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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #120 on: September 27, 2009, 09:46:32 PM »
I'm going to kick you for being pessimistic.  >:(

The announcement that it might be region-free was made a while back, and they wouldn't pull back now after saying that it definitely will be, what with all of us excited gaijin-folk anticipating it so much.

Well it really doesn't matter for me. At 14, you can't buy a 360.
Update: 2cc of Dodonpachi. I continued on the 6th stage. God I hate that stage 5 boss so much.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2009, 10:17:14 PM by BoLaD »

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #121 on: September 28, 2009, 12:16:26 AM »
OH MY GOD YES <33333333333333333333333333333333333333~♪

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS THAT'S THE BEST NEWS OF THE YEAR o/

*tears of joy*

I really wish they'd re-release DoDonPachi Daioujou RF too
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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #122 on: September 28, 2009, 02:03:10 AM »
I'm going to kick you for being pessimistic.  >:(

The announcement that it might be region-free was made a while back, and they wouldn't pull back now after saying that it definitely will be, what with all of us excited gaijin-folk anticipating it so much.

Well it really doesn't matter for me. At 14, you can't buy a 360.
Update: 2cc of Dodonpachi. I continued on the 6th stage. God I hate that stage 5 boss so much.

That the one that fires Peta Flare esque bullets that come down faster than you can get out of the way? It's stuff like that that made me give up on this game.

And I guess that's good news, that Cave is noticing that more people overseas are liking danmaku shooters.
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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #123 on: September 28, 2009, 02:11:38 AM »
Note: Watch Prometheus' DoDonPachi replay that was posted earlier in here, Donut. He uses an alternate method to avoid most of those megabullets.

Also, the final boss of ESP Ra.De. has a pattern similar to Utsuho's Flare spell cards, too. It's nowhere near as hard though.
« Last Edit: September 28, 2009, 02:29:34 AM by Matsuri »

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #124 on: September 28, 2009, 02:13:19 AM »
Azinth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTOHnUALJOI#t=5m28s might be of help.. for safety purposes, don't kill the bullet-clearing enemies when there are no/few bullets on the screen; damage them, and then use them when they're near the bottom of the screen..

There will be one last section of these bullet-spraying enemies, where some of them are covered by other of the same kind; I usually make an opening at the right side of the screen, and then reach the big red carrier ship from there

Hope this helps :D

Ah, that actually helps, thanks.  I just wasn't being agressive enough in killing the small ships around the bullet-cancelling ship it seems.  And that whole replay is really useful too, as well as crazy to watch.  Those stage-long chains... @_@. 


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That the one that fires Peta Flare esque bullets that come down faster than you can get out of the way? It's stuff like that that made me give up on this game.

Those are actually fairly simple in the first loop, at least if you watch for where it's aiming the missile.  The second loop version though... I don't even see how that shit is possible without safespotting...
« Last Edit: September 28, 2009, 02:23:33 AM by Azinth »

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #125 on: September 28, 2009, 08:13:02 PM »


I am so happy~♪

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #126 on: September 29, 2009, 12:33:43 AM »
Just 3cc'd Dodonpachi. I still heavily dislike the danmaku, but meh...I almost made it to the stage 5 boss before continuing, and used my second continue on the stage 6 boss' last attack.

BTW, does reaching the second loop necessarily require you to 1cc?
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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #127 on: September 29, 2009, 12:40:49 AM »
Pretty sure, yeah.

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #128 on: September 29, 2009, 02:09:06 AM »


I am so happy~♪

Where'd you buy it from?
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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #129 on: September 29, 2009, 02:30:54 AM »
What is the estimated release date of the game?

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #130 on: September 29, 2009, 02:38:32 AM »
Where'd you buy it from?

NCSX. They take care of all of the importing for you, and is based in the US. You can buy the standard edition Mushifutari there too.

What is the estimated release date of the game?

November 26.

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #131 on: September 29, 2009, 10:50:32 AM »
That the one that fires Peta Flare esque bullets that come down faster than you can get out of the way? It's stuff like that that made me give up on this game.
Huh? That attack is one of the easiest, even if you don't use the safe spot. I always stay between the columns of large and small explosions (their hitboxes allow for some maneuvering), but it's not too hard to unfocus and move out of the way, either. You can see where the next large explosion will fall in advance, anyway. I pretty much always bomb on the attack where it's shooting aimed blue bullets at you while the screen is covered in spam, though.
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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #132 on: September 30, 2009, 02:10:57 AM »
It seems the replays I watch of Dodonpachi always feature that blue ship that can perform a big spread shot. Is it really the best ship to use when you're going for a 1cc? I'm currently using the red ship, while choosing to power up my shot. Currently stage 5 is the biggest wall for my 1cc and it would really help if I could manage just 1 death on that stage.

