Author Topic: Powercreep and Dragons Thread XXVII: Making Juggler less OP all day everyday (Read 130195 times)

commandercool · « **Reply #210 on:** January 24, 2016, 07:20:05 PM »

Quote from: Suikama x Lucy on January 24, 2016, 07:01:16 PM

usually you just want to stack dark resists for DQ

maybe some wood for parvati too. you gotta do the math yourself :V

basically with latents:

1. calculate your max HP when everyone is hypermaxed with no latents
2. calculate how many dark resists you need to survive DQ's premptive in Arena 1 (and 2 if you want but it probably wont happen without a shield anyways)
3. calculate how many wood resists you need to survive parvati's low hp slap in arena 1. If you have enough room for them with your dark resists, then go for it, otherwise just fuck it
4. with your leftover slots, depending on how many (probably not a lot) you can either use them for HP latents on something beefy, or get rainbow resist on whoever

I'll do the math, but since many of my slots are already full from Gabriel's build I don't think I'll be able to fit enough of any one resist to actually help with either of those attacks. I guess I can throw Snow White in there too though, so maybe. I'll look into it.

Quote from: OverlordChirei on January 24, 2016, 07:13:59 PM

It does indeed have heart orbs, but remember that it is 5x4, so you may very likely go several turns without heart drops.

I'm not worried about that. As long as there are some hearts I'm bulky enough to handle it with no problems. Or at least that was the case for Hera-Ur and Noah.

Suikama · « **Reply #211 on:** January 24, 2016, 07:53:38 PM »

generally latents make such a small difference that it really doesnt matter what you put

the excepts are having resist latents to survive specific things, or skill delay resists, which btw are great on any haster like Nepdra himself

or like other special cases like RCV on ama

commandercool · « **Reply #212 on:** January 24, 2016, 08:15:28 PM »

That's another thing, what do you guys think of delay resist Tamadras and investing in them? They're good, obviously. They seem too good as obvious whale bait. As far as we know right now they're still not farmable and aren't planned to be, right? Or is there a way to get them for free that I missed? How many are considered necessary? Seems like it would probably be two, but I don't know if there's anything upcoming that necessitates more. The inevitable progression seems to be that Gungho just continuously tacks on one extra turn of delay to everything to cause people to have to buy more. Right now I can't even afford one of them, much less two, but I'm certainly considering them for when I do have a few more points.

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #213 on:** January 24, 2016, 08:29:59 PM »

Quote from: commandercool on January 24, 2016, 08:15:28 PM

That's another thing, what do you guys think of delay resist Tamadras and investing in them? They're good, obviously. They seem too good as obvious whale bait. As far as we know right now they're still not farmable and aren't planned to be, right? Or is there a way to get them for free that I missed? How many are considered necessary? Seems like it would probably be two, but I don't know if there's anything upcoming that necessitates more. The inevitable progression seems to be that Gungho just continuously tacks on one extra turn of delay to everything to cause people to have to buy more. Right now I can't even afford one of them, much less two, but I'm certainly considering them for when I do have a few more points.

Wait for 1/2 latent price for that, which will cut them down to 15000 temporarily.

I'm eyeing them myself, but not in any immediate need because I think they should only be used on a situation you know you'd definitely choke without them otherwise, which needless to say will take some experimentation and probably inevitable losses.

Suikama · « **Reply #214 on:** January 24, 2016, 08:36:55 PM »

uhhhhh

i entered lifive challnege mode

floor 1 HP tama appears

...WHAT???

Quote

- Invades during special events

oh

huh

not like it matters cause i died >_>

MatsuriSakuragi · « **Reply #215 on:** January 24, 2016, 10:35:18 PM »

I've been running the coin rush dungeons for stones and for personal challenge-- I wanna beat them all, no-stone, on the first try. So far, Devil/Dragon/Hera rushes have been a success.

But now I'm out of coin and the rush set in the challenge descended starts tomorrow, so.......

