Author Topic: Shooter games (Read 156909 times)

Azinth · « **Reply #930 on:** November 26, 2009, 09:11:10 PM »

Quote from: nintendonut888 on November 26, 2009, 05:33:53 PM

Also it's kinda funny how you guys complain about Touhou's scoring being all samey when every Dodonpachi game is about chaining (which IMO is much dumber). And yeah I read the posts before me and am still posting this. :V

Well, if we wanna get technical about it, PCB, MoF, SA, and UFO all kinda have chaining too.

Stage-long, GAME-LONG CHAININ'. D:

Aisha · « **Reply #931 on:** November 27, 2009, 01:31:52 AM »

Quote from: nintendonut888 on November 26, 2009, 05:33:53 PM

Also it's kinda funny how you guys complain about Touhou's scoring being all samey when every Dodonpachi game is about chaining (which IMO is much dumber). And yeah I read the posts before me and am still posting this. :V

Actually, it was just me who was complaining. But really, I was just venting a bit.

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I don't really care about ZUN not changing Touhou much from one game to the other. Just like the Mega Man series, I'm glad ZUN doesn't feel obligated to innovate every game. Why fix something that isn't broken?

I agree that there's nothing wrong with sticking with the same formula, especially if it works. But I also think that there's nothing wrong with being a bit adventurous and trying a different approach.

Anyway, I tried out Eden's Aegis 0.90. Heaven and Hell (suicide bullets~) modes are in, but I don't see the two new characters that x.x hinted at a while back; I'm not sure if they have to be unlocked or if they just haven't been implemented yet. I managed to 1CC Original on my first attempt. x.x apparently felt that it was necessary to add a Wait mode to the game, which actually trivializes everything. It can be disabled, though. The game seems a bit more balanced now, in that I noticed I only received an extend at 7 million and 30 million points, as opposed to one every 7 million like before. This is good, because it discourages suiciding at the beginning of each stage to replenish your bomb stock, since using them didn't, and still doesn't, appear to harm your chain.

Also, the third boss's stupid fork bullets are actually visible now and don't make my eyes water anymore.

Lastly, x.x changed the music for the whole game, I think. I can't compare it to 0.50's BGM, because it's been a while since I last played it.

Azinth · « **Reply #932 on:** November 27, 2009, 02:08:54 AM »

I did a bunch of blind runs of Change Air Blade, and now I'm 4th in the Shmups forum scoreboard. How the hell did that happen? :V

I should look some stuff up and see how this game is actually supposed to be played now.

Matsuri · « **Reply #933 on:** November 27, 2009, 02:19:40 AM »

Quote from: Aisha on November 27, 2009, 01:31:52 AM

Anyway, I tried out Eden's Aegis 0.90. Heaven and Hell (suicide bullets~) modes are in, but I don't see the two new characters that x.x hinted at a while back; I'm not sure if they have to be unlocked or if they just haven't been implemented yet. I managed to 1CC Original on my first attempt. x.x apparently felt that it was necessary to add a Wait mode to the game, which actually trivializes everything. It can be disabled, though. The game seems a bit more balanced now, in that I noticed I only received an extend at 7 million and 30 million points, as opposed to one every 7 million like before. This is good, because it discourages suiciding at the beginning of each stage to replenish your bomb stock, since using them didn't, and still doesn't, appear to harm your chain.

Also, the third boss's stupid fork bullets are actually visible now and don't make my eyes water anymore.

Lastly, x.x changed the music for the whole game, I think. I can't compare it to 0.50's BGM, because it's been a while since I last played it.

I downloaded that today, haven't tested it yet, though.

Quote from: Azinth on November 27, 2009, 02:08:54 AM

I did a bunch of blind runs of Change Air Blade, and now I'm 4th in the Shmups forum scoreboard. How the hell did that happen? :V

I should look some stuff up and see how this game is actually supposed to be played now.

It's really not hard, but it is pretty random. The amount of bullshit thrown at you around stage 6-7 is ridiculous, though. :V

Since I was at a relative's house for Thanksgiving today, I didn't have internet access, so I played some Batrider today. Made it to the 5th boss on my first try in ages!