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #133 on: September 30, 2009, 02:23:11 AM »
Matter of preference, I guess. I prefer and do better with the red ship because it's fast and deals a ton of condensed damage. The blue ship is just too slow for me.

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #134 on: September 30, 2009, 02:24:41 AM »
NCSX. They take care of all of the importing for you, and is based in the US. You can buy the standard edition Mushifutari there too.

What is the estimated release date of the game?

November 26.

Update: Preorders will ship from NCSX on the 27th.

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #135 on: September 30, 2009, 06:01:34 AM »
You guys say the Peta Flare like attacks of the stage 5 boss are easy. You guys also happen to be jerks. :|

Another 3cc. I simply don't see myself ever second looping with things as they are. I can't have faith in my dodging because everything is hitbox prayer. The only time I can get anything done right is when I'm out of bombs and have no choice but to rely on skill.

And how the hell do you dodge the stage 4 boss' LOL LASER CANNON? I see no way.
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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #136 on: September 30, 2009, 06:44:37 AM »
I find that flare attack a bitch too.  :D

Don't get too far ahead of yourself too fast. You've only been playing for a few days. It'll take time and practice to even get to the second loop, but if you find the game fun, then that shouldn't be a problem.

As for the 4th boss's lasers, the trick is to keep to the outside as it's moving off the screen--you'll get fucked if the boss manages to keep you between its lasers. When the boss is charging up a laser, use the opportunity to slip out. You'll have to pass across the front of the boss once or twice, but it's really easy after you do it once. See here. It's actually possible to bug this boss by breaking off its lasers just as it's descending to the bottom of the screen to use them (I think).

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #137 on: September 30, 2009, 11:47:21 AM »
That flare attack is easier if you don't safespot it. But the reason you want to do it is so you get pointblank damage on it and don't have to face its first attack again (And easily keep the MAX bonus).

You'll want to move in right away, the boss usually shoots up one nuke and takes a 'lil break, sometimes shoots even more and you can't get in right away. It's harder on the C type ship obviously.

The boss moves around in anti clockwise circle 2 times and stops shooting. You'll want to move OUT from the safespot the second time it moves down because there's around 75% chance it will shoot while moving downwards meaning you'll die.


As for shot type comparison:
C-S: Easy survival for stage 5 and 6, although C-L is way better for stage 6. Stage 2 and stage 5 are easy for getting the 330HIT for loop2 requirement.
Scoringwise it sux on bosses and you'll probably be bombing some bosses and losing MAX bonuses later stages. Also with -S type you can't pointblank the 3rd boss in the beginning.
A-L, B-L: Easy time till stage 5 from when on you'll need to plan your moves and redirect bullets well. Easytime getting 270/310HIT for loop2 requirement in stage 2, I'd suggest learning the route that doesn't get all the bees unless you plan on beating the WR or something. Both A-L and B-L rapidfire create slowdown in crowded areas and when lots of bullets on screen, not sure if that's a MAME bug.
Scoringwise really good IF you can survive well after stage 4.

I think C-S is good if you just want to play the game to clear the first loop and not care for anything else like score or 2nd loop. Otherwise I'd go with A-L, B-L or C-L (Sacrifice speed for side shot when going from A to C).

Also just so everyone knows:
P1 Side: Using a focused bomb (The laser bomb) when you have your MAX bomb bonus on will NOT cancel your chain, useful in stage 5 and 6.
P2 Side: End of stage star bonuses or whatever stack after each level, tiny boost in score.

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #138 on: September 30, 2009, 03:09:50 PM »
Knock yourself out.

C-S is usually considered the superior ship for survival simply because you can stay near the center of the screen and spam everything with autofire before it gives you any trouble. Laser attack of stage 4 boss is also the easiest, btw. :D

On the other hand, I'm not sure you'll like the 2nd loop because it's quite noticeably harder than the first. In other words, if you can't survive the 1st loop reliably you probably have no business there. Also, stage 6 boss is going to munch your spare lives unless you practice it for some time or use 10+ preemptive bombs.

