Author Topic: Fire Emblem: Fates - More waifu, more husbando, more sales! (Read 95003 times)

Hikarin · « **Reply #330 on:** July 27, 2016, 04:24:40 AM »

Unfortunately I don't have Mess Hall, yet...

But.

I have 1.99+tax leftover from buying Revelation, so I have

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. I mean, it works.

Actually though, it's absurd. She's gained a couple of levels from level 10, less than halfway through the stage. Not to mention, her Mag. is really high, which squishes every armored enemy on the stage. I think I'll marry her this run.

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Anyways, you can do that for free, too. I just wanted the character. There's two free DLC which give the necessary items.

EDIT: I still somehow can't beat it.

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Maybe I'm just bad.

commandercool · « **Reply #331 on:** July 27, 2016, 04:35:10 AM »

Quote from: ?q on July 26, 2016, 11:21:53 AM

Now if you're talking about his *raises eyebrow* private quarters game then you're probably right. The guy seems somewhere between clingy and scared out of his mind.

I am. I don't know what I expected, just for him to be... Less of a wiener I guess? And the pickings are pretty slim for Birthright men since I don't really care about most of the Hoshido cast. Should have just married Kaze I guess, he seems cool.

Hikarin · « **Reply #332 on:** July 27, 2016, 04:48:56 AM »

Quote from: commandercool on July 27, 2016, 04:35:10 AM

I am. I don't know what I expected, just for him to be... Less of a wiener I guess? And the pickings are pretty slim for Birthright men since I don't really care about most of the Hoshido cast. Should have just married Kaze I guess, he seems cool.

Well, the Birthright guys aren't all bad. They have (the greatest and only) kitsune guys. Honestly, I kind of want to try marrying Nishiki for Kinu. Her personality seems interesting. On the other hand, Ryoma is leaning towards the gar side, if you're into that (but his design is ehh). Or, going further that way, there's Saizo, but I don't really like his personality. Other than them, the rest of the cast is Shoujo-manga style guys who don't have interesting kids.

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #333 on:** July 27, 2016, 05:11:29 AM »

Saizo isn't much fun until he mixes up with Mozu; upon which he suddenly has interests and personality and shits.

Among Hoshido side, your best bet for a husband is probably Hinata. He's lead guitar and vocals for a Van Halen cover band called Wyldsyde (he's trying to get Takumi on drums), so he's got miles more personality than most. Or hold our for second gen, when the pickings get a lot better.

I'm sure eugenics-wise these are both horrible, but who cares about eugenics?

Hikarin · « **Reply #334 on:** July 27, 2016, 05:43:23 AM »

Mildly off-current topic because I need a second opinion:

I finally. FINALLY beat Chapter 13. But I lost Nyx and Charlotte. Nyx is actually okay, but Charlotte kinda sucks. I got all the house rewards except for the first one. Am I still in the clear? Or is my performance (namely losing Nyx) going to screw me later? I have a pre battle save sitting around in the event that that's the case.

The Greatest Dog · « **Reply #335 on:** July 27, 2016, 06:04:10 AM »

Charlotte is one of the best wives for Xander, really helping to fix his speed without any level investment.

Hikarin · « **Reply #336 on:** July 27, 2016, 06:26:49 AM »

Quote from: The Greatest Dog on July 27, 2016, 06:04:10 AM

Charlotte is one of the best wives for Xander, really helping to fix his speed without any level investment.

;-; Goodbye sleep

CF7 · « **Reply #337 on:** July 27, 2016, 06:27:55 AM »

Quote from: Hikari on July 27, 2016, 04:24:40 AM

Unfortunately I don't have Mess Hall, yet...

You can visit somebody else's castle and use their Mess Hall.

Speaking of... I guess, i haven't posted mine yet.
00078-91526
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Red Umbrella.

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #338 on:** July 27, 2016, 06:41:27 AM »

Oh right.

06183-93944
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FIGHT ME YOU'LL COWARDS!

CF7 · « **Reply #339 on:** July 27, 2016, 09:26:50 AM »

Can't fight you due to mycastle being in EU.
Also today i unlocked 3 paralogues.

