This thread started out as halloween then BDSM then gendertalk then states

[Dragoshi]

I... have no preference really. Well, no preference known to myself as I have the social life of a corpse, but. :V

[Jana]

I... have no preference really. Well, no preference known to myself as I have the social life of a corpse, but. :V

You're one of the younger guys though, right? I took a long time getting around to it, and I always thought I'd be more submissive until I actually got in bed (as did my partner~). It just means that you never really know until it happens... So don't worry about it!

[UncertainJakutten]

Oddly enough getting in bed with a guy that way only confirmed my submission for me. Then again, I had experimented by giving others control of my...um...sessions with myself.

[Dragoshi]

I... have no preference really. Well, no preference known to myself as I have the social life of a corpse, but. :V

You're one of the younger guys though, right? I took a long time getting around to it, and I always thought I'd be more submissive until I actually got in bed (as did my partner~). It just means that you never really know until it happens... So don't worry about it!

Yeah, I pretty much am. Though not the youngest. Turning 18 in November. :x Though, uh. Thanks for the advice.

Oddly enough getting in bed with a guy that way only confirmed my submission for me. Then again, I had experimented by giving others control of my...um...sessions with myself.

That sounds like it must've been a rather interesting experience. The experiment, I mean.

[Jana]

Oddly enough getting in bed with a guy that way only confirmed my submission for me. Then again, I had experimented by giving others control of my...um...sessions with myself.

It really is more fun that way, isn't it~? But, um... Maybe I've just gotten too confused by the rest of the discussion, but I missed the meaning of that last bit... You let someone steer you while self-pleasuring?

Cut by Dragoshi: I was about 18 when I started too, so it's all good~

[Nietz]

Um... I'm a guy, so I dunno how well it applies to me, but I sort of like feeling objectified. It makes my subtle top-game more satisfying when it's unexpected.

I think male objectification is great if only because it goes against old society beliefs. But on the personal level it doesn't really matter what gender is playing the object part.

[Jana]

I think male objectification is great if only because it goes against old society beliefs. But on the personal level it doesn't really matter what gender is playing the object part.

Oh, hey there, Nietz. Yeah, it's kind of a long story, but my girlfriend at the time was the one who had a crush on me and asked me out, and when we got that far, it was still me feeling a bit objectified. Of course, things evenned out eventually during the crux of the deal, and even though we're not together now, I still learned a lot from the experience.

[dustyjo]

I had experimented by giving others control of my...um...sessions with myself.

That sounds like fun~

[UncertainJakutten]

Oddly enough getting in bed with a guy that way only confirmed my submission for me. Then again, I had experimented by giving others control of my...um...sessions with myself.

It really is more fun that way, isn't it~? But, um... Maybe I've just gotten too confused by the rest of the discussion, but I missed the meaning of that last bit... You let someone steer you while self-pleasuring?

Cut by Dragoshi: I was about 18 when I started too, so it's all good~

Several people. It was a group effort, aided by the intarwebs.

That sounds like it must've been a rather interesting experience. The experiment, I mean.

It was

That sounds like fun~

It is.

[Jana]

That's so... I don't even know how describe it. Self-pleasuring is something I can only do when I'm totally alone, and even then, it's sort of disgusting to me... I won't go into detail, because I'm sure no one really wants to know, but... It's kinda squicky for me to think about myself in that situation.

Then again, being the woman-lover that I am, maybe I wouldn't feel so bad about it if I actually had women's equipment. It's a weird double-standard in the end, I guess.

[UncertainJakutten]

That's so... I don't even know how describe it. Self-pleasuring is something I can only do when I'm totally alone, and even then, it's sort of disgusting to me... I won't go into detail, because I'm sure no one really wants to know, but... It's kinda squicky for me to think about myself in that situation.

Then again, being the woman-lover that I am, maybe I wouldn't feel so bad about it if I actually had women's equipment. It's a weird double-standard in the end, I guess.

Ah, someone wants to be the little girl ?

[Nietz]

Oh, hey there, Nietz. Yeah, it's kind of a long story, but my girlfriend at the time was the one who had a crush on me and asked me out, and when we got that far, it was still me feeling a bit objectified. Of course, things evenned out eventually during the crux of the deal, and even though we're not together now, I still learned a lot from the experience.

Reminds me of my last girlfriend. Except things didn't go as well because she was submissive as hell, and I just didn't know how to deal with that. 

Several people. It was a group effort, aided by the intarwebs.

Idea for new MMO.

Ah, someone wants to be the little girl ?

All Touhou fans secretly (or openly) want to be the little girl.

[Jana]

Eheheheh... Well, it's something I've talked about here in the past (back with TSO... I don't really remember if anyone else was there). It's more out of a "I like women so much that it'd be cool if I were one too" kind of thing than a true "I feel as though I was born into the wrong gender." Comparing my more perverse feelings to someone else who genuinely feels like they're in the wrong gender makes me feel selfish.

Cut by Nietz:

...Before it turns into a dating history thread, I'll just say that either extreme is probably bad, but it's even worse when you don't even know anymore... The last few weeks of that relationship were particularly strange.

