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[Music] GenericArrangements' Music: Track 3: Lonely Night ~ Illusionary Night

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Z_A: --- Quote ---Often the umbrella term "jazz" works for a lot of things so even if you're not sure it probably has "jazz flavours". "Jazz" itself isn't a single definable genre and "jazzy" doesn't mean anything in a technical sense (well, a musical elitist would probably get annoyed at people saying "jazzy"), but because a lot of tracks tend to have little jazz elements you may as well just call them all as "having jazzy flavours", for example. That arrangement is just straight big-band jazz though, haha. --- End quote --- Still... Is jazz about some composition patterns? Or song structure? Instruments used? Performing techniques? I can understand swing (swing is cool by the way, I like how you used it), and I know that a band playing jazz typically includes a drummer, a bassist (guitar or upright), often a guitar and a piano player, and some brass/wind. Also it seems they like crazy solos and some very high-tension harmonies. But... does any of this really define jazz as a genre? Or is there more? --- Quote ---The rondo form is structured as "ABACA", where a particular section may be repeated 3 times throughout the entire work, with the other two sections usually more contrasting. --- End quote --- I see. Indeed, this is significally different from the more common "verse against chorus" structure(-s). --- Quote ---Maybe I should try for something more drum focused in the near future. --- End quote --- Only if you are willing to ^_^ it's actually rather pleasant to hear such thought-through drum lines in songs that would stand out much less otherwise (like your #7, for instance). --- Quote ---with a certain event coming up I've been saving a few arrangement choices for later (March) --- End quote --- Oooh, is that something Touhou arrangers participate in? Can I join? --- Quote ---So, I made this, despite uh... not knowing anything about this genre of music. That was back then. I still don't know. Sounds groovy though, I think. Maybe someone with more experience in whatever this is could roast me about how bad it is tell me if it's in any right direction. --- End quote --- I'm not that sort of person, but I've got nothing to complain about: this arrangement somehow reminds me of my own Pristine Lead, although I doubt that it had any substantial influence on your work (since you say it's an older piece). But then again, at least now I can more or less determine the genre that I sometimes create arrangements in XD techno, huh... --- Quote ---That being said, I was mainly distracted by my shift to life on-campus at a university (happening in the very near future), along with my own compositions taking a hold of me for a little while. If I'm able to stick to my plans (unlikely), I'll have something fresh for March. --- End quote --- I wish you the best of luck, like usual. PS: --- Quote ---along with my own compositions taking a hold of me for a little while. --- End quote --- Any chance for us to hear them?

GenericArrangements: --- Quote from: Z_A on February 05, 2019, 02:51:18 PM ---Still... Is jazz about some composition patterns? Or song structure? Instruments used? Performing techniques? I can understand swing (swing is cool by the way, I like how you used it), and I know that a band playing jazz typically includes a drummer, a bassist (guitar or upright), often a guitar and a piano player, and some brass/wind. Also it seems they like crazy solos and some very high-tension harmonies. But... does any of this really define jazz as a genre? Or is there more? --- End quote --- Jazz is really just a very large set of subgenres that tend to have some similar compositional ideas. What typically defines any level of jazz is the composition ideas that come with it, then often the ensemble becomes important too. Structure usually doesn't mean much (you can have it freeform or verse-bridge-chorus, but it'll still be jazz), but there are certain performance techniques intended for jazz pieces, and often there's a solo section. Really it's a loose term that only refers to small or significant parts of any piece of music. --- Quote from: Z_A on February 05, 2019, 02:51:18 PM ---I see. Indeed, this is significally different from the more common "verse against chorus" structure(-s). --- End quote --- It's a structure commonly found in ragtime pieces, which means it's an older one meant for solo performances (of course that's not what I used it for here, but I never really follow rules or anything like that lol). --- Quote from: Z_A on February 05, 2019, 02:51:18 PM ---Only if you are willing to ^_^ it's actually rather pleasant to hear such thought-through drum lines in songs that would stand out much less otherwise (like your #7, for instance). --- End quote --- I've spent a disproportionate amount of time trying to understand drumlines and I've gotten to a point where I don't really think about them much but I can imagine what would vaguely sound nice in particular parts. it's actually a slight problem because i'm taking focus away from where it should be in a piece (usually) --- Quote from: Z_A on February 05, 2019, 02:51:18 PM ---Oooh, is that something Touhou arrangers participate in? Can I join? --- End quote --- It's this on Tumblr, which means uh... I'd have to start posting on Tumblr, which I usually wouldn't do but publicity is nice I guess (also that website manages to have audio streaming so we wouldn't have to post things to soundcloud first and ruin the quality). --- Quote from: Z_A on February 05, 2019, 02:51:18 PM ---I'm not that sort of person, but I've got nothing to complain about: this arrangement somehow reminds me of my own Pristine Lead, although I doubt that it had any substantial influence on your work (since you say it's an older piece). --- End quote --- I think a few instruments are similar yeah, like the organ. Very different tone though, haha. --- Quote from: Z_A on February 05, 2019, 02:51:18 PM ---But then again, at least now I can more or less determine the genre that I sometimes create arrangements in XD techno, huh... --- End quote --- Well I just put a blanket term on lol. --- Quote from: Z_A on February 05, 2019, 02:51:18 PM ---I wish you the best of luck, like usual. --- End quote --- Thanks! --- Quote from: Z_A on February 05, 2019, 02:51:18 PM ---PS: Any chance for us to hear them? --- End quote --- I don't really feel the need to post them (I usually spend more time making full arrangements of Touhou pieces anyway) but if there's a demand maybe I'll figure something out.

thehelmetguy1: These are really good! Keep up the good work!

