Puzzle and Attorneys Thread 31 - 10 combos for all

[commandercool]

Any chance anybody wants to co-op farm Jormungandr later for any reason? I need a bunch of skillups on him for Fenrir, but he drops pretty decent +eggs as well.

[Monarda]

Any chance anybody wants to co-op farm Jormungandr later for any reason? I need a bunch of skillups on him for Fenrir, but he drops pretty decent +eggs as well.

Two birds with one stone, when ?

[commandercool]

Two birds with one stone, when ?

Later. Probably in the 7-10 PM EST zone if you're available.

[Monarda]

So 8-10 PM for me, i think i will be available, just keep in mind i have a new phone, so i am still getting used to it.

[Monarda]

@Commander: Sorry, i overslept and missed it, i hope you found someone else.

[commandercool]

It happens I guess. I didn't end up partnering with anyone else because it was too late at night for me to commit by the time I was sure you weren't going to show up, but that's partly my fault for giving such a large range of times.

[OverlordChirei]

hey ccool is gabe worth 50 stones

[Jq1790]

It's ccool, he'd probably say Gabe is worth 250, heh.

[commandercool]

hey ccool is gabe worth 50 stones

Depends a bit on what else you have. If you intend to use him as a sub and already have Andromedumb, which I believe you do, prooobably not unless you need him for a team where her active breaks your activation or something. If you intend to use him as a lead you'd better make it 50 stones and 250k MP because he really needs Charite to be truly endgame-ready, but in that case probably.

If you're asking what I personally would pay for a second Gabriel, it's a lot.

[OverlordChirei]

Depends a bit on what else you have. If you intend to use him as a sub and already have Andromedumb, which I believe you do, prooobably not unless you need him for a team where her active breaks your activation or something. If you intend to use him as a lead you'd better make it 50 stones and 250k MP because he really needs Charite to be truly endgame-ready, but in that case probably.

I didn't have him, so i'm pretty much rounding out blue at this point.

If you're asking what I personally would pay for a second Gabriel, it's a lot.

50 stones? 500? 65535?

[commandercool]

I didn't have him, so i'm pretty much rounding out blue at this point.

In that case I'd say a lot of it depends on if there's a lead you like a lot who can't make use of Garbage Waifu. If there isn't and you don't plan to lead with him then you're probably fine. In a vacuum I'd say Andromeda's higher HP is prooobably more valuable to fill your orbchange-that-makes-enhanced-hearts slot for an average team.

50 stones? 500? 65535?

If Gungho approached me right now and said they would comp me a Gabriel I would probably pay as much as 100 or so stones for one. Just because husbando is not perfect without doubling up on his own skill and that bothers me, not necessarily because it's THAT valuable. I mean, it is valuable for a stall team to be as tamper-proof as possible, but that's a fairly small add.

And if they were like "Nope, 100 stones not enough, give 150" I probably would...

[Dr Rawr]

Wow looking at awoken kushinada her multipliers are actually great. Anyone got any ideas on what kind of team you could run?

[trancehime]

Wow looking at awoken kushinada her multipliers are actually great. Anyone got any ideas on what kind of team you could run?

vishnu, meimei, sylvie, stuff like that.

[OverlordChirei]

You are one thousand years too early to face me with that mockery. Let me show you REAL power.



CROSS ON!!!



11 COMBOS!!!

[Hikarin]

How hard (roughly) is X? Legend was nearly the easiest Descend I have ever done, so I assume X wouldn't be much harder than that.

[commandercool]

It's very easy.

[Hikarin]

Cool cool. I'll do that and then have to wait for Ana so I can get my Typhon Armor.

[commandercool]

Ooh, Seraphis up for several days. I'm looking to farm him a bit if anyone else is interested in co-op.

[Hikarin]

I would, but my Gabe team is undeveloped, I have no NepDra, and I literally can't clear it with any of my other teams excepting maybe some niche Typhon team or Australis team (ignore the fact that I run Pollux, yet another niche team).[/whine]

http://puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1709
So um. How is this obtained?
Nevermind I just did my research.

[commandercool]

Does Mion seem legit really really good to anyone else? As much as it's kind of an obvious lame strategy she seems great at the whole resist tank setup with Courage. Very solid multiplier, minimal sub restrictions, and a huge resistance value seem good, she has non-terrible HP, and even excellent awakenings for that role. Seems like yet another team that more or less just outclasses Archangels. 