Ghaleon · « **Reply #934 on:** November 27, 2009, 03:52:56 AM »

I just tried Stella vanity. It's difficult as fuck for me. I mean I can't even 1cc the damn demo on normal difficulty. I can get past the 3rd boss fine, but after that... I think I can honestly say I live longer playing Mushi Ultra on very hard insane. The first time I got to stage 4 without using a continue, I actually lost ALL my continues before beating the final boss, it was rape..

Now I have a huge amount of respect if the game developers can make a game that hard and 1ccable. that would be something else. Anyway, how hard does this game rank on normal and pandemonium difficulties (I'm referring to the new patch). I know normal isn't THAT hard, but pandemonium is... Aptly named. Anyway, I think the game is fun anyway. There are some things I've noticed and/or want to know about though.

1:Thunder lady's shot type is overpowered imo, and her "homing" attack is really a joke, might as well just get rid of it, I think it's distracting more than anything, or am I just doing it wrong? Seems it doesn't lock on to anything until they are in front of me, I'm shooting at them, AND I'm holding down the lock on button. When I hear the "ding" I push lock on again and it dies. Bosses, big enemies, whatever. Problem is it only locks on to targets it has enough energy to 1shot. And the energy fills up really really damn slow. Not only that but a full energy bar nuking a boss near death only seems to lock on until their health bar is *SOOOOO* low, that the other wind-girl's missle attack does the same amount of damage.. lame.

2: I'm not sure, but the wing girl's lock on attack caps at 4 locks right? I mean it goes from white, to yellow, then orange, then red. It keeps going "ding" after red though even if no new targets are around. Is it getting stronger? or does it just ding to be annoying?

3: randomly thru the game I hear christmas-bell sounding chimes. like once a level. I don't think these are extends or extra bombs. Wtf are they?

4: stages are kinda fun except they really seem to demand extreme memorization, not so much to dodge static patterns (don't think there really are any) but because you absolutely NEED to shoot down enemies asap because they don't really go away on their own very fast, and your screen will be impossible to survive before long (on higher difficulties/ stage4 that is). I'm not sure if I like this, though I suppose it makes sense to make this more "shooting' oriented than dodging compared to other doujin shooter games due to its potentially interesting shot types mixed with homing attacks and lockons and such.

5: wtf is up with the 3 harmless beams on the thunder lady's focus mode?

BoLaD · « **Reply #935 on:** November 27, 2009, 05:55:02 AM »

Why is it that the more I play Dodonpachi's stage 4, the worse I tend to do? I mean, I do better in terms of score, but I'm clipping the stage boss's attacks- IT'S EASY! I SHOULD BEAT THE FIRST 4 STAGE BOSSES WITH NO BOMBS/MISSES AT AL!

Edit: Did I forget to add the word "beat" in between "should" and "the"?

An Odd Sea Slug · « **Reply #936 on:** November 27, 2009, 09:21:22 AM »

I'm officially in a shmup slump. I died to freaking Barlog in Battle Bakraid. I actually got hit by Cyclop's mega-cannon. These things have never happened before, even on advanced course. I love having godly runs, only to suddenly lose all my lives in the span of a minute without warning.

Matsuri · « **Reply #937 on:** November 27, 2009, 02:11:34 PM »

Quote from: Odda C. on November 27, 2009, 09:21:22 AM

I'm officially in a shmup slump. I died to freaking Barlog in Battle Bakraid. I actually got hit by Cyclop's mega-cannon. These things have never happened before, even on advanced course. I love having godly runs, only to suddenly lose all my lives in the span of a minute without warning.

It happens. ^^;

Bananamatic · « **Reply #938 on:** November 27, 2009, 04:40:26 PM »

Managed a 373 chain in DDP. :V

It isn't really hard once you figure out that hueg streaming section in st5.

Matsuri · « **Reply #939 on:** November 27, 2009, 08:59:28 PM »

Just ragecalled NCSX, since my bank account is missing $117 but no notification of shipping or even any notification that they got the money. I barely got my name out before the lady said 'Oh, yours will ship out on Monday' as if she knew I was going to call. Creepy :V

Bananamatic · « **Reply #940 on:** November 27, 2009, 10:16:58 PM »

Stage 4. These evil, bad, bad and evil spawns of Satan which are coming to shit on your bomb stock.