In regards to bombs, also know that fast ships (A and B) can use them more effectively if you unfocus before bombing and pointblank during the invincibility effect. It deals more net damage than laser bomb, clears the screen better and doesn't immobilize you.
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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #139 on: September 30, 2009, 03:35:10 PM »
Might as well start learning now.

Can someone teach me the mechanics of scoring for Mushihimesama Futari's Maniac mode?  :P

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Translations.
How much time do you guys think it will take for HM to be translated? Besides everyone's story modes and the whole menus, there's also the fact that the way HM's programmed is different from all other games. I bet it'll take two months.

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #141 on: September 30, 2009, 06:37:10 PM »
Ah, good to know. I'm pleased to see it doesn't have the system the original Mushihimesama had. I still don't have a grasp on the tapping frequencies. xD

New Mushi Futari port info: When you order it, it'll come with a DLC card for Mushihimesama Futari ver. 1.01. There are only 2 versions on the port itself-- 1.5 and Arrange. Black Label will come later as buyable DLC. (And I'm seriously hoping they'll make it available on non-Japanese consoles T_T).

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #142 on: September 30, 2009, 06:55:38 PM »
1.5 still has Original, Maniac and Ultra, right?

Arrange is only for consoles? I got very badly used to it. I played Mushi Arrange a lot, and it really hurt me when I started playing Maniac.. I never bombed.. Never lasted long.

And since Arrange was impossible because of the TLB I always had to be happy to only reach it.

it also sucked when I started playing Touhou... Having to get used to bombing... argh!
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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #143 on: September 30, 2009, 07:43:29 PM »
Yep.

I'm kind of uneasy about the DLC thing. Is CAVE going to make it all easily accessible for us? I mean, while I'd gladly pay the price I paid for ver. 1.5 alone, one of the biggest selling points is that it had the other two versions as well...

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #144 on: September 30, 2009, 08:00:58 PM »
Cave announced that they're looking at a global release for their next game. They're even looking into distributing via Steam; having their whole library on the PC would be fantastic. Easy TATE, cheap, and a control scheme I like.

I'm starting to think that it might be a bit too early to buy a J360.

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #145 on: September 30, 2009, 08:15:30 PM »
Well, there's no requirements to face Hibachi other than second looping, right? That's what I wanna do.
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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #146 on: September 30, 2009, 08:55:00 PM »
I suspect you'd have to 1cc the whole second loop to see the TLB.  Though if you ever find yourself with a lot of free time you could probably safestate abuse your way to Hibachi, or have you still not gotten those to work with your emulator yet?

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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #147 on: September 30, 2009, 09:03:47 PM »
IIRC, as long as you get to the second loop, the amount of credits you spend afterwards is irrelevant for Hibachi.
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Re: Shooter games
« Reply #148 on: September 30, 2009, 10:41:49 PM »
Something tells me the savestates aren't going to magically start working unless I download that earlier version that allegedly works with savestates.

EDIT: ...Okay, I just started watching one of those superplays, and it's clear I know a LOT less than I thought. How did he destroy some of the bullets? Why does the combo meter never stay active that long for me?
« Last Edit: September 30, 2009, 10:53:29 PM by nintendonut888 »
nintendonut888: Hey Baity. I beat the high score for Sanae B hard on the score.dat you sent me. X3
Baity: For a moment, I thought you broke 1.1billion. Upon looking at my score.dat, I can assume that you destroyed the score that is my failed (first!) 1cc attempt on my first day of playing. Congratulations.

[19:42] <Sapz> I think that's the only time I've ever seen a suicide bullet shoot its own suicide bullet

Re: Shooter games
« Reply #149 on: September 30, 2009, 10:55:33 PM »
Well, I just tried playing Dodonpachi with the blue ship while choosing to power up the laser. Bad idea. I tried the red ship and chose to power up the laser. Just as bad as an idea.

IF THIS GAME WERE TO GIVE ME THAT 20MIL LIFE I CAN 1CC THIS GAME. GOD DAMN IT! I GOT TO 19.4MIL AND I GAME OVER ON STAGE 6.

Yea, I seriously doubt people would keep saying how hard this game is if the game gave you 1 or 2 more lives to work with- hell, I bet if Touhou only gave you 3 lives, it'd be just as hard.