Author Topic: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta (Read 140436 times)

Chaore · « **Reply #840 on:** March 31, 2016, 11:53:46 PM »

Quote from: Hikari on March 31, 2016, 10:52:05 PM

"Guess I better do something with those 20 stones I have. 2 rolls today, 2 tomorrow."
[30-day consecutive bonus! 5 stones received.]
[Event bonus! 1 stone received]
"Make that three today."
*rolls* Laila "Ugh, Flame Gala junk... At least she's not horrible. She's an orb-switcher."
*rolls* Leilan "Not the best, not the worst. Not the luckiest, not the unluckiest (referencing how she's part of both events, at a combined 9x chance)"
*rolls* Belial "And that goes towards my LINKA fund."

Maybe I'll nail something better tomorrow :derp:

...please tell me you atleast have a dupe belial if you sold that.

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #841 on:** April 01, 2016, 12:21:37 AM »

Quote from: Hikari on March 31, 2016, 10:52:05 PM

"Guess I better do something with those 20 stones I have. 2 rolls today, 2 tomorrow."
[30-day consecutive bonus! 5 stones received.]
[Event bonus! 1 stone received]
"Make that three today."
*rolls* Laila "Ugh, Flame Gala junk... At least she's not horrible. She's an orb-switcher."
*rolls* Leilan "Not the best, not the worst. Not the luckiest, not the unluckiest (referencing how she's part of both events, at a combined 9x chance)"
*rolls* Belial "And that goes towards my LINKA fund."

Maybe I'll nail something better tomorrow :derp:

Galas and Godfests do not multiply their rates.

Hikarin · « **Reply #842 on:** April 01, 2016, 12:36:02 AM »

Quote from: OverlordChirei on April 01, 2016, 12:21:37 AM

Galas and Godfests do not multiply their rates.

Thank you, noted.

Quote from: Chaore on March 31, 2016, 11:53:46 PM

...please tell me you atleast have a dupe belial if you sold that.

Honestly, I didn't really care much for it because I have no need for him as a leader (buffs things I don't have ANY of, [except for Physical, and I don't use physicals ever]) and I don't feel the need for a counter. It just doesn't ... feel right? I dunno, counters aren't my thing; I prefer combo-based damage, like from my Pollux, and as a slightly lesser example, DL Maple. I'm not saying counters are a waste of time or anything, I just don't really like the idea of a counter in this game. It doesn't flow with me, I guess.

So LS: not worth it to me, kind of like unevolved Leilan, who only procs on Wd/Lt/Fr attacks all at once (in that case, I'm totally keeping for once I UEvo into, say, Awoken Leilan or something with a similar LS[i think that's the only one])
AS: I'd rather have a defense boost for 3-4 turns, not a counter.

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #843 on:** April 01, 2016, 12:40:32 AM »

Belial is the only monster in the game that changes Wood -> Fire without changing a secondary color, he's also bind immune and has 3 Fire Rows.

He is an absolutely phenomenal Fire Row Sub, especially if you can skill him up (which is no longer impossible in NA).

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #844 on:** April 01, 2016, 12:41:28 AM »

Belial is an awesome Leilan sub...

commandercool · « **Reply #845 on:** April 01, 2016, 12:45:10 AM »

Don't ever sell anything that isn't a duplicate unless you really, really need the MP right away for something. You never know what it's going to become with buffs. But yeah, Belial is solid as hell right now. Even counter, which is a total afterthought and not why you use him at all, has some niche use for killing Resolve enemies.

Jq1790 · « **Reply #846 on:** April 01, 2016, 12:54:14 AM »

Hikari: Rule of thumb, even if you don't think you'll use it later, if it's a 5*+ card and not a dupe(or one of several silvers like fairy tale girls, Dragon Swordsmen, etc), keep at least one. You never know if you'll find some use for em later or wanna make a different team for variety.

Speaking of awesome Leilan subs though, I apparently had four stones counting my inbox ones. One Coin!Rare Evo Rush stone and subsequent pull later...

Worth iiiiiiiit!

Hikarin · « **Reply #847 on:** April 01, 2016, 12:58:21 AM »

I see

:derp:

Anyways, I'm still not 100% regretting it. Only about 60%.
I guess my thing is that it's more a matter of how often/when I'll use it. I just didn't really feel I'd ever have a need for him at the time, and only sort of feel like he would be useful now. I just don't feel like investing as much as is necessary to make him a good sub. a UUEvo, plus full TAMAs would probably take months upon months for me, and while sure, it's PAD, you grind, at that point I would completely forget I even had him.

Monarda · « **Reply #848 on:** April 01, 2016, 01:28:14 AM »

That's not really true, remember :

Tamadra Dungeons appear somewhat often, you can also get them from other dungeons, rewards or even the PEM.
For the materials, it isn't as troublesome as you think, i haven't been playing PAD for long, maybe 2 months ? But if i wanted to UEvo my LKali i could do it right now, Evo Mats can be obtained through many ways ! Needs some Mystic Masks ? Go do Ocean of Heaven, lacking some Color Dragon Fruits ? You can get some at the PEM at a pretty decent rate, going for the Jewels ? Every now and then the Chinese Girls appear and you can also find their invades on Descends at times, also PEM.
And you'll never know when will you dig through your box to try and find that one card which would finally have it's use, Edible can attest to that, after all, he (or his drunken self at least) accidentally sold a card that later came as a problem to him.

