Author Topic: Shooter games (Read 156922 times)

BoLaD · « **Reply #300 on:** October 07, 2009, 04:00:25 AM »

Time to beg my uncles in San Francisco during Christmas time.

shadowbringer · « **Reply #301 on:** October 07, 2009, 04:19:25 AM »

I would upload an input file for Donut, despite me not planning ahead how to do the stages optimally, but..
1- I've lost my practice :p (died on stage 2, paid too much attention to the chain meter and got hit)
2- I've lost my practice too (I could chain the popcorn section after the stage 2 tank midboss consistently, but now, I miss it D:)
3- I've.. well, you know

(tried to think of a route for stage 3, did a memorization mistake and the situation got out of control as there were too much bullets on the screen on the first section of the stage :p)
4- lost the remaining two ships at stage 3 (as I tried to do the bullet-cancelling trick, and the other, as I tried to do the point-blank trick on the boss :p); I would reset after I lost the Maximum bonus, but I continued anyways in order to show the big red carrier
5- last but not least.. when I checked the inp. file, it had... well.. desynched on the first stage

(the emulator was Wolfmameplus 0106)

Matsuri · « **Reply #302 on:** October 07, 2009, 09:04:11 PM »

Ohhhh, that was so cheap! I got to the end of stage 4 in DonPachi where there are two enemies that give a powerup and a bomb, and as soon as I move up to grab them, I get ambushed by a stream of popcorn enemies. Bastards. >=[

At least my score gives me a low, but not low-est spot on the Shmups forum scoreboard.

BoLaD · « **Reply #303 on:** October 07, 2009, 11:38:30 PM »

Quote from: nintendonut888 on October 06, 2009, 11:08:56 PM

Because I suck.

Also it probably has something to do with me trying my best to score on the stage (since I hear you can do the second loop requirement for a chain right there). Remind me again how this asanine system works? Why sometimes you get nearly two seconds to continue the chain while others end instantly?

Oh, never mind, I'll figure this out eventually because I love this game so much <3 <3 <3

Was that sarcasm? Sorry- but I really suck when it comes to determining weather of not someone is serious over the internet.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #304 on:** October 07, 2009, 11:56:36 PM »

Oh, don't mind the all caps. There's a little tsundere who likes to troll me. <3

Anyways...I just made it to stage 6 again on one credit. I got about halfway through the stage before finally dying. You know what's annoying though? I didn't get the 20 million extend because I put my survival over my score in stage 3 (the reason why I even made it this far in the first place).

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #305 on:** October 08, 2009, 12:23:03 AM »

O_O

What.

Even though I used the savestate to start at stage 2, this is a 1cc. O_O I managed to keep my maximum bombs long enough to get the 3 times multiplier, and had no problem getting the 20 million extend from there.

I...

...don't feel satisfied. At all.

Maybe it's the fact that I didn't start at stage 1, maybe it's the fact that THE FUCKING COMMANDER IS STILL MOCKING ME, but either way, this doesn't make me feel like a 1cc should.

BoLaD · « **Reply #306 on:** October 08, 2009, 12:28:22 AM »

Quote from: nintendonut888 on October 08, 2009, 12:23:03 AM

O_O

What.

Even though I used the savestate to start at stage 2, this is a 1cc. O_O I managed to keep my maximum bombs long enough to get the 3 times multiplier, and had no problem getting the 20 million extend from there.

I...

...don't feel satisfied. At all. Maybe it's the fact that I didn't start at stage 1, maybe it's the fact that THE FUCKING COMMANDER IS STILL MOCKING ME, but either way, this doesn't make me feel like a 1cc should.

It's because the stage 6 boss is so unepic and not fun at all.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #307 on:** October 08, 2009, 12:48:42 AM »

Yeah, that too. I want my Hibachiiiiiiii. D:

Anyway...heh? I immediately went back in for a run from stage 1 (I used a savestate but it's to skip the annoying unskippable disclaimer at the beginning :V), and after dying with full bombs in stage 3 and with multiple bombs in stage 5, I still make it all the way to the stage 6 boss. When did this get easier? o_O

BoLaD · « **Reply #308 on:** October 08, 2009, 01:10:44 AM »

Why did I just torture myself for the past 30 minutes trying to 1cc Dodonpachi again so I could get a screen shot of it and rub it into Matsuri's face? (He told me to get a SS of me winning) But rather than try to 1cc it, it was rather like trying to get past stage 4 without dying with bombs in stock- stupid mame and your dislike of keyboards. I no miss/bomb the first 2 stages, I get past the stage 3 boss with 1 bomb in stock and then I breakdown from there.

