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My first lunatic 1cc
Mikuru:
--- Quote from: Dreamleaf on April 26, 2019, 10:06:06 PM ---The one advantage to learning without focus is once you do finally have it you notice a sudden and immediate jump in what you're able to do which can really help a lot with the confidence. It's almost like going from Lunatic to Normal mode where everything just feels so much easier to manage, plus it makes going to games like 6 and lower without it less jarring
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Touhou 6 (EoSD) does have focus; it just doesn't show your hitbox.
I agree with your main point, though. A good way to make progress is to spend some time playing above your target difficulty, whether it's literally by choosing the next difficulty up, or adding conditions like no-focus. Increasing the fps is a very good way to improve your overall skill.
Sadly I'm very busy with my course at the moment so I don't have time to practice right now, but in the summer I will absolutely be going for my first Lunatic 1cc :) It's been a long journey to get this far, but I know I can do it.
Dreamleaf:
--- Quote from: Lunatic_Reimu on April 27, 2019, 12:22:57 PM ---Just a small note on the inconsistency you felt in the difficulty for Touhou 9, I haven't played Touhou 9, but I did play Touhou 3 which uses a very similar system, and yes, there are huge discrepancies in the difficulty depending on which characters you use. The AI definitely has a harder time dodging certain character's attacks over others'. I also agree with CrestedPeak9's statement about the timer and the final boss very rarely dieing on her first life, I also think she has an infinite timer on her first life. For her later lives, there is a certain 'invincibility period' so to speak till a part of the timer runs out before the final boss starts taking hits/using bombs, no matter what you throw at her she'll power through it, unless you REALLY manage to get her into a corner where it's practically impossible to dodge.
Oh yes definitely, starting off playing with no focus will make it way easier once you discover a focus mode exists. Focus really is a blessing for the added control it gives. Focus was introduced in Touhou 4, which is what makes Touhou 3 so damn difficult. Haha no worries about not realizing there's a focus mode, I've read a thread before where someone else had the same issue, so you're not the first to make that mistake :P Shame to hear you had a similar experience with Ten Desires' Ghost Realm/Trance mode. Best advice I can give is to make sure to read the Touhou wiki page for each game before starting it. The Gameplay section shows all the available controls for the game, so this should prevent any further mistakes like this in the future :)
Exactly, couldn't have worded it any better myself :) Keep at it till you find the sweet spot you're comfy with, but not too comfy that it becomes easy/not challenging. My sweet spot is No Bombs, and Perfect Stage Practice just to give you an idea or suggestion :) Hopefully in the future after lots of experience with the Touhou universe, I'll be able to hit a full Perfect Lunatic run (looks insane though from what I've seen on Youtube, hats off to those that manage such an incredible feat!!!), or better yet, Pacifist!! xD So beautiful taking out a boss without even attacking :) Only a dream for now I reckon though (although I never tried to be honest).
Damn, that's insane, never heard of a 'no moving' 1cc. I'm assuming he just takes small steps when necessary to be able to dodge correct? Just making sure, we are talking about Lunatic yeah for the no moving 1cc? Indeed about 'no correct way to play the game,', everyone plays the game how they see fit and how they like to play. Some play for score, others for survival, others without focus, whatever floats that person's boat I guess :) Yes definitely good having an open mind and especially a willingness to push yourself, that's what makes you get better in the end :)
Haha if you really want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes, start discovering the secondary Touhou fanbase (i.e. art, music arranges by various doujin circles, and most notably, the fan games). You'll be lost forever once you go down that hole, there's sooooo much to see! Believe me I've spent countless hundreds of hours viewing different Touhou art, sampling so many different arranges, and discovering new fan games (most notably the Touhoumon games in my opinion, check these out if you haven't, they're brilliant, especially if you were a Pokemon fan when you were younger)). It really is such a marvelous and huge universe with such a dedicated fan base, that you could literally go Touhou-exclusive and never look back :) (I know I did).
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I've learned a lot since those mistakes and thankfully many of the later games included an in game manual that I got in the habit of checking out and reading just to get an idea of early mechanics. It's just funny looking back now and remember trying to learn everything on my own X3
I have gone into some of the fanbase stuff a little bit. The artwork is part of what pushed me to want to try the series out originally too because I was blown away by how amazing some of the stuff people made for this series was. People don't go that far to express their love for a series unless there's a good reason for it and I wanted to understand why. Also I should note that probably 70% of the music I've listened to in the last 6 or so months is pretty much various Touhou music. There's stupid amounts of remixes/covers/remasters and such out there and so much of it is amazing so I completely get what you mean. A lot of my free time that isn't spent playing the games is spent looking for Touhou art while listening to Touhou music :D I already have a physical collection of Touhou art books (mostly from Miyuki Ruria) already so that should probably tell you something XD
The only fangame I've played so far was Luna Nights and that was an extremely solid metroidvania (I play a lot within that genre too) so I wouldn't mind checking out some of the other stuff too. I'll definitely take a look at the Pokemon one eventually too!