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And i tried

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paralogue, which is pure wtf material. Infinite reinforcements + forest + lots of enemies of different types. On the plus side the child in question is rather tanky (Azura's -2 damage received also helps) so i do not really need babying him much. Any tips?

commandercool · « **Reply #340 on:** July 27, 2016, 11:32:11 AM »

Quote from: CF7 on July 27, 2016, 09:26:50 AM

Can't fight you due to mycastle being in EU.
Also today i unlocked 3 paralogues.
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Velouria (Keaton/Severa), Siegbert and Shigure(Xander/Azura)
And i tried
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Siegbert's
paralogue, which is pure wtf material. Infinite reinforcements + forest + lots of enemies of different types. On the plus side the child in question is rather tanky (Azura's -2 damage received also helps) so i do not really need babying him much. Any tips?

I posted extensive tips for that shitstorm of a trash nightmare of a chapter a page or so back if you look. On lunatic and later in the game, but hopefully most of them still apply. There's a completely counterintuitive sort-of-trick to it that took me many, many hours to figure out.

Hikarin · « **Reply #341 on:** July 27, 2016, 03:25:14 PM »

Okay, I managed to clear Chapter 13 deathless, finally.
For anyone who stumbles upon this, I

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CF7 · « **Reply #342 on:** July 27, 2016, 08:08:06 PM »

Quote from: Hikari on July 27, 2016, 03:25:14 PM

Okay, I managed to clear Chapter 13 deathless, finally.

:toot:

So, Paralogue 15 cleared. I can't even say who the MVP was, since pretty much everyone did something really useful one way or another. But yeah, the main problem of the map is Master Ninja portal. And you bascally need a really large group to deal with ninjas/machinists/riders, who camp it while it keeps spewing out more and more ninjas.
Also Kumagera is slowly, but steadily approaching the state of being an unstoppable wall of death.

?q · « **Reply #343 on:** July 27, 2016, 11:09:43 PM »

Quote from: Hikari on July 27, 2016, 04:48:56 AM

Well, the Birthright guys aren't all bad. They have (the greatest and only) kitsune guys.

Speaking as someone who married Elise, I found Kaden's confession to be kind of unnerving.

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I finally. FINALLY beat Chapter 13. But I lost Nyx and Charlotte. Nyx is actually okay, but Charlotte kinda sucks. I got all the house rewards except for the first one. Am I still in the clear? Or is my performance (namely losing Nyx) going to screw me later? I have a pre battle save sitting around in the event that that's the case.

Can you use other units and can you get kids off them?
>Yes
Don't worry about it.
>No
um well then

As long as you can get kids you're probably not screwed. Unless one of the royals dies. Then you're done.

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Siegbert's paralogue is one of the most awful maps in the game, right up there with Ophelia's paralogue. Well done getting it together.

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Restarts on Ch. 12 are up to two.
1) Peri does what she does best: attack, whiff, die.
2) Camilla was supposed to tank an Enemy Phase. Ninja have Poison Strike.

commandercool · « **Reply #344 on:** July 27, 2016, 11:21:27 PM »

Quote from: ?q on July 27, 2016, 11:09:43 PM

1) Peri does what she does best: attack, whiff, die.

I think Peri is one of the most fun units in the game to play with. Her special ability is great, and I like the idea of a glass cannon Paladin with super-high strength and lower defenses. That Skill is killer though...

Quote from: ?q on July 27, 2016, 11:09:43 PM

2) Camilla was supposed to tank an Enemy Phase. Ninja have Poison Strike.

"Well she's an axe user, right?"

She can tank ninjas with a Tomahawk if you can chokepoint them into melee after the first ~1. Or maybe with a Hand Axe with a good offense stance partner? But yeah, mostly not so much...

theshirn · « **Reply #345 on:** July 28, 2016, 01:44:42 AM »

Camilla often has enough strength to oneshot ninjas, preventing pesky skills from kicking in. Trickier early on, though.

My current run is a Birthright Kids run. Have everyone so far but Kana, Selkie, Midori and Shiro. Just finished chapter 13 so it's time to do a little offscreen grinding again to get Ryoma married to Kagero and Corrin to Kaden, and then past 15 for Mighty Midori to finally show up (stupid birthright grumble).

