really did. D:

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« Reply #387 on: September 22, 2009, 08:09:09 PM »
You're only tsundere if you show them the dere~

Rape is bad. After that scenario last night, I can honestly say I'll never have such a fantasy... Even if a woman tried it, I'd be scarred for life. Again, I guess it's just that I can't equate pain with pleasure, and rape of any kind seems painful...

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« Reply #388 on: September 22, 2009, 08:10:13 PM »
I'm only dere if, like, I want something.

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« Reply #389 on: September 22, 2009, 08:10:54 PM »
Well yeah. Some who have rape fantasies only go so far as online or real life roleplaying, most not even that much. The moment you cross over into "wanting to be raped", the definition is negated, because you can't by definition want rape - it just becomes violent consensual sex.

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