Author Topic: Puzzle and Attorneys Thread 31 - 10 combos for all (Read 97300 times)

trancehime · « **Reply #810 on:** October 06, 2016, 02:34:20 PM »

Quote from: commandercool on October 02, 2016, 03:10:12 AM

Okay, yes. AGAIN, I don't disagree about red. Pardon me, but I'm really struggling to not read this as an out-of-hand dismissal of balance complaints that aren't reeeally related. Is that how you intended me to read it? "Red is the worst color therefore it I shouldn't be allowed to be bothered by the fact that Nobunaga is just a much better rarer Neptune Dragon and yet he got buffed while NepDra didn't?"

I'm not sure what you think I'm asking for here, but to be clear, I would like Gungho to stop designing their colors in such an imbalanced fashion, with the related issue that I'm unhappy with their occasional decision to make chases that are just upgraded versions of existing cards rather than distinct entities.

You said it yourself that you acknowledge Nepdra is getting a UUVO anyways, they're getting around to addressing that complaint about Nobunaga, who I reiterate is far squishier than Neptune Dragon, so I don't know how that makes him strictly better lol

I do admit that I'm a bit biased against people who swear only by a single color though.

commandercool · « **Reply #811 on:** October 06, 2016, 03:49:24 PM »

I'm not sure I ever used the term strictly better, bit if I did it was facetious. Better, yes, definitely, but strictly better is obviously almost impossible to apply in PAD. Especially across colors.

As for squishiness, Nobunaga is in a color that actually gets shields, and his much better active means he csn afford utility slots much more easily than Neptune Dragon.

The ultimate is definitely a thing, obviously. I acknowledge that I'm being very impatient, but please do bear in mind that the materials for that form, much less the form itself, don't even exist in JP yet. So it's going to be a long, looong time before we see it here. If you think that impatience is unreasonable then fair enough, but from my perspective this new form is pretty abstract at this point.

commandercool · « **Reply #812 on:** October 08, 2016, 10:05:33 PM »

Guuuuuh...

Farmed Alt Creek Of Nelius all day for the Famiel skillups. Fed a batch, nothing. Fed a batch, nothing. Looked at the last batch... They need to be evolved. FUCK.

Jq1790 · « **Reply #813 on:** October 08, 2016, 10:11:56 PM »

The boss drops are evolved, the mid-stage ones are not.

commandercool · « **Reply #814 on:** October 08, 2016, 10:27:50 PM »

Yeah, I thought that seemed a bit too easy. But I also thought they had stopped making skillup materials that needed evolving. And wasn't accounting for the Keepers. Whoops.

Jq1790 · « **Reply #815 on:** October 08, 2016, 10:45:31 PM »

Quote from: commandercool on October 08, 2016, 10:27:50 PM

Yeah, I thought that seemed a bit too easy. But I also thought they had stopped making skillup materials that needed evolving. And wasn't accounting for the Keepers. Whoops.

Hahaha, you fool, that's only for the old stuff! GH will never learn that evolving skillups should not exist because screw you and everyone else.

Hikarin · « **Reply #816 on:** October 09, 2016, 06:26:26 PM »

Is 9 rows decent for an AI&I team?[attach=1]

commandercool · « **Reply #817 on:** October 09, 2016, 06:47:22 PM »

Yes. Nine rows is pretty decent for any kind of team. Pair that up with a Ryune and you should be in business (although I'm a little dubious of Navi as a sub on a team that already has a heartmaker despite her amazing awakenings).

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #818 on:** October 09, 2016, 08:11:52 PM »

Quote from: Hikari on October 09, 2016, 06:26:26 PM

Is 9 rows decent for an AI&I team?[attach=1]

Having nine rows is decent.

Having only one card on the entire team that makes water orbs is not.

Zengar Zombolt · « **Reply #819 on:** October 09, 2016, 08:26:14 PM »

Quote from: Hikari on October 09, 2016, 06:26:26 PM

Is 9 rows decent for an AI&I team?[attach=1]

To add to people's opinions, I'd say that Sakuya's presence is also kinda sketchy since she has at best two TPAs in terms of offensive awakenings so at best she's a stat stick with a gravity?

Hikarin · « **Reply #820 on:** October 09, 2016, 08:35:58 PM »

Quote from: Zengar Zombolt on October 09, 2016, 08:26:14 PM

To add to people's opinions, I'd say that Sakuya's presence is also kinda sketchy since she has at best two TPAs in terms of offensive awakenings so at best she's a stat stick with a gravity?

You hit the nail on the head. I don't have too many water monsters overall, so I'm just dumping in stuff with rows and decent stats after that. Here's the rest of my water stuff:
[attach=1]

Oops. Forgot I had Sarasvati. That aside, I don't have a ton to work with anyways.

commandercool · « **Reply #821 on:** October 09, 2016, 08:38:40 PM »

Oh is that Sakuya? I didn't know who I thought she was but I didn't assume she was Sakuya. Yeah, don't run her. Especially if you have Snow White. Replace her with something that makes blue, preferably a heartbreaker. Even if it has to be Siegfried, that would be preferable to Sakuya.