Tl;dr : Never underestimate a card, it's Ls sucks ? Use as a Sub ! AS isn't that great ? Combo it with another one ! It's still not of much use ? A new UEvo can quickly change that ! And besides, if it's not a REM, it WILL BE a Evo Material, maybe not now, but it will. (*cough* Zaerog *cough*)

Long Post is Long

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #849 on:** April 01, 2016, 01:32:05 AM »

Quote from: Hikari on April 01, 2016, 12:58:21 AM

Anyways, I'm still not 100% regretting it. Only about 60%.
I guess my thing is that it's more a matter of how often/when I'll use it. I just didn't really feel I'd ever have a need for him at the time, and only sort of feel like he would be useful now. I just don't feel like investing as much as is necessary to make him a good sub. a UUEvo, plus full TAMAs would probably take months upon months for me, and while sure, it's PAD, you grind, at that point I would completely forget I even had him.

I'll have to disagree. Yes it takes some time, but had I taken your way of doing things I wouldn't have my absolutely top-tier Vishnu team.

Or my Super tanky and stally AHorus team.

I mean, yes, your stuff now may not seem like you'll use it much. Then you roll more stuff and suddenly you find yourself having a very good and top-tier team of your choosing.

Or at least that's what happened to me in... oh like six of my teams.

Hikarin · « **Reply #850 on:** April 01, 2016, 02:32:22 AM »

Gonna stop making excuses

Anyways, lesson learned.

Chaore · « **Reply #851 on:** April 01, 2016, 02:36:41 AM »

Quote from: Hikari on April 01, 2016, 02:32:22 AM

Anyways, lesson learned.

That's really the most important part, since you can't really take it back. Just try not to make the same mistake twice.

commandercool · « **Reply #852 on:** April 01, 2016, 02:58:07 AM »

I mean it's not like you threw away, say, Gabriel or something important. If you're going to make a mistake you may as well make a small mistake. :derp:

Legendary Snowy Valley challenge mode is driving me crazy. It's not that it seems impossible (although I don't know, maybe I'm underestimating stalling on Ilsix for a long time) it's just that it takes so long to lose when I lose...

I'm putting out a call for any and all information anyone has on challenge clear for it. Teams, strategies, things to keep in mind. I can't just bash my head into this until I figure it out like I did with Lifive. It just takes too long.

Suikama · « **Reply #853 on:** April 01, 2016, 03:13:02 AM »

I think I've spent over 1000 stam on lifive tries

I don't even care anymore

commandercool · « **Reply #854 on:** April 01, 2016, 03:28:12 AM »

Yeah I gotta say I don't think I could've handled Lifive without a blue rows team. He just has a too much HP and gives you too little time to kill him.

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #855 on:** April 01, 2016, 03:43:02 AM »

to drain your wallet from 4/4 to 4/17

Suikama · « **Reply #856 on:** April 01, 2016, 03:46:36 AM »

Quote from: commandercool on April 01, 2016, 03:28:12 AM

Yeah I gotta say I don't think I could've handled Lifive without a blue rows team. He just has a too much HP and gives you too little time to kill him.

I'm using Andromeda

Ive beaten angelion once and then failed to ohko lifive and died

commandercool · « **Reply #857 on:** April 01, 2016, 04:25:41 AM »

How many damage enchances are you using? I used both Blodin and AI&I. I popped I&I on Angelion and Blodin on Lifive, with a turn of I&I enhance remaining. My team had 6x attack, two rows, and 15(?) row enhances. I'll be honest and say I wasn't really paying that much attention when I bursted Lifive so I don't know how much I overkilled him by, if any.

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #858 on:** April 01, 2016, 04:30:45 AM »

Quote from: commandercool on April 01, 2016, 04:25:41 AM

How many damage enchances are you using? I used both Blodin and AI&I. I popped I&I on Angelion and Blodin on Lifive, with a turn of I&I enhance remaining. My team had 6x attack, two rows, and 15(?) row enhances. I'll be honest and say I wasn't really paying that much attention when I bursted Lifive so I don't know how much I overkilled him by, if any.

It's probably less that and the fact that because he is using Andromeda, he HAS to kill Lifive in one turn because I don't think he would have enough health to survive the next hit, which is why I used Nut.

commandercool · « **Reply #859 on:** April 01, 2016, 05:05:15 AM »

I wouldn't plan on taking any Lifive hits since he gives himself a large combo shield on the first turn and that seems like it creates too much opportunity for things to go wrong. Maybe he's just too bulky to kill outside of extremely optimal circumstances and most people may have no choice but to deal with it, but I'd say going for the one-shot kill should be the goal if at all possible.

