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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #780 on: November 20, 2009, 04:57:15 PM »
Gunbird 2 also has yaoi and big hooters.  Truly a jack of all trades.

Bananamatic

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #781 on: November 20, 2009, 04:57:48 PM »
Wait, is it really a shmup? :V

Matsuri

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #782 on: November 20, 2009, 05:13:10 PM »
« Last Edit: November 20, 2009, 05:15:39 PM by Matsuri »

Bananamatic

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #783 on: November 20, 2009, 07:09:49 PM »
Is it just me, or is Hachi several times harder than Hibachi? :V

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #784 on: November 20, 2009, 07:39:49 PM »
Some of his attacks are harder to dodge, but he only requires me to bomb 5 times, and Hibachi about 15+ times.
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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #785 on: November 20, 2009, 08:17:10 PM »
:parsee:x10 at all you people who actually have the money to actually buy Futari.  Well, I don't even have an Xbox, so I was sort of screwed from the beginning anyway.

I don't have an xbox either, neither do I plan on getting one anytime soon. I'm pretty sure the price on Mushi will blast into outer space pretty quickly though, and the prices of xboxes will only go down more and more. Either that or they'll make an actually stable model. I want the limited edition myself but 35 bucks for a music cd is pretty high. I also think it'll be harder to get copies for.

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #786 on: November 20, 2009, 09:16:11 PM »
I played gunbird 2... Once.
At a convention.

It's awesome!


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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #787 on: November 21, 2009, 02:32:35 AM »
Apparently you can destroy the stage 3 1-up in Dodonpachi if you use a bomb...
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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #788 on: November 21, 2009, 07:17:49 AM »
The generous hitbox collision detection of the original Blue Wish Resurrection makes the game so much fun. Even after a few drinks I could 1CC all the way up to half way through Stage 5. :V

Bananamatic

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #789 on: November 21, 2009, 08:05:16 PM »
Can't do more than 6cc DDP 1st loop.
Why is it that I can't dodge anything compared to Touhou?

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #790 on: November 21, 2009, 08:11:16 PM »
If I got back into practice I could probably 1cc Dodonpachi's first loop again. The big roadblock is that you need to learn to trust that misdirecting walls and going through that tiny gap is a good idea with bombs in stock yet know when you screwed up.
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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #791 on: November 21, 2009, 10:19:23 PM »
The generous hitbox collision detection of the original Blue Wish Resurrection makes the game so much fun. Even after a few drinks I could 1CC all the way up to half way through Stage 5. :V

I do hope you're talking about Original mode and not Hell or Accel, because if not then orz.  I can barely get to stage 3 or 4 in those modes even at my best.  I just really suck at that game for some reason.

So can someone explain Giga Wing's mechanics to me.  I know that collecting the medals and reflected bullets increases the multiplier, but what is the multiplier for?  Shooting enemies?

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #792 on: November 22, 2009, 12:27:48 AM »
I do hope you're talking about Original mode and not Hell or Accel, because if not then orz.  I can barely get to stage 3 or 4 in those modes even at my best.  I just really suck at that game for some reason.

So can someone explain Giga Wing's mechanics to me.  I know that collecting the medals and reflected bullets increases the multiplier, but what is the multiplier for?  Shooting enemies?

Yeah, it was Original mode of the non-Plus version of the game. I have no idea what Accel is in this version of the game though. :V

As for Giga Wing scoring, check here if you haven't. In general, the bulk of score comes from the end-of-stage bonus, where you get bonuses for breaking bosses, shooting down enemies, and not using bombs; the multiplier you build by collecting medals multiplies these bonuses. There are a few other multipliers which factor in as well, such as time remaining during boss fights; percentage of boss parts broken; percentage of enemies shot down, and so on.

Matsuri

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #793 on: November 22, 2009, 12:43:34 AM »
EDIT: Dammit Aisha, and I took all this time typing this-- and for a better guide too that trivializes mine :V


I'm not entirely sure. Here's what I've figured out so far:

In Giga Wing, you don't even gain points for collecting medals. Your medal count is your multiplier. You'll notice that when you start the game, each popcorn enemy is only worth 200 points. Collect a couple medals, they're worth 1000 or so each. Your medal count is directly related to your multiplier. You'll see that the gain works like this-- the number you get on-screen as you collect medals is your 'actual' medal count, but many medals are worth more than 1 point. Most are worth 5. The only medals that are worth 1 are the ones you get from using the reflect barrier.

So say you collected 5 5-point medals. Your counter on-screen will say +25.

However, your multiplier is that number right under the score. You'll notice that that number jumps up really fast, and that's because your medal count is added to the multiplier every time you collect a medal.