Caeldori is queen shitwrecker so far, though.

?q · « **Reply #346 on:** July 28, 2016, 02:49:03 AM »

Quote from: commandercool on July 27, 2016, 11:21:27 PM

"Well she's an axe user, right?"

She can tank ninjas with a Tomahawk or if you can chokepoint them into melee after the first ~1. Or maybe with a Hand Axe with a good offense stance partner? But yeah, mostly not so much...

There's no Tomahawk in Ch. 12. She was using Thunder because Precious has the Hand Axe. (Actually, while typing this post I stopped being cheap and got Camilla one of her own.)

3) Silas does not survive Iron Shiruken + getting doubled by Flame Shiruken.
4) Nyx does survive Flame Shiruken easily. However, Kagero then cleanly OHKOs her.
5) Screwed up the Ninja strategy for the third time in a row.
6) By equipping Hand Axe Precious can counter Saizo hard enough to trigger Pyrotechnics, which allows some other mook to finish her off after getting doubled by Flame Shiruken. I think the AI actually plans for this, because Saizo moved first instead of third in this scenario.
7) Peri whiffed Saizo at 88%, which put her in a no-win situation.
8 ) Camilla missed Saizo at 82% or so, which I couldn't recover from.
9) Nyx missed the kill on Saizo at 80%. Kagero hit her at 77%.

I'm done for the night.

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Camilla often has enough strength to oneshot ninjas, preventing pesky skills from kicking in.

Yeah she's not doing that without backup, and getting debuffed means she's still slowly dying.

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #347 on:** July 28, 2016, 05:02:18 AM »

Quote from: theshirn on July 28, 2016, 01:44:42 AM

My current run is a Birthright Kids run. Have everyone so far but Kana, Selkie, Midori and Shiro. Just finished chapter 13 so it's time to do a little offscreen grinding again to get Ryoma married to Kagero and Corrin to Kaden, and then past 15 for Mighty Midori to finally show up (stupid birthright grumble).

Caeldori is queen shitwrecker so far, though.

I felt obligated to retire the Birthright crewe for the kids; the kids were just so much better. Shiro and Kiragi were the MVPs for me. And Rhajat. And Hisame, goddamn.

CF7 · « **Reply #348 on:** July 28, 2016, 06:52:02 AM »

In my game the only kid, who desn't suck, is Velouria.
Dwyer is... well, Dwyer.
Kana kinda got butchered by Jakob's growts.
Nina's is pretty much the same, due to Elise being her mother. I guess she could be a decent Adventurer with a Shining Bow with some investment, though.
Siegbert is not that tanky for a paladin, because of Azura, but at least he is fast and has passable str.
And then there's Velouria. She has high def, high str, really speedy, so she can double a lot of things, lots of HP and great survivability, because of innate HP regeneration and Sol.

?q · « **Reply #349 on:** July 28, 2016, 11:37:48 AM »

Kids are pretty much the sort of thing where what you put in is what you get out. It's tough for them to be bad, but it's also kind of tough for them to be more than mediocre as well.

Nina+Shining Bow is definitely a thing. Also comparing Hisame to Hinata just isn't fair. :V

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Ch. 12 complete after going back and throwing some tonics at Precious and Silas.

I immediately reclassed Laslow to Ninja, and needed to get a level on him in the first half of the map so he could learn Locktouch. Taking the left door is much easier than going right because the pot you have to break on the right is a Hexing Rod equivalent, and tapping the Dragon Vein is a really silly idea. That's three fed kills and one combat, which is manageable. I went with the Hand Axe approach to the Ninja room, but after HP and Resistance Tonics Precious was able to survive this time. Saizo was an easy kill from there, and VowSilas OHKOs Kagero. I think may have lost a turn because Laslow didn't get the EXP I wanted, and I had to scramble to catch up, but whatever. Hand Axe worked much better for Camilla vs. the top center enemies; she killed the Kodachi guy on Player Phase and Silas got it out of the convoy that turn so I had two avenues of counterattacking. I got the left chest; I forgot about the Entrap Maid so the right chest didn't happen. Camilla tried to kill Ryoma but after three rounds of combat no blood was shed. Precious escaped on Turn 16/16 using all of her movement on the last turn.