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #860 on:** April 01, 2016, 06:05:25 AM »

Quote from: commandercool on April 01, 2016, 05:05:15 AM

I wouldn't plan on taking any Lifive hits since he gives himself a large combo shield on the first turn and that seems like it creates too much opportunity for things to go wrong. Maybe he's just too bulky to kill outside of extremely optimal circumstances and most people may have no choice but to deal with it, but I'd say going for the one-shot kill should be the goal if at all possible.

What I banked on going into the fight was at least doing 75% of his health, which I did handily. From there I can definitely still do 6+ combo if I do one row, and I ended up finishing him under the 500K damage shield, even. It's definitely another way to do it, but you need to know what you hit.

Edible · « **Reply #861 on:** April 01, 2016, 11:10:19 AM »

PAD Academy refresh might be pretty hype now if they removed the junk and replaced it with the new cards

Suikama · « **Reply #862 on:** April 01, 2016, 11:43:52 AM »

Really gungho ANOTHER KALI?

Also wow what an SS Isis buff >_>

They didn't even bother drawing new art, they just gave her a ponytail which makes her look more like Nep than Isis now

commandercool · « **Reply #863 on:** April 01, 2016, 12:49:08 PM »

Wow, the new fairy tale girls suck. They are way worse than the normal ones outside of some very niche applications.

Why is the new Theurgia a five-star? Wasn't Christmas Paulina four stars? Beach Armadel pretty much confirmed, but hopefully she's not even more rare...

Meanwhile, I've been sitting on full pal points for like four days waiting for enhance carnival, but it's just rare monster carnival! That's the worst of all possible carnivals!

Hikarin · « **Reply #864 on:** April 01, 2016, 01:06:58 PM »

So. After all of that, I rolled another four times, and got a Maeda, another Snow White, another Verd, and an I&I. Out of the two duplicates I rolled, what should I do with them? Are there teams that benefit from two of those things, or should I skill-up with them (3x event), or just sell them?

I'm talking about Snow White and Verd, just to make that clear.

commandercool · « **Reply #865 on:** April 01, 2016, 01:12:08 PM »

Sell them. Those aren't really cards that work well in multiples (some people will disagree with me on Verdandi, but I'm strongly against stacking three-color board changes) and no skillup is worth that many monster points.

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #866 on:** April 01, 2016, 01:17:48 PM »

Quote from: commandercool on April 01, 2016, 01:12:08 PM

Sell them. Those aren't really cards that work well in multiples (some people will disagree with me on Verdandi, but I'm strongly against stacking three-color board changes) and no skillup is worth that many monster points.

Verdandi may be a good skill inherit onto Leilan, but that's only for the dedicated, I think.

Quote from: commandercool on April 01, 2016, 12:49:08 PM

Wow, the new fairy tale girls suck. They are way worse than the normal ones outside of some very niche applications.

Why is the new Theurgia a five-star? Wasn't Christmas Paulina four stars? Beach Armadel pretty much confirmed, but hopefully she's not even more rare...

This along with two repeat characters really baffled me. GH is really losing it. Apparently even JP has complained about Kali and Sakuya stealing more of the spotlight as well.

Athena UUVO(Awoken?) School ver. is the only real solid thing that came out of this. Everything else was just kinda sad. I want to like the new fairytale girls but losing the heartmake is a giant dealbreaker, and the game is very weird in that going from 2->3 turns of bind cleared is such a bigger deal compared from going to 3->4(sorry ame).

Hikarin · « **Reply #867 on:** April 01, 2016, 01:21:50 PM »

Cool, that's what I was hoping. Well, I'm off!
Actually, because I'm not sure about this, should I swap my Gold Keeper with Maeda once I level him up? I'm trying to drop the Keeper off of my team, but for the stats and AS, I'm considering Takkun for the Pollux Synergy and TPA, but I could start my combo with Maeda, then use Sunrich > Pollux > Two Mystic Masks.

Yes, my team kinda sucks. I just try to get 3 5+ linked orb combos after that, because if the LS. Just to point out that I'm not fullboarding while I have a Pollux.

Suikama · « **Reply #868 on:** April 01, 2016, 01:59:13 PM »

Quote from: commandercool on April 01, 2016, 12:49:08 PM

Wow, the new fairy tale girls suck. They are way worse than the normal ones outside of some very niche applications.

Why is the new Theurgia a five-star? Wasn't Christmas Paulina four stars? Beach Armadel pretty much confirmed, but hopefully she's not even more rare...

Meanwhile, I've been sitting on full pal points for like four days waiting for enhance carnival, but it's just rare monster carnival! That's the worst of all possible carnivals!

wait really they skipped enhance

I'm so done with this game

commandercool · « **Reply #869 on:** April 01, 2016, 02:06:32 PM »

Actually I will say this for the new fairy tale girls, their active does have applications for skill inheritance since it fills two niches at once. It does kind of a bad job of both of them, but that could be relevant. Maybe. And unlike the good fairy tales it doesn't break rainbow boards.