Idea for new MMO.

Pffffffffft-

Oh, and I was already weirdly perverse before Touhou, although it probably didn't really help matters.

[UncertainJakutten]

Eheheheh... Well, it's something I've talked about here in the past (back with TSO... I don't really remember if anyone else was there). It's more out of a "I like women so much that it'd be cool if I were one too" kind of thing than a true "I feel as though I was born into the wrong gender." Comparing my more perverse feelings to someone else who genuinely feels like they're in the wrong gender makes me feel selfish.

Now now, don't prove the autogynephilia theory right! That's horrible .

[Jana]

I know, I know... I told you, it makes me feel selfish...

When I talked to TSO about it and he told me about his own feelings on it, I felt that it should really be two separate things. One for a person like me, with those feeling stemming from a perverse desire and likely little to no biological imbalances, and one for someone who may really have a hormonal imbalance.... It's funny to think about again, actually.

[Nobu]

I openly wants to be the little girl. Wee~ I can be both though. I'm bigendered.

UK, that sounds like fun. I've done something along those lines long ago.

[Jana]

Um, sorry if I'm prying, but how do you mean bigendered? I've met a few people who identify as bigendered through gay-straight alliance programs in the past, but it's something I've never really had the guts to ask someone face-to-face.

Again, sorry if it's too personal. Feel free to just tell me off on it.

[UncertainJakutten]

I openly wants to be the little girl. Wee~ I can be both though. I'm bigendered.

UK, that sounds like fun. I've done something along those lines long ago.

A very vexing nonbinary. I've had experience with it actually.

[Bias Bus]

Ah, someone wants to be the little girl ?

All Touhou fans secretly (or openly) want to be the little girl.

I was about to disagree with you and say that I didn't.

But I realized I do often wonder what it would have been like if I were a woman.

...Then I realize I'm lucky just being a guy.

[Nobu]

Haha, it's cool, it's cool. It's probably the best description I could give myself at the moment. I feel that my gender identity fluxuates between male and female, and sometimes is a hybrid depending on my mood. I'm not a transsexual because I don't hate being a guy and I wouldn't go to great lengths to become complete woman, but I think I would have liked it better as a female. I kinda occupy the happy medium right now.

[UncertainJakutten]

Haha, it's cool, it's cool. It's probably the best description I could give myself at the moment. I feel that my gender identity fluxuates between male and female, and sometimes is a hybrid depending on my mood. I'm not a transsexual because I don't hate being a guy and I wouldn't go to great lengths to become complete woman, but I think I would have liked it better as a female. I kinda occupy the happy medium right now.

Sounds more gender fluid to me, but labels are meaningless really. You are who you are .

[Jana]

@Nobu: Oh, I think I can understand a bit better... Maybe I'm not quite there, but I can sort of identify with that. It's another one of those things I've always thought I've had figured out, but never really have.

@Shinki Bus: Not being normal myself, I dunno how I can be sure, but I've had the feeling that most straight guys have wondered that at some point.

[Nobu]

Yeah, it's probably more gender fluid. ^^ But yeah, you're right. The labels are really meaningless, I know what I am.

[UncertainJakutten]

Yeah, it's probably more gender fluid. ^^ But yeah, you're right. The labels are really meaningless, I know what I am.

Though, do you consider it tougher or easier than the binary trans identities? On the one hand, it costs a lot more because of the options available to MtFs and FtMs, but on the other hand, they can, for the most part, realize their identities on the outside.

[Nobu]

Hmm... I think it's not strictly tougher or easier. Sure, you have the option of making a complete transition and achieving unity of body and soul, but it's a rocky path and can still result in trouble post-transition. And for people like me, it's sometimes difficult to tread the middle road because the polarized groups will want you to choose one side, but there isn't as much dissonance having to live as a male or female, because you partially identify with that role.

My ideal state would probably be one of full androgyny, so I can express one gender or the other, or neither at all, depending on how I feel at the time. I'm not really masculine in looks, but i'm a little more masculine than I prefer.

[Jana]

Funny how a bunch of people seem to be reading the topic, but only a few of us are posting... Maybe they're all catching up?

Anyway, I'm fairly sure that I'll be staying a full-fledged male for the rest of forever. My desire to switch is kind of selfish, and if I did go through with it, I'd probably end up feeling bad about it afterward. Besides, I definitely can't pay for those surgical procedures... It's good that you know exactly what you want and what you're comfortable with. That fear of post-transition trouble isn't the only thing holding me back, but it's one of the bigger things.

[Kilgamayan]

Funny how a bunch of people seem to be reading the topic, but only a few of us are posting... Maybe they're all catching up?

Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not posting because I have nothing to contribute. This is simply fascinating reading material.

[helvetica]

Did someone say BDSM Con?

[Hello Purvis]

I don't mind saying that those boots are pretty fuckin' hoss.

[Dragoshi]

Funny how a bunch of people seem to be reading the topic, but only a few of us are posting... Maybe they're all catching up?

Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not posting because I have nothing to contribute. This is simply fascinating reading material.

Yeah, this is pretty much my reason for the lack of posting as well. :x