--- Quote from: Mikuru on April 27, 2019, 03:06:08 PM ---Touhou 6 (EoSD) does have focus; it just doesn't show your hitbox.
I agree with your main point, though. A good way to make progress is to spend some time playing above your target difficulty, whether it's literally by choosing the next difficulty up, or adding conditions like no-focus. Increasing the fps is a very good way to improve your overall skill.
Sadly I'm very busy with my course at the moment so I don't have time to practice right now, but in the summer I will absolutely be going for my first Lunatic 1cc :) It's been a long journey to get this far, but I know I can do it.
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Sorry that's what I meant. Not having focus would be way worse then just not having the hitbox showing. Not having the hitbox can definitely still throw me off though.
And good luck with your first lunatic 1cc! You can do it :) Do you know yet which game you will be attempting to do it on?
Lunatic_Reimu:
--- Quote from: Dreamleaf on April 27, 2019, 07:53:30 PM ---I've learned a lot since those mistakes and thankfully many of the later games included an in game manual that I got in the habit of checking out and reading just to get an idea of early mechanics. It's just funny looking back now and remember trying to learn everything on my own X3
I have gone into some of the fanbase stuff a little bit. The artwork is part of what pushed me to want to try the series out originally too because I was blown away by how amazing some of the stuff people made for this series was. People don't go that far to express their love for a series unless there's a good reason for it and I wanted to understand why. Also I should note that probably 70% of the music I've listened to in the last 6 or so months is pretty much various Touhou music. There's stupid amounts of remixes/covers/remasters and such out there and so much of it is amazing so I completely get what you mean. A lot of my free time that isn't spent playing the games is spent looking for Touhou art while listening to Touhou music :D I already have a physical collection of Touhou art books (mostly from Miyuki Ruria) already so that should probably tell you something XD
The only fangame I've played so far was Luna Nights and that was an extremely solid metroidvania (I play a lot within that genre too) so I wouldn't mind checking out some of the other stuff too. I'll definitely take a look at the Pokemon one eventually too!
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Glad to hear that, avoids more ?silly? mistakes in the future :) Hahaha yeah it is funny looking back at when you started, it's not an easy road, but you become a completely different player as more time passes and you get used to the series :)
Ahh that?s awesome that you?re already experiencing the wonderful world the fanbase has to offer :D You could tell that so much love and dedication goes into the art, arranges and fan games, so it is definitely something worth checking out, makes the Touhou universe so much more magical xD Keep it up with the music listening and the art, they?re all little things which suck you into the series so much more! I love seeing images of say Reimu relaxing at the shrine with the beautiful Gensokyo in the background, or like the Touhou 6 cast just loafing around with Sakuya serving tea to Remilia while Meiling is taking care of Flandre for example. Little things like these but they add more character to each character I guess, rather than just a sprite that?s shooting bullets at you. I actually wish to start drawing myself, I have lots of ideas/memorable moments from the Touhou games I played which I?d like to bring to life, but time is really an issue unfortunately, and I?m already extremely busy as is just keeping up with everything, let alone learning Photoshop from scratch, or whatever program these artists use to draw. Maybe sometime in the future when life isn?t so hectic? Oh yes, definitely agree with you there on ?stupid amounts? of fan content, it never ends! I?ve spent more time searching around the fanbase than actually playing just to give you an idea of how much stuff there is!!! I?ll check out Miyuki Ruria, always nice discovering a new artist :)
I?ve heard of Luna Nights but didn?t try it out yet, Metroidvania style gameplay is fun, I?ll definitely add it to my list to check out :) Oh yes you definitely should, the Touhoumon ROM hacks by Aichiya Sanae are literally amazing, with so much extra content and difficulty which wasn?t present in the actual Pokemon games. You even go to Gensokyo as a world in one of them (it?s called Touhoumon Another World), with the Scarlet Devil Mansion, Makai, Human Village, Hakurei Shrine, etc as locations apart from the Pokemon worlds (Kanto/Johto), and also have arranges of the Touhou music done with Gameboy Advance instruments :) Lots of love went into those games, with each game spanning close to or more than 100 hours if you want to literally do everything in the game (i.e. fight everyone, rematch the Elite 4 and the gym leaders for their stronger teams, catch and evolve all the characters, etc).