This is seriously what happens when you cannot play for a while (a few days I think, too much work) and you're constantly torturing yourself with angry thoughts- Assholes at school, my brother, etc. UGH!

shadowbringer · « **Reply #309 on:** October 08, 2009, 01:12:21 AM »

Donut: how fortunate that you have a savestate for stage 2, since you can use this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GoiQRAZ9Tw to practice the 270-hit chain with A-L (note how the player avoids damaging certain large enemies/buildings with laser so early, or more exactly, how he uses his shot -- not the laser -- in order to use certain enemies/buildings/cars at the right time, and how he anticipates the appearance of certain weak enemies in order to maintain the chain meter)

this means, there are sections where you need to use the normal shot and/or anticipate the appearance/placement of the enemies, and to preserve certain enemies until it's the right time to take them out. Don't underestimate your abilities, if there's something that the shmups.org's STG Tournament taught me, it's that overcoming what I previously thought to be difficult obstacles is possible (even within one week in certain games I've rarely/never ever touched), and the effort is satisfying. You don't have to do the whole chain, note how the player reaches 270 hits on the midboss.

Aisha · « **Reply #310 on:** October 08, 2009, 01:18:02 AM »

I think the only downside to starting from Stage 2 via save states is because you will need to know Stage 1 like the back of your hand for the second loop. It's probably not going to be incredibly difficult, but it still helps being able to anticipate where enemies will appear.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #311 on:** October 08, 2009, 01:22:57 AM »

Pah, you don't seriously think I'm going to be attempting to 1cc the entire game, do you? I'll be surprised if I ever reach the second loop legitimately.

And thanks Shadowbringer, I'll watch that when I have time.

For now, I have to eat dinner and then pay attention to that doom project due tomorrow... ;^_^

EDIT: Wait, I watched it. Uhhhrgh....that looks very annoying. I don't understand how using the unfocused shot changes things.

Matsuri · « **Reply #312 on:** October 08, 2009, 02:01:00 AM »

Quote from: BoLaD on October 08, 2009, 01:10:44 AM

rub it into Matsuri's face

I only said to get a screenshot to be a jackass, 'cause that's how I am. It's not like you're impressing me or anything. I could probably 1cc DoDonPachi too if I felt like pouring the time into it. Instead, I'm focusing on Mushihimesama for now

shadowbringer · « **Reply #313 on:** October 08, 2009, 02:35:57 AM »

the shot is used to preserve the enemies that are behind the targeted enemy, in order to not destroy them prematurely and use them to continue the chain (one example being the stationary cars at the left side of the screen after the tank midboss starts moving). Note that the larger enemies/buildings are preserved in order to be lasered later, since laser maintains the chain meter (at the bottom of it).

BoLaD · « **Reply #314 on:** October 08, 2009, 03:17:26 AM »

Quote from: Matsuri on October 08, 2009, 02:01:00 AM

I only said to get a screenshot to be a jackass, 'cause that's how I am. It's not like you're impressing me or anything. I could probably 1cc DoDonPachi too if I felt like pouring the time into it. Instead, I'm focusing on Mushihimesama for now

Augh.. you caught my own mistake before I did.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #315 on:** October 08, 2009, 03:30:15 AM »

Actually, what I desire most is a savestate beginning on the second loop. I doubt this will work, but anyone have one for A-L? =D

Matsuri · « **Reply #316 on:** October 08, 2009, 03:42:21 AM »

Just played DOJ for the first time in months. Broke my old high (yeah right) score and made it partway through stage 3. Not too bad for sucking at it and being rusty at the same time.

Getting Hyper Powerups is awesome. Nothing feels better than pulling off a 500-hit combo while picking up bees that are worth 1000 x hit count

Aisha · « **Reply #317 on:** October 08, 2009, 03:48:42 AM »

Quote from: Matsuri on October 08, 2009, 03:42:21 AM

Just played DOJ for the first time in months. Broke my old high (yeah right) score and made it partway through stage 3. Not too bad for sucking at it and being rusty at the same time.

Getting Hyper Powerups is awesome. Nothing feels better than pulling off a 500-hit combo while picking up bees that are worth 1000 x hit count

The Hyper powerup is awesome until it runs out and the game makes you wish that you never used it in the first place.

Is it just me, or is it really hard to see the blue needle bullets used by the second boss? That thing just ruins my runs.

Matsuri · « **Reply #318 on:** October 08, 2009, 04:02:07 AM »

Those catch me from time to time, but I don't think they're so bad. Now, in Death Label, fuck that, I'm bombing

Matsuri · « **Reply #319 on:** October 08, 2009, 04:52:46 AM »

Aaargh I had a brilliant run in Mushi stage 2, then I totally fell apart in stage 3. I really need to figure out the chaining in that stage. I can get both point extends with no problem now, it's getting the stage 3 extend while maintaining a 100,000+ counter that's the hard part.

I'd really like to break 100,000,000 so I have a place on the scoreboard at Shmups forum, too. It's all pretty hard with a PS2 controller though

Aisha · « **Reply #320 on:** October 08, 2009, 05:00:11 AM »

Yeah I know what you mean. That controller is the only thing that's stopping me from putting any serious effort into the PS2 ports. $:-\$

Maybe I'll give the PS2 emulator a go this weekend, since I'm starting to get a craving for ~~punishment~~ DOJ. And Ibara, if it looks nice.

Azinth · « **Reply #321 on:** October 08, 2009, 05:19:22 AM »

HELLZ YEAH I managed to get a 300 chain in DDP stage 2(should've been more but I messed up the post-midboss part)! Second loop here I come.

