Author Topic: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta (Read 140426 times)

Suikama · « **Reply #120 on:** March 01, 2016, 04:06:10 PM »

Quote from: Edible on March 01, 2016, 03:46:28 PM

I read the above statement as:

Need coffee.

LEWD

Espadas · « **Reply #121 on:** March 01, 2016, 04:09:31 PM »

That is why i only roll during Midnight Gala or PCGF.... need to maximize my chances.
That is also why i would have been ok with something like Vector Finn or Hanzo, forget Eschamali, DKali and the likes.

I'm just pissed off that the ONE time all the planets of the solar system were aligned (midnight gala + 4x + all the gfe i miss in the same day) it's exactly when i get my WORST rolls ever....

commandercool · « **Reply #122 on:** March 01, 2016, 04:15:23 PM »

Quote from: King Suikama on March 01, 2016, 04:06:10 PM

LEWD

Not as lewd as putting all your eggs in two Bastets.

:V

Aoshi-shi · « **Reply #123 on:** March 01, 2016, 04:21:15 PM »

Got another Anubis.

Do I need two? :V

Suikama · « **Reply #124 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:03:21 PM »

No cause he's supposed to be the ONE true god

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #125 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:10:26 PM »

Quote from: Aoshi-shi on March 01, 2016, 04:21:15 PM

Got another Anubis.

Do I need two? :V

I actually wanted another so I can have awoken and d/l

Instead I yolod another urd. Pad is trying to get me to play cookie clicker

Espadas · « **Reply #126 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:12:26 PM »

Quote from: OverlordChirei on March 01, 2016, 05:10:26 PM

I actually wanted another so I can have awoken and d/l

Instead I yolod another urd. Pad is trying to get me to play cookie clicker

Any reason to want D/L over D/D? For the Attacker sub-type? As far as awakening goes i think D/D got the better upgrade.... (mainly because i can't see myself ever using him in coop)

Suikama · « **Reply #127 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:44:54 PM »

DL is still viable becuase 8 combos is way easier to do than 9. Most boards have a max of 8 combos so 9 combo often needs a lot of luck

The Greatest Dog · « **Reply #128 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:52:17 PM »

Man
Even though I obliterated most of my GFEs, silvers, dupes, and Sarasvati, I couldn't annihilate an entire color from my box.

How do people play Fenrir? Or will I need three more copies of him to be viable?

Espadas · « **Reply #129 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:55:02 PM »

I assumed he was talking about Anubis as a sub.... as Leader, yes D/L is "easier" (Anubis and easier in the same sentence? :derp:)

Btw, I decided to rack up the stones from coin dungeons for one more roll.....

DARK KALI

MY GF HAS BEEN SAVED! :toot:

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #130 on:** March 01, 2016, 06:00:29 PM »

Quote from: Espadas on March 01, 2016, 05:12:26 PM

Any reason to want D/L over D/D? For the Attacker sub-type? As far as awakening goes i think D/D got the better upgrade.... (mainly because i can't see myself ever using him in coop)

Awoken in 7x6 and sub

Dl for lead

Monarda · « **Reply #131 on:** March 01, 2016, 06:04:34 PM »

"Is anyone still using healers ?"
*Looks at box*
Well, 1,2,3, Wukong' new UEvo is also a healer, so 4, Kali also turns into a Healer,5, add Snow White and the Amaterasu Helpers, i guess i use healers. :V

Quote from: Espadas on March 01, 2016, 05:55:02 PM

DARK KALI :toot:

Two sides from the same coin u.u (LKali still best Kali *-*). :toot:

commandercool · « **Reply #132 on:** March 01, 2016, 06:08:28 PM »

I use a ton of healers, technically, but the fact that they're healers doesn't matter that much. It's not a case of "nobody uses any cards with healer typing" and more a case of "healer-based teams are not very common".

The main one right now seems to be Amaterasu. I know a lot of people love her, but I'm not convinced she's that good of a lead.