Is there a strategy for them? No matter how I misdirect it, I either get cornered or I get overloaded by enemies.
Or even better, later in the stage, a second one joins in along with the pink spambot from st1.

Azinth · « **Reply #941 on:** November 27, 2009, 10:32:14 PM »

Start to their left to misdirect the initial blue shot, then fly underneath the red bullets to the right, and try to finish it off. Depending on your shottype, you might have to misdirect a second wave to the right. You could also start underneath them, tap to the side and move upwards to kill them quicker, but that's a bit riskier.

I once had a way to get past their second appearance without bombing, but I forget it now.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #942 on:** November 27, 2009, 10:42:15 PM »

I've got past these dudes no problem now....but the rest of the stage >.>
It's just impossible for me to get through without dying 3 times thanks to I dunno what.

EDIT: Reached end st5 boss with 16m score.
Is this one of the least generous games when it comes to extends? Or are there any other games which give you pretty much no lives or you have to actually fight for them?

shadowbringer · « **Reply #943 on:** November 28, 2009, 12:57:36 AM »

I think that you're guaranteed to get at least two extends (first at 6m points, second at the huge red carrier at stage 3, destroy the 6 yellow side "boxes", and then the control-center thing after them, before the boss). With each extend, more bombs.. and then there's the 3rd extend if you find yourself struggling to reach 20m points before losing your last life :p

some games that give you no lives: Raiden Fighters Jet and Thunder Dragon 2 (these two come to mind :p)
games that make you work for extends: Raizing games with the suicide-based rank control :p

Chaotic Phoenixma · « **Reply #944 on:** November 28, 2009, 01:01:13 AM »

All 3 of the Raiden Fighters games don't give extends. Which makes it a pain in the ass to try to do well on.

I barely 1cc'd the second one on Normal without meeting the TLB requirement, have no chance of beating the TLB in Jet and barely 1cc'd Sim 50, and have not 1cc'd the first. I haven't even made it to RFJ's final boss in Real Battle on 1 credit yet, and having to beat Real Battle 1 No Miss to even have a chance at the TLB sucks as well.

Oh, and fast bullets kick my ass. Fast and numerous bullets are much worse.

Azinth · « **Reply #945 on:** November 28, 2009, 02:00:42 AM »

Nothing extremely big, but I got to stage 6 in Giga Wing earlier today, and hit 14 tril. I was sucking horribly at this game for a long while recently whenever I tried it, so this came as a nice surprise.

God damn these games, whenever I get frustrated enough that I'm about ready to give up on them I get some breakthrough that just makes me want to keep fighting. Feels just like SG grinding in the good old days.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #946 on:** November 28, 2009, 02:07:12 AM »

Got to 18 something million before dying this time.

I pretty much lose my skill on a real run - I've bombed 4 times on st3 boss, pretty much bombspammed the entire st4 fight and died 2 times on st5, both times with an almost full bomb stock.

I've managed a perfect of st3 and st4 bosses with savestates and a 4 bomb clear of st5 boss.

More practice, I guess.

Aisha · « **Reply #947 on:** November 28, 2009, 03:31:42 AM »

Damn, it's getting harder and harder to visit Shmups Forum with that giant Futari thread always at the top. Can't resist reading it and feeling envious. :V

I think I'll order it and Death Smiles sometime this weekend...and stare at them when they arrive.

Matsuri · « **Reply #948 on:** November 28, 2009, 04:13:44 AM »

Quote from: Aisha on November 28, 2009, 03:31:42 AM

Damn, it's getting harder and harder to visit Shmups Forum with that giant Futari thread always at the top. Can't resist reading it and feeling envious. :V

I think I'll order it and Death Smiles sometime this weekend...and stare at them when they arrive.

Cool, I didn't know you had a J360.

Tell me how the Ketsui port is whenever it comes out =[

lmagus · « **Reply #949 on:** November 28, 2009, 04:32:45 AM »

my copy still hasn't shipped from playasia, so i changed my postage from economy box to fedex.

probably shouldn't have, but damn, i want to play it

god damnit send it to me already! x_x

Aisha · « **Reply #950 on:** November 28, 2009, 04:37:57 AM »

Quote from: Matsuri on November 28, 2009, 04:13:44 AM

Cool, I didn't know you had a J360.