For example, if you were collecting 5-point medals:

Medal 1: Count = 5, Multiplier = x5
Medal 2: Count = 10, Multiplier = x15
Medal 3: Count = 15, Multiplier = x30
Medal 4: Count = 20, Multiplier = x50
Medal 5: Count = 25, Multiplier = x75

and so on. That's why your Reflect Barrier is mega-valuable in this game and you should do your best to remember the best times to use it. For example, if you're using Ruby, the first stage should have a bunch of larger airplanes that shoot these dense waves of bullet-strings at you. Reflect the bullets at them, as well as as many other bullets you can. This will cause a bunch of 1-point medals to fall. This is where your multiplier will spike.

So say you had your x75 multiplier from the earlier example. Now let's see what happens if you were to collect... say, 10 1-point medals:

Medal 1: Count = 26, Multiplier = x101
Medal 2: Count = 27, Multiplier = x128
Medal 3: Count = 28, Multiplier = x156
Medal 4: Count = 29, Multiplier = x185
Medal 5: Count = 30, Multiplier = x215
Medal 6: Count = 31, Multiplier = x246
Medal 7: Count = 32, Multiplier = x278
Medal 8: Count = 33, Multiplier = x311
Medal 9: Count = 34, Multiplier = x345
Medal 10: Count = 35, Multiplier = x380

So you can understand why your score skyrockets, especially when your medal count is in the thousands-- which is not hard to do at all, since you'll be collecting medals like crazy in this game. This is only a very small-scale example, because I'm horrible at even basic math and I didn't want to hurt myself :P

What you do have to consider is risk over reward, though. Don't go getting yourself killed over a multiplier boost, because once you die, your medal count that you worked for? Gone. So while your multiplier might stay the same, your ability to boost your multiplier is fucked.

So say your multiplier is at x150000. I'll use a random medal count here....

Medal 1: Count = 2345, Multiplier = x152345
Medal 2: Count = 2346, Multiplier = x154691
*death*
Medal 1: Count = 5, Multiplier = x154696
Medal 2: Count = 10, Multiplier = x154706
Medal 3: Count = 15, Multiplier = x154721

So you can understand why dying ruins your score. You may think that it's fine to die because you keep your multiplier, but you'll notice that your score gain will stagnate drastically when you die, because you can't keep adding to the multiplier. It is always better to live to increase your multiplier at a slower rate than it is to die trying to get a huge multiplier bonus.

That's what I've got, so far. Don't kill me if I'm wrong @_@
« Last Edit: November 22, 2009, 12:48:12 AM by Matsuri »

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #794 on: November 22, 2009, 12:53:40 AM »
Gah so my friend doesn't trust play asia or ncsx (or whatever it was called). So I gotta wait for my own Credit card to be  not maxxed out (thanks to family). which wont happen until the 8th of December... NOOOOO My mushi is prob gonna be sold out and 500 bucks by then *cries*.

Matsuri

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #795 on: November 22, 2009, 12:54:58 AM »
It won't be that drastic of a price jump. :V

Besides, you still need to get an Xbox, since you said you don't have one yet...

Bananamatic

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #796 on: November 22, 2009, 12:56:28 AM »
Gah so my friend doesn't trust play asia or ncsx (or whatever it was called). So I gotta wait for my own Credit card to be  not maxxed out (thanks to family). which wont happen until the 8th of December... NOOOOO My mushi is prob gonna be sold out and 500 bucks by then *cries*.
Well, I'm in for 3+ years before I'll be able to import ANYTHING. Sucks, I know.
By then, X360 Futari will be pretty much a rare artifact >.>

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #797 on: November 22, 2009, 12:57:38 AM »
It won't be that drastic of a price jump. :V

Besides, you still need to get an Xbox, since you said you don't have one yet...

My concern is getting the game before the price increases. Not to play it asap. I'm very patient and I'll be happy just knowing I can play it some day whenever I want to buy the xbox.

I've had too many great classic games slip past me because I refused to get them until AFTER I got the game console, Valkarie profile, Arc the lad, Symphony of the night, Suikoden... GRR at Xenogears. It took me years to get Xenogears, and when I finally did, they re-released it in a bestsellers edition right afterwards and it became easy as @#%%# to get (and cheaper). FAGHASKJFAS

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Well, I'm in for 3+ years before I'll be able to import ANYTHING. Sucks, I know.
By then, X360 Futari will be pretty much a rare artifact >.>

Ouch...why?