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #133 on:** March 01, 2016, 06:44:13 PM »

3 rolls:

> Dupe Grape Dragon
> Dupe Ra
> Dupe Unicorn Rider

Sell all the things.

Moogs Parfait · « **Reply #134 on:** March 01, 2016, 07:10:33 PM »

What are your criteria for a good lead?

commandercool · « **Reply #135 on:** March 01, 2016, 07:26:06 PM »

Quote from: Moogs Parfait on March 01, 2016, 07:10:33 PM

What are your criteria for a good lead?

I feel like we've had this conversation before, but maybe not. Or maybe things have changed since last time.

Pretty much just "has effective synergy" which I'm not convinced Amaterasu does. Her unique selling point is that she has a ton of auto-recovery, but because of the way her leader skilll works she requires you to already be playing a team with high recovery. That means you re going to be either wasting her healing from her leader skill or wasting your natural recovery, or sometimes both. And her active compounds that by piling on even more healing, and a bind cler for a team that already has bind-immune leaders and probably a ton of heart rows. It just seems like bad math to me. She just inundates you with one resource, and it's not a resource that helps you win the game.

Now granted I'm thinking of her purely in terms of dual Amaterasus and I don't actually know that that's how she's used. Does she typically pair with something other than a second Amaterasu?

If I'm wrong about any of this please let me know. I haven't ever really used her (I don't own her) so maybe I'm overlooking something major.

The Greatest Dog · « **Reply #136 on:** March 01, 2016, 07:39:19 PM »

as someone who owns Awoken Amaterasu, but does not have her hypermax
and LZL, who is hypermax

LZL and Ammy make a nice pair, bringing the damage range from 9-16 to 7.25-20

His second dong helps, too, since Ammy is lacking in ATK as well.

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #137 on:** March 01, 2016, 07:52:09 PM »

Down an unknown road, to embrace my fate,
Though that road may wander, it will lead me to you.
And a thousand years would be worth the wait,
It might take a lifetime but somehow I'll see it through...

And I won't look back, I can go the distance.
And I'll stay on track, no, I won't accept defeat!
It's an uphill slope, but I won't lose hope...

'Til I go the distance, and my journey is complete!

commandercool · « **Reply #138 on:** March 01, 2016, 07:54:18 PM »

[evangelion]Congratulations![/evangelion]

Espadas · « **Reply #139 on:** March 01, 2016, 07:55:23 PM »

As far as i've seen, dual Ammy plays like a "reverse" of the old Lucifer tank team.

While Luci tanked hits with his huge HP pool and healed back, Ammy simply is literally invincible unless the boss hits for more than the team's HP, since she autoheal to full every turn.

While Luci got near the rage points and unleashed gravity+nukes, Ammy get near and then burst them down with Light rows (A.Venus and DQ are core members)

EDIT: SUPER CONGRATS CHIREI! Now we wait for your little floral pixie to do the same.....

commandercool · « **Reply #140 on:** March 01, 2016, 08:01:27 PM »

Yeah I think I understand how it's supposed to work, that just sounds kind of weak to me. I don't know, how much HP does that kind of team have?

I guess Raphael probably helps a ton though. He has decent HP, makes up for Amaterasu's lack of rows, and shields her shitty HP in emergencies. His heart board is totally wasted on her, but it's the least of his powers.

Monarda · « **Reply #141 on:** March 01, 2016, 08:09:18 PM »

Everytime someone talks about Raphael i think that it's me, even though my name is spelled with an f.
And Ammy's HP isn't that shitty, also it there a light card with poison ? It would be fun to poison a boss and slowly wait until he dies .

commandercool · « **Reply #142 on:** March 01, 2016, 08:14:24 PM »

There's no way for an Amaterasu team to have good stats overall. It's akready wastibg so much weighted statage on useless RCV that you'd need all Physical/Healers to have good HP, and at that point you'll have horrible attack. Not to mention that you need to fit rows (apparently), orbchanges, and probably a damahe enhance in there.