Dreamleaf:
--- Quote from: Lunatic_Reimu on April 29, 2019, 01:10:03 PM ---Glad to hear that, avoids more ?silly? mistakes in the future :) Hahaha yeah it is funny looking back at when you started, it's not an easy road, but you become a completely different player as more time passes and you get used to the series :)
Ahh that?s awesome that you?re already experiencing the wonderful world the fanbase has to offer :D You could tell that so much love and dedication goes into the art, arranges and fan games, so it is definitely something worth checking out, makes the Touhou universe so much more magical xD Keep it up with the music listening and the art, they?re all little things which suck you into the series so much more! I love seeing images of say Reimu relaxing at the shrine with the beautiful Gensokyo in the background, or like the Touhou 6 cast just loafing around with Sakuya serving tea to Remilia while Meiling is taking care of Flandre for example. Little things like these but they add more character to each character I guess, rather than just a sprite that?s shooting bullets at you. I actually wish to start drawing myself, I have lots of ideas/memorable moments from the Touhou games I played which I?d like to bring to life, but time is really an issue unfortunately, and I?m already extremely busy as is just keeping up with everything, let alone learning Photoshop from scratch, or whatever program these artists use to draw. Maybe sometime in the future when life isn?t so hectic? Oh yes, definitely agree with you there on ?stupid amounts? of fan content, it never ends! I?ve spent more time searching around the fanbase than actually playing just to give you an idea of how much stuff there is!!! I?ll check out Miyuki Ruria, always nice discovering a new artist :)
I?ve heard of Luna Nights but didn?t try it out yet, Metroidvania style gameplay is fun, I?ll definitely add it to my list to check out :) Oh yes you definitely should, the Touhoumon ROM hacks by Aichiya Sanae are literally amazing, with so much extra content and difficulty which wasn?t present in the actual Pokemon games. You even go to Gensokyo as a world in one of them (it?s called Touhoumon Another World), with the Scarlet Devil Mansion, Makai, Human Village, Hakurei Shrine, etc as locations apart from the Pokemon worlds (Kanto/Johto), and also have arranges of the Touhou music done with Gameboy Advance instruments :) Lots of love went into those games, with each game spanning close to or more than 100 hours if you want to literally do everything in the game (i.e. fight everyone, rematch the Elite 4 and the gym leaders for their stronger teams, catch and evolve all the characters, etc).
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I think it says so much when you see how much passion and love goes into some of these fanworks. I'm right there with you in wanting to learn how to draw so you could bring some of your ideas to life, and also with you in simply not having enough time XD I have way too many hobbies for my own good. Still, even just putting on some Touhou music and looking at some of the art others have made can be a wonderful way to just become immersed in the characters and world. My Touhou wallpaper folder currently has over several thousand images right now and that's just the ones I felt were worth using so I definitely have a sense of what you mean when you mention just how much content is actually out there. Don't even get me started on the music as there is an absolutely insane amount of remixes and covers for this series. Maybe more then I've ever seen 1 single series have.
Oh and just to give you an idea of what Miyuki Ruria's stuff is like:
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=23969348
https://66.media.tumblr.com/5ec834e41176cc2a10acdbb2033484e6/tumblr_pforr4ogbW1xh9o5po1_1280.jpg
I got like 6 of his Touhou art books and trust me when I say I had to bend over to get them but totally worth it XD His work is nothing short of stunning imo. Easily my favorite Touhou artist, although I'll admit there's several others that come pretty close too.
I'll definitely check out the Touhoumon at some point! I didn't even know that was a thing but I can't say I'm surprised either. I swear there's probably enough Touhou content out there to easily last a life time if you wanted. As it is I'm still struggling to get around to playing the fighting and camera game spinoffs as well as reading more of the printed works lol. It doesn't help that I'm such a late comer to this series. It makes me smile knowing that this series which has had such a drastic impact on me is also so loved and appreciated by others too, it absolutely deserves it and it really does make me wish I could find a way to channel and express my love for the series the same way some of these artists and game makers and musicians have.
Mikuru:
--- Quote from: Dreamleaf on April 27, 2019, 07:53:30 PM ---And good luck with your first lunatic 1cc! You can do it :) Do you know yet which game you will be attempting to do it on?
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Mountain of Faith, for several reasons. It was the first Touhou I ever played, and it's still the one I know my way around best. It's the one I'm closest to getting -- I've previously reached the final boss on a credit; my furthest progress in other games is Stage 5 (IN and HSIFS). And I love the music enough to keep me going through the 1cc grind.