The score thus far...
*+Spd -Res Fighter Corrin "Precious" - Nohr Princess 10 / Fighter 5, C Axes, married to Silas. Not Camilla and not Silas, but still puts out a bunch of damage. Probably thanks to Spd Boon, she has over 100 Hit even with Hand Axe.
*Silas - Cavalier 15, B Swords E Lances, married to Precious. If it weren't for this Kodachi I'd have some serious questions about why I've been completely ignoring that Lance rank. 11 Spd is not promising for the future, but his final class should help this. I'm pretty sure his VA was embarrassed to voice all of his confession lines. Like, what the hell is that kissing speech.
*Nyx - Dark Mage 14, B Tomes, B Jakob. Didn't get to do much in the last Chapter because blue weapons. I want her to get Vengeance before she Partner Seals, but that's gonna require early promotion. We'll see how Ch. 13 goes.
*Camilla - Malig Knight 2, C Axes D Tomes. Isn't doing all of the heavy lifting, but it's definitely at least half.
*Laslow - Mercenary 12 / Ninja 1, E Knives, C Peri. You can't go wrong with a Ninja. Good Fortune is cool. I didn't really want to use a Heart Seal on him but maybe I'll get him Lethality for jokes.
*Peri - Cavalier 11, D Swords C Lances, C Laslow. This is my fourth run of Conquest and my third time using Peri, and I'm pretty sure Peri is the second-worst character in the game (no-seal Mozu is still in a tier of her own). Well, someone's got to mother Soleil, and she is a warm body who can stab things, so etc.

commandercool · « **Reply #350 on:** July 28, 2016, 03:26:49 PM »

Quote from: ?q on July 28, 2016, 11:37:48 AM

*Peri - Cavalier 11, D Swords C Lances, C Laslow. This is my fourth run of Conquest and my third time using Peri, and I'm pretty sure Peri is the second-worst character in the game (no-seal Mozu is still in a tier of her own). Well, someone's got to mother Soleil, and she is a warm body who can stab things, so etc.

I think part of her problem is that she tends to want to be a wallbreaker given her personal ability, but this game already has several really solid wallbreakers that you're probably already using (Camilla and Effie) and you really don't need that many.

Her high-ass RCV is actually really amazing and she can legitimately tank armies of Sorcerers or similar, but the number of times that becomes useful in a campaign is not that many since you still can't leave her exposed if there are any physical enemies around. And her pathetic Skill can be stopgapped somewhat with the hit bonus from relationships.

She's mostly redundant, she's really unreliable, but I've been having fun using her. She's good at turning one Armorslayer or Beast Killer into a whole string of one-shots since she's a much stronger offensive stance partner than most, and she's one of the few unit who can both cleanly tank Sorcerers lategame and then one-shot them in return (although doing so needs a chokepoint since she can't double them at range).

It seems like she would do her best work in Revelation where she could use a Swordreaver or similar to get herself into situations where she's handing out huge super-effective offensive stance attacks more often, but then she has to compete with the whole army for a team slot, so... Yeah.

CF7 · « **Reply #351 on:** July 28, 2016, 03:51:40 PM »

I just gave Peri a Chef's Hat and she's quite happy giving 2 tonics of your choice and 1 random tonic to everyone for free, all things considered.

Also cleared Ch 21. I have no idea what's the supposed method of clearing this map is, but i sorta cheesed it with Keaton/Severa/Kumagera parked in the lower left corner, so the reinforcements suicide against Keaton, then he'd heal back to full, because of his passive. And sent the main force to slowly advance, while Velouria and Siegbert tanked advancing reinforcements from the north. Xander was baiting Stoneborns and then i used Corrin and Elise to one round kill them with Dragonstone+ and a forged Flimbuvetr.
Also Siegbert is quite good actually. So now i have 2 kids who don't suck.

Hikarin · « **Reply #352 on:** July 28, 2016, 10:10:47 PM »

Less than 24 hours ago a new homebrew exploit released for update 11.0.0-33u.

Once I clear Conquest, I might do some Revelation recording :3
EDIT: I'm referencing a relatively new homebrew app which lets you stream the screen to your PC. At about 30fps. If you're unlucky.