Suikama · « **Reply #216 on:** January 25, 2016, 01:50:06 AM »

^{posting here cuz no monstrike topic :derp:}

this game 2 ez Kappa

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #217 on:** January 25, 2016, 08:39:02 AM »

Quote from: Suikama x Lucy on January 25, 2016, 01:50:06 AM

^{posting here cuz no monstrike topic :derp:}

bruh make one

MatsuriSakuragi · « **Reply #218 on:** January 25, 2016, 11:34:09 AM »

Parvati keeps blocking Beelzebub's full poison board attack so I can't no-sell it with Astaroth.

#opteamproblems

But I still won so all I need now is one more woodpy so I can skillmax Ceres yay

trancehime · « **Reply #219 on:** January 25, 2016, 12:14:43 PM »

aww yiss, LINDAMAN

The Greatest Dog · « **Reply #220 on:** January 25, 2016, 02:36:35 PM »

Oh, I probably could have done Devil Rush with Raoh, but if Vampire appeared then RIP HP.

Instead I did Hera and God Rush with Zaerogoo, and Devil and Dragon with Yomidora.

the last issue is, how do you even do Yamato Rush?

Sachi would probably be pleased with this.

Who needs goddesses when you have dragons?

commandercool · « **Reply #221 on:** January 25, 2016, 03:31:20 PM »

The Gabriel buffs (and putting Snow White on my team) has made Hera Rush laughably easy. I probably don't even need to bring a special team any more.

I'll probably try to do Dragon Rush and Devil Rush with Gabriel too. He's never been able to clear them before, but I think he should be able to now. And he clears Yamato Rush provided I don't roll Tengu AND Fat Dragon (and maybe even if I do).

OverlordChirei · « **Reply #222 on:** January 25, 2016, 06:51:09 PM »

Quote from: commandercool on January 25, 2016, 03:31:20 PM

I'll probably try to do Dragon Rush and Devil Rush with Gabriel too. He's never been able to clear them before, but I think he should be able to now. And he clears Yamato Rush provided I don't roll Tengu AND Fat Dragon (and maybe even if I do).

You were able to clip past fatty last time, I assume the attack boost makes this easier.

commandercool · « **Reply #223 on:** January 25, 2016, 06:56:02 PM »

Right, a freestanding Fat Dragon is no problem. But it takes me quite a lot of effort to safely kill Tengu, which means if I have to kill Fat Dragon immediately afterward things could get ugly. I think it depends a lot on my board state.

Mr. Sacchi · « **Reply #224 on:** January 25, 2016, 07:41:19 PM »

Quote from: Fpurin Fanatic on January 25, 2016, 02:36:35 PM

Who needs goddesses when you have dragons?

I know right :V

Meanwhile my puzzle life has been pretty monotonous since all I've been doing is trying to work on my Minerva Team, which is kind of annoying but what can you do.

Also it seems like my Vishnu BFF has moved on to Bastet ;_; And this challenge descended is mostly just rushes and SURPRISE the only one I can actually clear is Dragon Rush and even then it's kinda rough. Maybe I could do God Rush with a verdandi co-lead but I gotta try.

Fucking Zeus-Dios, why do you have to have such a big preemptive?

(Now that I think about it I could probably also use kushinada as the co-lead and still get away with it.)

@EDIT:

Fuck me, fatty spawned on the second-to-last wave of dragon rush and I had to pop GZL, that meant that I wasn't able to murder zaerog even with 4 TPAs and a 6 combo.

Oh yeah and even with a hypermaxxed Verdandi friend I'm still 300HP short of surviving Zeus-Dios.

;_;

Ruka · « **Reply #225 on:** January 26, 2016, 01:08:06 AM »

I dunno why, but I am liking this team.

The Greatest Dog · « **Reply #226 on:** January 26, 2016, 03:23:51 AM »

It was a bloody battle. A Fatty Dragon appeared, followed by Kagoogs who never let me have dark orbs.