[trancehime]

Does Mion seem legit really really good to anyone else? As much as it's kind of an obvious lame strategy she seems great at the whole resist tank setup with Courage. Very solid multiplier, minimal sub restrictions, and a huge resistance value seem good, she has non-terrible HP, and even excellent awakenings for that role. Seems like yet another team that more or less just outclasses Archangels.

she's just Waifu Nepdra with lower multiplier but super tanky versus Water/Wood.

Also an arguably better active but it depends on how powerful her Poison is

[commandercool]

Yeah, she's basically just a slightly worse mashup of both of my main teams together. She doesn't get to use her puppeteer as a damage enhance as well since she has to change enemies to a color she isn't super effective against unlike Gabriel, and she doesn't spike as hard as NepDra, but being a massive tank that can still basically one-shot everything is plenty good enough.

Her main weaknesses as I see it are an active deficit (between Pure and two poisons you only get three actives to both stall and burst with, which is not a lot) and reliance on Pure to tank meaning that if she ends up having to rush she could be in trouble. But of course there will be plenty of dungeons where you don't need to bring Pure at all and can just burst until you reach a floor to stall on.

[commandercool]

So now that it's been out for a while can we talk about how skill inheritance has effected the game?

There was a time when I assumed I would be putting extra skills on everything, but now I'm looking for excuses not to put extra skills on things for the most part. With the exception of duplicate skills to dodge cooldown reduction or some niche cases of strictly better skills (like putting Force on Awoken Orochi) it's more of an annoyance than a help most of the time. Sometimes the extra flexibility is worth the annoyance, but other times it's just an annoying thing to keep track of.

There's no question that it helps some teams squeeze in the extra utility active they need, fixes the crappy actives of some cards (Awoken Shiva) and gives some cards interesting new roles (like cleric Awoken Ra), but the number of things that I actually want skills inherited onto is fairly small. Which is good, that's interesting game design. It's a tool and not a necessity and I like that.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

I use skills so aggressively that I have yet, to this day, to activate an inherited skill.

[OverlordChirei]

So now that it's been out for a while can we talk about how skill inheritance has effected the game?

I have seen three cases for this. I currently only use 1 and 2.

1) Is the skill a strictly better version or even the same skill? (Squall on Femme) Do you not use the former card? The choice here is very easy if both are "Yes." This is most of my inherits and an application that you cannot lose at even if you are an idiot or casual player.

2) Is there some dungeon that is so absurdly stupid that you are willing to overwrite a skill of some existing party member just to have a chance as well as spend 2m coins? Then you probably need to inherit, and where most of the creativity with this system exists.

3) This is probably a subset of 2). You are using some (probably cookie cutter) inherit spam farm build with ALB or something. This is sadly, the dominant case in the playerbase as a whole.

[Jq1790]

I wonder if I'd use LMeta again somewhere if I had Light Dragon Knight...?  Speaking of strictly better actives I mean.

Reminds me I need to figure out a team comp that will let me use the Sadal/W.Dragon Knight combo I put together a while back, but that mostly comes down to somehow replacing DMeta for Karin which is really hard for me to do.

I might be able to consider it if I hyper my shiny new Carat though since apparently she is B/D...

[commandercool]

Yaaay!

[The Greatest Dog]

now when are you gonna evolve Gainaut?

[commandercool]

Well, I need three red fruits, so I can get those tomorrow, then I just need to find a Volcano Dragon and collect some samurai. Theoretically fairly soon, depends on when Gran pops up next I guess.

Actually are there good rates on the 'Lil dragons in alts? Seems like there would be.

[The Greatest Dog]

So some notable things apparently
LZL is now the third unit (others being Godin and Godindora) that can clear Awakening Binds, as well as clearing normal binds and healing about 20,186 HP at +99 RCV (23720 at 5 RCV latents).
Lumiel and Famiel deal true damage to all enemies instead of a single target.

Archangels v2 subs for life.

E: Twin uvos for Kanna. The sub version gets 4 TPAs and 2 Bind Resist so here i am looking at my Fenrir team with a replaceable Amaterasu