?q · « **Reply #353 on:** July 29, 2016, 12:15:14 AM »

Quote from: commandercool on July 28, 2016, 03:26:49 PM

I think part of her problem is that she tends to want to be a wallbreaker given her personal ability, but this game already has several really solid wallbreakers that you're probably already using (Camilla and Effie) and you really don't need that many.

She wants to be an enemy phase tank with her personal but she's bad at enemy phase. She does get good Res for when you see hordes of mages... but that's not very often and you usually have people who are better at it with less effort (Leo for minimum effort, Kaze for fan-favoritism).

Like, I want her to be good, and she's certainly viable, but Silas beats her everywhere except Spd and Res, the only thing she gets out of reclass is Heartseeker (good but is it worth 4000G?), it's tough to get her started when she misses at inopportune times, and at the end of it you get a mediocre combat unit.

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Ch. 13 clear, surprisingly on the first try though Nyx had to make a crucial dodge.

I went left, leading with Nyx. Countercurse actually did something and she drained the life out of the initial Diviners, then moved to the Gate and did the same on Turn 2. Orochi hits really hard, so I found an excuse to let Precious hit her from Attack Stance. Nyx did some really sketchy dodging/tanking with the Knights while everyone else did slightly less heavy lifting. Once they were out of the way I had Peri move Benny into the range of the center group. Two cavvies and Reina knocked Benny to 7HP but that was fine; Nyx Nossed Reina at melee range and Charlotte took advantage of Heartseeker to turn her lights out. That Enemy Phase turned out surprisingly well given I couldn't reach one of the Beast Killer Cavvies and I'm using two horses. Nyx baited Takumi; he got orcad in the most hilariously easy fight I've ever had with him. Benny baited Scarlet's group from between the houses, and her group went out in one Player Phase, then the Wyverns to the north, then the cavvies from the south. Nyx got the bosskill doubling with Fire, because if Nyx is good at something it's that.

Jakob reached A with Nyx. Benny reached C with Camilla. Laslow got Poison Strike and not a lot else because of how many high-Def enemies were on that map. I've gone back and forth about whether I want kids early, and I think the only one I really want ASAP is Soleil because she's going to have bad weapon ranks. If that's the case, then I can be a bit more free with my Seals (a certain main character is going to want Sol).

I get the sense I won't be getting her all that early though.

commandercool · « **Reply #354 on:** July 29, 2016, 12:25:59 AM »

Quote from: ?q on July 29, 2016, 12:15:14 AM

She wants to be an enemy phase tank with her personal but she's bad at enemy phase. She does get good Res for when you see hordes of mages... but that's not very often and you usually have people who are better at it with less effort (Leo for minimum effort, Kaze for fan-favoritism).

Wait, really? I've never had a Leo I felt like I could trust to take on anything but other Dark Knights because his Resist is only decent and his Speed is horrible. He gets shredded even by Sorcerers since they can sometimes double him, and if not 2-3 can kill him outright.

For my money Leo might be the worst unit in the game actually. His personal ability is extremely niche, Dark Knight is a horrible class, and his personal weapon is far weaker than Siegfried, Fujin Yumi, or Raijinto. However, I'm reclass-averse for story units so maybe he's good in another class? Do people usually reclass him?

Quote from: ?q on July 29, 2016, 12:15:14 AM

Like, I want her to be good, and she's certainly viable, but Silas beats her everywhere except Spd and Res, the only thing she gets out of reclass is Heartseeker (good but is it worth 4000G?), it's tough to get her started when she misses at inopportune times, and at the end of it you get a mediocre combat unit.

Hmm. Maybe actually since it's extremely valuable and it solves one of her bigger problems (horrible Skill).

Speaking of gold being worth it, I'm at the Conquest lunatic endgame right now and I have A TON of leftover gold. Like enough to buy two of every tonic for every unit for both chapters and have a bunch left over for weapons. I kind of wish I had spent it more liberally actually, since more tonics could have saved me some grief earlier. I know gold is limited, but if you make good use of it and don't particularly need the S-rank weapons it seems like you can hit endgame with quite a surplus.

theshirn · « **Reply #355 on:** July 29, 2016, 12:30:25 AM »

Quote from: Purji Costavis on July 28, 2016, 05:02:18 AM

I felt obligated to retire the Birthright crewe for the kids; the kids were just so much better. Shiro and Kiragi were the MVPs for me. And Rhajat. And Hisame, goddamn.