Then I endured Hino Kagutsuchi for what seemed like eternity, because I thought I needed Dizzy's active up to survive Goemon's preemptive.

commandercool · « **Reply #227 on:** January 26, 2016, 03:34:39 AM »

Oof, I just lost Devil Rush with Gabe/Ryune because I kept trying to conserve actives on him for some stupid reason and kept falling just short of his defense every time I did a mini-burst. I don't know what I did that. :V

commandercool · « **Reply #228 on:** January 26, 2016, 01:41:30 PM »

Very likely my next candidate for hypermax after Alrescha. Although I've been feeding her all of my Bubpys and she still needs two more, so it'll probably by quite a while before poor Orocho gets skillmax. I feel kind of bad about that, Alrescha will definitely be getting a skillup fodder eventually. But she's a standard sub on a team right now and Orochi isn't, I'm much more likely to need her skill more than once a dungeon, and I'm too impatient to wait for constellation skillups.

Jq1790 · « **Reply #229 on:** January 26, 2016, 11:10:27 PM »

If I could stop failing at Hel long enough to actually, y'know, beat her, that'd be nice, thanks.

I have yet to clear her stage due to one of any number of idiotic errors on my part and it's actually quite grating knowing that I'm dying so much to a stage I should be walking all over.

commandercool · « **Reply #230 on:** January 27, 2016, 12:14:33 AM »

Devil Rush cleared with Gabriel, super easy provided I don't play like a moron. Just Dragon Rush left and then he'll have collected the whole set. This will probably be the hardest one because of Threedia, but I think I can take him now.

I've been talking for a while about a white row team but I haven't been able to decide on a lead. I think I've figured the team out though. The upcoming Awoken Greek buff really tips the scale into making them amazing for me, since they can burst any of the minority of the game that they don't resist and stall on the rest to recharge their burst. That being the case I'm probably going to play to lead with Awoken Venus despite her kind-of-bad active. I plan on the team looking like this:

Awoken Venus/Sun Wukong/Da Qiao/Apollo/Raphael/Awoken Venus

It's got three heartmakers for stalling and a ton of burst potential, a shitload of skillboosts, and decently rounded stats. If it had more reliable status resistance and if Venus had a better skill I think this team could be really special, but as is it's probably pretty fucking strong.

Espadas · « **Reply #231 on:** January 27, 2016, 09:34:19 AM »

New Constellation pantheon AND 1 new GFE!

AND RIGHT NOW I WANT TO SCREAM "GUNGTROLL" AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS BECAUSE OF THE GFE!

> D/F Attacker + tpa = "FINALLY! THE CARD I WAS WAITING FOR!!!!!"
> not crap RCV = "YES!"
> GODKILLER Awak = "HOLY SHIT YESSS!"

then i noticed 2 more details.......

> GFE (5*) = "oh great, ANOTHER GFE..... because trying to get Satsuki wasn't enough...."

> AS = Randomly spawn 3 Dark and 3 Jammer orbs. Boost Jammer skyfall chance for 1 turn

? WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!
So if i ever want to use him i'll HAVE to:
- use Satsuki's AS as well
- hope that his AS doesn't remove vital off-color orbs for activation
- have to deal with trash loitering around afterward (because rainbow leads LOVE random jammers in their boards :X)

WHAT THE ACTUAL F**K, GH?! That AS pretty much kills any use i'd have for him, even with everything else being amazing!

Dorakyura · « **Reply #232 on:** January 27, 2016, 10:33:55 AM »

Quote from: Espadas on January 27, 2016, 09:34:19 AM

> GFE (5*) = "oh great, ANOTHER GFE..... because trying to get Satsuki wasn't enough...."