Except oh wait I keep randomly trainwrecking all over the place in stage 4 and 5, what the hell. Fucking one-frame bomb delay is fjdkslahepwhf;lkdsa

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #322 on:** October 08, 2009, 05:41:49 AM »

Opposite of Azinth. Just 1cc'd from stage 1 to rub it in Matsuri's face (and a screenshot, but I just posted one and it looks pretty much the same), but no closer to second looping then I've ever been. That was a pretty awesome finish, the way I did the last third of stage 6 without any bombs. I'm not sure exactly how I managed to survive that, but it meant that I entered the stage 6 boss in the best possible condition: One life left and one bomb to take care of the pesky streaming attack that gives me so much trouble. After bombing there, I proceeded to survive the rest of the boss' onslaught, and even cleared about half the lifebar of the last attack before dying and resorting to bomb spam to defeat it. Still...my goal is incomplete. I have 1cc'd Dodonpachi, but I have yet to face the ultimate in awesomeness himself. Will I ever be able to second loop...?

Matsuri · « **Reply #323 on:** October 08, 2009, 05:45:04 AM »

What's with all of the 'rubbing it in my face' all of a sudden? It's not like I'm impressed or anything.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #324 on:** October 08, 2009, 05:48:29 AM »

Quote from: Matsuri on October 08, 2009, 05:45:04 AM

What's with all of the 'rubbing it in my face' all of a sudden? It's not like I'm impressed or anything.

It's more to meet your challenges.

Yes...actually, you are JUST LIKE the commander (seriously, does he have a name or something? I know I'm not supposed to care about the story of Dodonpachi, but after all this work I god damn want a justification): Cold, cruel, slightly mocking, and in reality a criminal mastermind trying to destroy the entire human race for extremely vague reasons...

Would you be impressed if I 1cc'd the second loop then?

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #325 on:** October 08, 2009, 05:54:11 AM »

You saw nothing.

Matsuri · « **Reply #326 on:** October 08, 2009, 05:57:15 AM »

Quote from: nintendonut888 on October 08, 2009, 05:48:29 AM

It's more to meet your challenges.

Yes...actually, you are JUST LIKE the commander (seriously, does he have a name or something? I know I'm not supposed to care about the story of Dodonpachi, but after all this work I god damn want a justification): Cold, cruel, slightly mocking, and in reality a criminal mastermind trying to destroy the entire human race for extremely vague reasons...

Would you be impressed if I 1cc'd the second loop then?

That's just how I am.

And yes, I will definitely be impressed if you can 1cc both loops. Go for it.

Quote from: nintendonut888 on October 08, 2009, 05:54:11 AM

Tsk tsk, you think you can resist me by giving me the cold shoulder? I know I can get through to you...I just need to eliminate the concept of time zones! And I can do that! Because I'm a lunatic or something, and we have reality shattering powers.

But wait, I can use them to make you accept me!

* Donut goes to work

I have to sleep too, you know. =<

Quote from: nintendonut888 on October 08, 2009, 05:54:11 AM

You saw nothing.

*smirk* Nice try.

Aisha · « **Reply #327 on:** October 08, 2009, 06:06:28 AM »

Quote from: nintendonut888 on October 08, 2009, 05:48:29 AM

It's more to meet your challenges.

Yes...actually, you are JUST LIKE the commander (seriously, does he have a name or something? I know I'm not supposed to care about the story of Dodonpachi, but after all this work I god damn want a justification): Cold, cruel, slightly mocking, and in reality a criminal mastermind trying to destroy the entire human race for extremely vague reasons...

Would you be impressed if I 1cc'd the second loop then?

Google tells me that he's just called The Commander. :V

All of the Cave games have a story, but nobody really gives a shit about them, even though I think some seem pretty neat (DonPachi had a crazy twist IIRC).

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #328 on:** October 08, 2009, 06:16:31 AM »

The plot of Donpachi felt like they were just running through it as fast as possible. Really, the text scrolled so fast it was like they were doing it on purpose.

And I'm a sucker for at least an adequate story.

I really want to know what the hell the plot of Daioujou and Daifukkatsu are.

LtC · « **Reply #329 on:** October 08, 2009, 07:43:37 AM »

Quote from: shadowbringer on October 08, 2009, 01:12:21 AM

Donut: how fortunate that you have a savestate for stage 2, since you can use this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GoiQRAZ9Tw to practice the 270-hit chain with A-L (note how the player avoids damaging certain large enemies/buildings with laser so early, or more exactly, how he uses his shot -- not the laser -- in order to use certain enemies/buildings/cars at the right time, and how he anticipates the appearance of certain weak enemies in order to maintain the chain meter)

this means, there are sections where you need to use the normal shot and/or anticipate the appearance/placement of the enemies, and to preserve certain enemies until it's the right time to take them out. Don't underestimate your abilities, if there's something that the shmups.org's STG Tournament taught me, it's that overcoming what I previously thought to be difficult obstacles is possible (even within one week in certain games I've rarely/never ever touched), and the effort is satisfying. You don't have to do the whole chain, note how the player reaches 270 hits on the midboss.

This guy makes it look 3 times harder than it actually is, don't try to copy the strategy from this video.