If your goal is to grind things out with poison, which already isn't very viable because so many bosses are immune to status, you may as well just lead with Raphael and be guaranteed good HP.

Monarda · « **Reply #143 on:** March 01, 2016, 09:10:18 PM »

I see what you mean, i dunno, there are tons of cards out there, so someone might be able to make a healer team with some work.

And it almost seemed like you had a thing against healers for while to me. But you love Gabriel so...

Moogs Parfait · « **Reply #144 on:** March 01, 2016, 09:10:48 PM »

I asked what your requirements were because I didn't have any metric. I didn't know if it was beating Arena or Challenge dungeons or what.

I remember asking you why you didn't like Ammy before, now that you mention it. I didn't get to reply to that then, so I will now.

This is my current general purpose team. I can get 80 more HP on Da Qiao, assuming I don't use HP latents (I do have 5 on Ammy cause that has mattered in the past)

You're right that most of the time you'll be sitting at 9x with a full heal. That's where Ammy's active comes in, allowing you to swap from the 9x + Heal leader skill to the 16x one.
Ammy is similar to Hero gods in that you will often need to manage your Light orbs.
None of the monsters besides Ammy are bind immune.
I have a mix of rows and prongs, but no double prongs. Rose's +Light orbs actually help quite a bit here, which is why I use her over Mini Rose most of the time.
I can usually spike twice for 6 million apiece, or activate everything for 15 million. (Assuming I don't bungle the combo)
As others have said, if an enemy can't kill you in one hit it can't kill you at all.
You can always throw away your heart orbs for more Light damage, assuming Rose is up.

My team could be improved with tactical use of Raph, Sandy, and Eliza, but all of those take a lot of time investment and I haven't been able to grind that much. I have a hard time maxing a single monster during 10x Descends.

I can always beat up to Challenge 7 and some Challenge 10s. I have a harder time with 8 & 9 than 10. I almost never stone on Challenges.

Chirei convinced me to invest in Leilan, and my Pandoras suddenly are a lot more vesitile, so I will be diversifying, but this group has gotten me through a lot.

commandercool · « **Reply #145 on:** March 01, 2016, 09:37:42 PM »

If I'm putting a specific metric on what passes as "good" I guess I'd say "most Legend Plus content". But if you can no-stone Challenge 10s with it I'd say that's pretty impressive. Which ones, just out of curiosity?

Moogs Parfait · « **Reply #146 on:** March 01, 2016, 09:50:57 PM »

I still have to customize the team per challenge, but 7-10 and the ones like it I can beat. (Basically no Beelzebub and no Number Dragons)

http://puzzledragonx.com/en/mission.asp?m=1175

Until I got Raph, I had to swap an Ammy for LMeta and bring Sandy's shield to get past Hera. I can't remember if I can survive a sea of poison, since you go to negative HP Ammy can't always heal out of it.

What I have most trouble with is the dragon boss rush dungeons where every enemy kills you on the 6th turn and they all have 5 million+ HP. I'm wondering if I can bring both Mini Rose and Big Rose to hit hard enough, fast enough. I really need to finish skilling Venus.

commandercool · « **Reply #147 on:** March 01, 2016, 09:59:19 PM »

Yeah, those are the Challenge 10s Gabriel can beat as well (at least consistently).

Not that that isn't enough because it is pretty solid, but how does she handle Scarlet or Linthia? I assume she has no trouble with the 5x4 descends.

commandercool · « **Reply #148 on:** March 01, 2016, 10:11:12 PM »

"Oh wow, I got a bunch of Raphael skillups in a row. Maybe this won't be too bad after all."

0/8 skillups.

Fuckmefuckmefuckmefuckmefuckme.

Suikama · « **Reply #149 on:** March 01, 2016, 10:23:44 PM »

aAma is acrually useful since she beats ra dra at kaguya latent farming :V

That's not something many teams can claim