Matsuri

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #798 on: November 22, 2009, 01:01:58 AM »
Well, I'm in for 3+ years before I'll be able to import ANYTHING. Sucks, I know.
By then, X360 Futari will be pretty much a rare artifact >.>

Order from NCSX then. They're in the US and take care of all the importing shit for you :V

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #799 on: November 22, 2009, 01:04:24 AM »
Order from NCSX then. They're in the US and take care of all the importing shit for you :V

Wait? huh? What steps are there to importing other than giving your credit card # online, using your paypall crap, typing in your address, all the basic jazz? I've never ordered anything international outside of ebay, and I don't ever recall taking any extra steps that I already have to do for local orders anyway.

Bananamatic

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #800 on: November 22, 2009, 01:09:50 AM »
Order from NCSX then. They're in the US and take care of all the importing shit for you :V
Europe. Anything like that over here? :V

And it's because my parents live in the stone age.
They never pay with a credit card over the internet because they don't trust it. They don't even have paypal or anything, so yeah.

Basically, unless I can have it delivered straight to my house so I can pay it on the spot, it's completely out of my reach.

Matsuri

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #801 on: November 22, 2009, 01:13:42 AM »
Wait? huh? What steps are there to importing other than giving your credit card # online, using your paypall crap, typing in your address, all the basic jazz? I've never ordered anything international outside of ebay, and I don't ever recall taking any extra steps that I already have to do for local orders anyway.

Mostly the whole 'waiting on it to clear customs' stuff. Basically, you don't wait as long. :V

I've imported stuff before, and the wait for stuff to clear customs is just downright crazy, especially if you're really excited for the game to arrive. In my case, NCSX will be getting the game in stock just a day after the release date and would have it in my mailbox faster than I would if I were to order from, say, Play-Asia (who sold out of LE copies lightning fast anyway)

Europe. Anything like that over here? :V

And it's because my parents live in the stone age.
They never pay with a credit card over the internet because they don't trust it. They don't even have paypal or anything, so yeah.

Basically, unless I can have it delivered straight to my house so I can pay it on the spot, it's completely out of my reach.

As a matter of fact, yes.

According to spadgy@shmups:
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Just so people know, the store in London's Goodge Street (Game Focus) is getting some copies in, so you don't have to bother with postage. I think they might have them on the shelf one day after the JPN release date.

So if you live in London or can get there in a timely fashion, I'd say this is your best bet if importing is out of the question.
« Last Edit: November 22, 2009, 01:18:57 AM by Matsuri »

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #802 on: November 22, 2009, 01:17:30 AM »
It's possible to set up a Paypal account that draws money directly from your savings account. It might be worth looking at. I've never ordered from NCSX or Play-Asia, so I'm not sure if their Paypal option is restricted to payment via credit card only (if such a restriction is even possible).

Bananamatic

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #803 on: November 22, 2009, 01:20:23 AM »
So if you live in London or can get there in a timely fashion, I'd say this is your best bet if importing is out of the question.
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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #804 on: November 22, 2009, 01:38:08 AM »
Yeah, it was Original mode of the non-Plus version of the game. I have no idea what Accel is in this version of the game though. :V

You just go to Hell and press down or go to Heaven and press up; either way the selector will go off screen.  Then press select and it'll take you to Accel.  In the non-plus it's just Original at 2x speed, as opposed to plus where you could add it to any difficulty.

Giga Wing is really cool.  I actually think I might like playing it a bit more than Mars Matrix, mostly because it doesn't have the boatloads of input lag that MM has (and it doesn't rape me quite as thoroughly).  It might end up going on my 'shmups I actually want to get good at' list.

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #805 on: November 22, 2009, 01:50:06 AM »
Giga Wing is really cool.  I actually think I might like playing it a bit more than Mars Matrix, mostly because it doesn't have the boatloads of input lag that MM has (and it doesn't rape me quite as thoroughly).  It might end up going on my 'shmups I actually want to get good at' list.

I share this sentiment. Giga Wing is just plain fun. There's something about Mars Matrix that doesn't do it for me, and the input lag is part of it (although if it's MAME's fault, then I can't really blame the game).

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #806 on: November 22, 2009, 03:42:46 AM »
I've been playing Giga Wing for a couple of days, starting to get the hang of it. :V Easily the most fun I've ever had trying to play for score. Current best score is 6.4 trillion, and furthest I've managed on a continue is one hit away from killing the Stage 5 boss. >_<
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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #807 on: November 22, 2009, 03:25:13 PM »
Giga Wing is fun and funny. E.g. Try to read your score in English after a 1cc. I don't think you can.

For Mars Matrix, I recommend the Dreamcast version, looks good.

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #808 on: November 22, 2009, 03:53:24 PM »
Some people at Shmups forum have already got their copies of MushiFutari.

My jealousy is limitless.

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #809 on: November 22, 2009, 04:26:26 PM »
At least you have the money to import merchandise from foreign countries.  :-[