Tell me how the Ketsui port is whenever it comes out =[

I don't. That's why I said I'd be staring at them when they arrive.

But yeah, I took what you said a while ago into consideration: that the games can only go up in price (or out of print) whereas a 360 can't; so, I figured that I may as well put my mind at ease and at least own the games, and get the system whenever it's ~~cheap~~ convenient.

On the Eden's Aegis front, 1CCing the game with both Nanathy and Maple will unlock a third character, Eve, for all difficulties. And I figure 1CCing the game with Eve will unlock the fourth character x.x showed off on his diary. Maybe later.

I really, really like this game, though. The score system is very tightly bound to survival, but instead of feeling like a technical grind, it's really fluid and makes you feel rewarded for doing well. Like ESPGaluda.

EDIT: damn grammar

Bananamatic · « **Reply #951 on:** November 28, 2009, 01:45:23 PM »

So close. If I only wouldn't die with 4 and 3 bombs early on.... :V

Aisha · « **Reply #952 on:** November 28, 2009, 01:57:55 PM »

This one is a classic.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #953 on:** November 28, 2009, 02:11:25 PM »

Quote from: Aisha on November 28, 2009, 01:57:55 PM

This one is a classic.

oh god. That has to suck :V

Still, the final attack is easy as long as you have 2 bombs.....you can just stream it up, then bomb, get back down and repeat.

EDIT:
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FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCk
this was a double epic fucking fail
I get a 331 combo and enter stage 6 with 3 MOTHERFUCKING LIVES.

but what do I do
I die with 2 bombs then with 4 bombs
then FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
died just as the final pattern was about to begin and the 3 bombs would pull me through 100%.
I was so goddamn close to looping it on my first 1cc.

BoLaD · « **Reply #954 on:** November 28, 2009, 03:01:45 PM »

At least you still have the will to continue playing even if you die with bombs in stock. Anytime I play Dodonpachi, I restart if I die with bombs in stock. =( Gonna go on a Dodonpachi hiatus....

Bananamatic · « **Reply #955 on:** November 28, 2009, 03:03:50 PM »

Quote from: BoLaD on November 28, 2009, 03:01:45 PM

At least you still have the will to continue playing even if you die with bombs in stock. Anytime I play Dodonpachi, I restart if I die with bombs in stock. =( Gonna go on a Dodonpachi hiatus....

It was st6 and easily my best run so far+the death was just before the boss and I've no death'd him earlier - so why reset? :V

EDIT: Just noticed that I've got a #1 place on some scoreboards and #10 on some bigger ones around here - the record for my country seems to be 39761670 - I guess that I can beat that if I'll ever bother with proper chaining instead of smashing the fire button.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #956 on:** November 29, 2009, 02:07:52 AM »

Worth the doublepost.

NICE TRY, FIGHTER. Such a kick in the balls.
Final score was 29m something.

I know that I didn't have anything left, but I've entered st6 boss with full bombs and 2 lives(entered st6 with 3 lives and no bombs) and died on the first life with 3 left - so I've said fuck that, I'm not screwing it up again and just bombed.

Max combo was 260 or something.

shadowbringer · « **Reply #957 on:** November 29, 2009, 03:40:27 AM »

congratulations, Bananamatic

(now, for the dreaded speech, "now, go for the second loop!" :p)

Bananamatic · « **Reply #958 on:** November 29, 2009, 03:44:55 AM »

Quote from: shadowbringer on November 29, 2009, 03:40:27 AM

congratulations, Bananamatic
(now, for the dreaded speech, "now, go for the second loop!" :p)

I've just got assfucked by Mars Matrix. Is it supposed to run at 60 FPS?

Aisha · « **Reply #959 on:** November 29, 2009, 03:55:25 AM »

Quote from: Bananamatic on November 29, 2009, 02:07:52 AM

Worth the doublepost.
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/8437/1ccd.jpg

NICE TRY, FIGHTER. Such a kick in the balls.
Final score was 29m something.

I know that I didn't have anything left, but I've entered st6 boss with full bombs and 2 lives(entered st6 with 3 lives and no bombs) and died on the first life with 3 left - so I've said fuck that, I'm not screwing it up again and just bombed.

Max combo was 260 or something.

Congrats. Was this your first 1CC of DoDonPachi?