The biggest downside to not using any first-genners is losing Raijinto. Fujin Yumi and the princess passives are also missed, but Ryoma really can solo Birthright on anything below Lunatic purely off of how busted Raijinto is. (totally bullshit that you can't hand them off to the kids, where are my fe4 mechanics intsys)

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #356 on:** July 29, 2016, 12:32:22 AM »

I considered that a benefit. Raijinto feels like cheating, and I'm the guy who abuses online stuff like no one's business.

Also it's more fun to make a +crazy iron sword.

commandercool · « **Reply #357 on:** July 29, 2016, 12:33:50 AM »

Quote from: theshirn on July 29, 2016, 12:30:25 AM

The biggest downside to not using any first-genners is losing Raijinto. Fujin Yumi and the princess passives are also missed, but Ryoma really can solo Birthright on anything below Lunatic purely off of how busted Raijinto is. (totally bullshit that you can't hand them off to the kids, where are my fe4 mechanics intsys)

But Shiro can't even equip swords! Give him Waterwheel so he can start his own legacy. People shit on Waterwheel, but it makes him a really, really legit tank.

Hello Purvis · « **Reply #358 on:** July 29, 2016, 01:03:15 AM »

I've gotten a lot of good use out of Waterwheel in my Revelations game.

?q · « **Reply #359 on:** July 29, 2016, 02:03:52 AM »

Quote from: commandercool on July 29, 2016, 12:25:59 AM

Wait, really? I've never had a Leo I felt like I could trust to take on anything but other Dark Knights because his Resist is only decent and his Speed is horrible. He gets shredded even by Sorcerers since they can sometimes double him, and if not 2-3 can kill him outright.

At max level Dark Knight Leo and Paladin Peri basically have the same Res. Ch. 26 Sorcerers have 22 Spd, so on average a Lv. 15 Leo will not get doubled by them even after being Enfeebled.

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For my money Leo might be the worst unit in the game actually. His personal ability is extremely niche, Dark Knight is a horrible class, and his personal weapon is far weaker than Siegfried, Fujin Yumi, or Raijinto. However, I'm reclass-averse for story units so maybe he's good in another class? Do people usually reclass him?

Leo is in no way the worst unit in the game because he has good stats (particularly HP, Mag, and Res on top of a strong defensive class), uses magic, comes with a free Prf Thunder +2 with benefits, has a decent personal Skill that is only bad in comparison to the stuff the other royals have, and really only suffers from bad Skl and a class/cap that does his Spd no favors. He's the least of the Nohrlords but overall he's probably somewhere in mid tier.

If you really want to max Leo out you reclass him to Sorcerer because while Dark Knight makes him easy to use with its big HP and Def, Sorcerer gives him much higher Mag and a somewhat less embarrassing Spd expectation, with Nosferatu to help make up for the durability problems. On that note, as a warrior and a scholar he'll appreciate Secret Books, because missing with ranged Nos is a favorite pastime of over-trusted mages and his Skl is one Book above Nyx's, for comparison.

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Speaking of gold being worth it, I'm at the Conquest lunatic endgame right now and I have A TON of leftover gold. Like enough to buy two of every tonic for every unit for both chapters and have a bunch left over for weapons. I kind of wish I had spent it more liberally actually, since more tonics could have saved me some grief earlier. I know gold is limited, but if you make good use of it and don't particularly need the S-rank weapons it seems like you can hit endgame with quite a surplus.

FWIW most of that gold (43000G if you sold everything in the five chests except the Seraph Robe, plus the three S ranks) comes from the end of Ch. 26. You haven't always had it.

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Ryoma really can solo Birthright on anything below Lunatic purely off of how busted Raijinto is.

You're giving Birthright Lunatic way too much credit. If you use Ryoma from the moment he joins nothing short of Dragonskin slows him down. If you wait until Ch. 24 to use him... the RNG is a bit more likely to stop you, but otherwise it's the same.