An ideal version of this might be I&I/Snow White/Gabe/Hermes/Alrescha/Ryune or something, but you could definitely use farmable options like Siegfried and/or Kamui if necessary. But you definitely don't need that many heartmakers, you definitely do want a heartbreaker, and you definitely don't want Sakuya.

Hikarin · « **Reply #822 on:** October 09, 2016, 09:05:52 PM »

Yeah I'll use Siegfried instead of Sakuya because he's my only blue Heartbreaker. Still need to evo and level him, though.
I kinda just want to learn to use teams other than L/R and L/D Pollux, since I literally only use those two. My main problem is that I simply don't have the subs to use these alternative teams.

EDIT: Okay, so testing this team with a Blodin Helper showed some pretty okay results, except in cases when Awakenings are nullified. That gets a little messy. I just about cleared floor 4/6 on Seraphis, which is still bad, but better than I expected.

commandercool · « **Reply #823 on:** October 09, 2016, 10:08:28 PM »

Always just pair with Ryune. Ryune is best friend lead for like all things.

Hikarin · « **Reply #824 on:** October 09, 2016, 11:05:10 PM »

I would, but I have no Ryune friends, mostly because I don't consistently use Water stuff. I have Water stuff up like once every few days.

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #825 on:** October 09, 2016, 11:08:13 PM »

Even better, use Y'shtola.

Ryune -> Y'Shtola = 2/3rds blue board. Ask anyone here that does Michael -> Sylvie how damaging it is. (very)

commandercool · « **Reply #826 on:** October 09, 2016, 11:58:11 PM »

Quote from: Hikari on October 09, 2016, 11:05:10 PM

I would, but I have no Ryune friends, mostly because I don't consistently use Water stuff. I have Water stuff up like once every few days.

Well if you ever want to test it out send me a message and I can put my Ryune up. Or even better, we can co-op. I bet once you get awakenings and levels on these guys we can clear just about anything short of Cataclysm stuff.

Hikarin · « **Reply #827 on:** October 10, 2016, 01:43:00 AM »

That would be nice. I still need to make some modifications to the team so that it dishes a bit more damage than 190%. I'm considering using Sarasvati in place of some monster, but I still need to figure out what. Sarasvati has 2 rows, which is decentish.

Also I should update my PADherder.

commandercool · « **Reply #828 on:** October 10, 2016, 02:19:53 AM »

My Gabriel team only has eight rows and it one-shots pretty much all the things, and with a lower base modifier. Although it does have a higher maximum multiplier. But definitely don't underestimate the damage potential of even a modest numbers of rows. It's not all about stacking crazy numbers of rows, especially if you have a damage enhance. Which you do.

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #829 on:** October 10, 2016, 04:06:35 AM »

Even even better, get this guy or this guy. They are better than suckuya.

commandercool · « **Reply #830 on:** October 10, 2016, 04:11:13 AM »

Quote from: OverlordChirei on October 10, 2016, 04:06:35 AM

Even even better, get this guy or this guy. They are better than suckuya.

Or ~~this guy~~.

:colonveeplusalpha:

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #831 on:** October 10, 2016, 04:24:02 AM »

Quote from: commandercool on October 10, 2016, 04:11:13 AM

Or ~~this guy~~.

:colonveeplusalpha:

no water orb generation

commandercool · « **Reply #832 on:** October 10, 2016, 04:38:07 AM »

Well that, and going from x3.75 with a recovery bonus to a conditional x4 is a horrible use of an entire sub. If it wasn't clear, that was a goof, do not attempt to use Beyzul.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #833 on:** October 10, 2016, 05:57:37 AM »

19% for ranking dungeon is good enough for me. Something about this team just triggers me and I'd like to never use Isis as a lead ever again

commandercool · « **Reply #834 on:** October 10, 2016, 07:11:08 AM »

Yeah, I got 19% as well first try. Now I'm back in that "There are no more rewards from higher tiers I want but maybe I should try to do better just to do better" position.

Zengar Zombolt · « **Reply #835 on:** October 10, 2016, 01:06:22 PM »

I got a lucky run landing me in about 8% but that was day one and I was unable to replicate its success so I slowly slid down to about 14%. :negative:

commandercool · « **Reply #836 on:** October 10, 2016, 02:28:17 PM »

Oh crap, I didn't realize it was over already. I had meant to try it today originally. Guess I'm glad I had stamina to blow last night. That's what I get for putting it off.

Ended at 20.5%. Guess I can accept that for 50 stamina.

Chaore · « **Reply #837 on:** October 10, 2016, 07:15:17 PM »

19%. Wanted to go for 10%, but it was so short I didn't have real time too honestly

hyorinryu · « **Reply #838 on:** October 11, 2016, 08:31:54 PM »

Quote from: commandercool on October 10, 2016, 04:38:07 AM

Well that, and going from x3.75 with a recovery bonus to a conditional x4 is a horrible use of an entire sub. If it wasn't clear, that was a goof, do not attempt to use Beyzul.

I'm wondering now, are there any cards eligible for skill inherits that let you switch your leader with a sub?

commandercool · « **Reply #839 on:** October 11, 2016, 08:57:35 PM »

No. As far as I know the only REM card with leader swap is New Year Tengu and he's a four-star.

If there was a way to do that you would see it on every team because it would be the best thing in the game. Probably good it's not possible.