Z_A: --- Quote ---Jazz is really just a very large set of subgenres that tend to have some similar compositional ideas. What typically defines any level of jazz is the composition ideas that come with it, then often the ensemble becomes important too. Structure usually doesn't mean much (you can have it freeform or verse-bridge-chorus, but it'll still be jazz), but there are certain performance techniques intended for jazz pieces, and often there's a solo section. Really it's a loose term that only refers to small or significant parts of any piece of music. --- End quote --- Cool! Gotta read some more, but I think I'm starting to understand. --- Quote ---I've spent a disproportionate amount of time trying to understand drumlines and I've gotten to a point where I don't really think about them much but I can imagine what would vaguely sound nice in particular parts. it's actually a slight problem because i'm taking focus away from where it should be in a piece (usually) --- End quote --- Hmm I kinda have an idea. Check the PM. --- Quote ---It's this on Tumblr, which means uh... I'd have to start posting on Tumblr, which I usually wouldn't do but publicity is nice I guess (also that website manages to have audio streaming so we wouldn't have to post things to soundcloud first and ruin the quality). --- End quote --- Uhh... does it actually mean I need to come up with new arrangements for the event specifically? Or can I post some of my older stuff that fits the topic? --- Quote ---I think a few instruments are similar yeah, like the organ. Very different tone though, haha. --- End quote --- I'd like to mention that I recognized the tune from listening to A-One and the Odyssey eurobeat arrangement, cos I'm in the dark about HRtP music. Anyway, I'd say there are also some similarities in certain lines, but only stylistically (which makes sense if those arrangements indeed share the genre). --- Quote ---I don't really feel the need to post them (I usually spend more time making full arrangements of Touhou pieces anyway) but if there's a demand maybe I'll figure something out. --- End quote --- I see. They are likely not mixed =D you don't need if you don't want to, I was just being curious.

GenericArrangements: --- Quote from: thehelmetguy1 on February 07, 2019, 01:31:36 PM ---These are really good! Keep up the good work! --- End quote --- Thanks! --- Quote from: Z_A on February 16, 2019, 05:09:45 AM ---Hmm I kinda have an idea. Check the PM. --- End quote --- I tried to send a message back but it said the user couldn't receive PMs... --- Quote from: Z_A on February 16, 2019, 05:09:45 AM ---Uhh... does it actually mean I need to come up with new arrangements for the event specifically? Or can I post some of my older stuff that fits the topic? --- End quote --- Nah just post whatever (old or new). I haven't actually posted anything myself yet but this arrangement I'm posting below will be one of them. --- Quote from: Z_A on February 16, 2019, 05:09:45 AM ---I'd like to mention that I recognized the tune from listening to A-One and the Odyssey eurobeat arrangement, cos I'm in the dark about HRtP music. Anyway, I'd say there are also some similarities in certain lines, but only stylistically (which makes sense if those arrangements indeed share the genre). --- End quote --- HRtP has a few really nice tracks, so I recommend giving a few of them a listen. --- Quote from: Z_A on February 16, 2019, 05:09:45 AM ---I see. They are likely not mixed =D you don't need if you don't want to, I was just being curious. --- End quote --- Well... yes. Mostly, anyway. I don't tend to mix my most recent things and by the time I want to post them, it's been long enough to where I start complaining about the mixing again. So in the end the only compositions that make it out are the parts of Touhou arrangements that are compositions. Anyway... I'm a day late. I'll just blame it on February for only having 28 days :P : Track 3: Lonely Night ~ Illusionary Night: LINK It's more jazz, but it's chill jazz this time. A genre of jazz I actually haven't touched, like, at all. Illusionary Night is one of those themes where I regard them as one of the best for their stage (in this case, Stage 1), but I almost never listen to it. Really, this is the case for a lot of Imperishable Night's soundtrack, because I really just don't listen to it (except for about 3 tracks, which I occasionally come back to). It's a very nice track though, and so I felt like arranging it (along with being prompted "Night" lol). I wanted to produce a tone fitting of the night time, so that hi-hat rhythm happened and everything else fell into place (sort-of. Working with that C section before the last chorus was rather tricky, and changing the chords for the chorus itself was a bit of a challenge too). I usually make very energetic pieces, or pieces with emphasised beats, so this felt like a nice change of pace. Hopefully next month I'll be on time... Once again, apologies for that.

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