> AS = Randomly spawn 3 Dark and 3 Jammer orbs. Boost Jammer skyfall chance for 1 turn ? WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!
So if i ever want to use him i'll HAVE to:
- use Satsuki's AS as well
- hope that his AS doesn't remove vital off-color orbs for activation
- have to deal with trash loitering around afterward (because rainbow leads LOVE random jammers in their boards :X)

WHAT THE ACTUAL F**K, GH?! That AS pretty much kills any use i'd have for him, even with everything else being amazing!

Fenrir is meant to be Leader. He uses Jammer orbs, similar to how Hel uses poison. I like the synergy with the new god series.
I wonder how many Jammers it takes to trigger his 10x boost.

Maybe it starts with 3 orbs at 3x and gets one more per orb till you hit 10 jammers?
Trance, help

Quote from: Jq1790 on January 26, 2016, 11:10:27 PM

If I could stop failing at Hel long enough to actually, y'know, beat her, that'd be nice, thanks.

I have yet to clear her stage due to one of any number of idiotic errors on my part and it's actually quite grating knowing that I'm dying so much to a stage I should be walking all over.

I wish she would be easier. I had to try really hard to get her down. Especially since I wasn't able to oneshot her (might be possible now with Ult neph, and a 20% damage increase). Maybe Awoken Haku is easier?
Trance used a Shivadragon to farm her, We don't have the luxus to do so. I'm not sure if I can get past I&I with my row fireteam, even though it has lots of firepower. I could maybe do 7m damage twice in a game (or so). But I won't be able to finish off every stage without getting much damage.
What is your team?

Espadas · « **Reply #233 on:** January 27, 2016, 11:28:32 AM »

Quote from: Dorakyura on January 27, 2016, 10:33:55 AM

Fenrir is meant to be Leader. He uses Jammer orbs, similar to how Hel uses poison. I like the synergy with the new god series.
I wonder how many Jammers it takes to trigger his 10x boost.

I don't mind him being a Leader, i just wish the AS wasn't so useless in any other kind of team.....
There is literally ZERO cards in NA with that setup so i am pretty bummed that it's STILL useless for my team

EDIT: that, and i'm Italian, we are born to complain :V i once witnessed a friend of mine stubbing a toe against a table and ending up 10 minutes later cursing about 6 different people/public offices. That was amazing even for me

commandercool · « **Reply #234 on:** January 27, 2016, 02:04:08 PM »

I just tried to enter God Rush and the game froze up and went dark right before I got in. I waited ten minutes or so and nothing happened, so I hard to restart my phone to unfreeze it. Big surprise, the game ate my 99 stamiba but kicked me back to the main menu. Yaaaaay...

MatsuriSakuragi · « **Reply #235 on:** January 27, 2016, 02:15:47 PM »

DIE ALREADY YOU JACKASS

ALL RUSHES CLEARED WITH ASTAROTH

The Greatest Dog · « **Reply #236 on:** January 27, 2016, 02:35:20 PM »

Nice. I could probably do all the Rushes with Yomidora, but that's not nearly as impressive.

So I have two Shynpy as of today, but I only have two REM light mobs that need skillups. Saria or Arthur? :V

Wow. Never would have thought I don't need light skillups anymore.

MatsuriSakuragi · « **Reply #237 on:** January 27, 2016, 02:41:25 PM »

Arthur, if he's really worth it to you. Saria has farmable skillups. :v

commandercool · « **Reply #238 on:** January 27, 2016, 03:10:17 PM »

The more I look at it the more I don't know if I'm up to clear Dragon Rush with Gabriel. Gabe/I&I is probably out because the HP is too low to tank some stuff, Gabe/Ryune's recovery may be too low to handle Zaerog, and I don't think Gabe/Gabe can kill Threedia. I'll have to map it out and do some damage tests, but I don't think it's gonna happen. And this may be a case where Fat Dragon really is a game over, since I have to burst past two things right before him.

Suikama · « **Reply #239 on:** January 27, 2016, 03:21:16 PM »

The ranking preset team is bl isis loooooollllllll

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