Author Topic: Undertale  (Read 72418 times)

MatsuriSakuragi

Re: Undertale
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2015, 02:28:57 AM »
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When the letter is given is probably the only bit that could have been tweaked. Having the Alphys friendship/True Lab as a True Pacifist extended storyline was kind of a neat idea, because it changes the context of the ending and reveals more of what really happened behind the scenes, as well as the origin of Flowey. Had it been known that Alphys had been the one who had managed to attach a soul to a golden flower before the Bad Acid Trip Flowey fight, it would have left an open plot line as to who that soul belonged to. You then find out at the end that it was Asriel, who serves as the true final boss for that plotline.

So I think it makes sense-- you can tell throughout the initial run that Alphys is extremely timid and definitely hiding something, which is blatantly hinted at by Mettaton before your final fight with him-- though you're not sure whether or not to take it seriously because of who is saying it. You then find out that Mettaton is more than just a robot Alphys made in the True Pacifist plotline, but was also another one of her attempts at attaching a soul to a nonliving being (and who that soul belongs to goes from being heavily implied to outright confirmed after the final boss fight). Letting you befriend her before the True Pacifist plotline would have made the revelation about who she REALLY is have less impact, I feel, since it would have taken a closed plotline and opened it again rather than simply transitioning into the plotline that gets left open before the first fight with Asgore. You last hear from her after the fight with Mettaton, when she stops you before going to the castle to warn you-- and that's it. No explanation on why she was so panicked over Mettaton "dying" rather than his battery just wearing out or why she somehow knows so much about the dynamics of souls.

(All of that, and I also feel that the True Lab being a bonus plotline for True Pacifist was really cool, since it's such a substantial segment of the game that makes the effort worth it. Honestly, I think the True Lab was probably my favorite part of the whole game just because of how well-done it was.)
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Re: Undertale
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2015, 05:07:37 AM »
I've heard a lot of good stuff about this game and it's on my wishlist for when I clear up my backlog but NO ONE I've seen has mentioned how it seems to have a decent amount of Touhou inspiration or I would've bought this by now. I've totally been waiting for some game to try to pay homage to it in some form beyond references in name only.

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Re: Undertale
« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2015, 06:32:59 AM »
I've heard a lot of good stuff about this game and it's on my wishlist for when I clear up my backlog but NO ONE I've seen has mentioned how it seems to have a decent amount of Touhou inspiration or I would've bought this by now. I've totally been waiting for some game to try to pay homage to it in some form beyond references in name only.
I had heard rumors that Toby Fox was a Touhou fan due to some of the songs he's done for Homestuck, but after seeing this game and his Tumblr blog (he was gushing in one of his recent posts about a Touhou-style remix someone did of one of his older songs), it's pretty obvious now.  Especially with the very Touhou-ish vibe that certain songs give off, such as
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the "ZUN-pets" in Battle Against a True Hero.

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Re: Undertale
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2015, 02:42:32 PM »
Man this game really won me over really fast. I'm not even that good at bullet hell games so I can appreciate the challenge.

Also it's really hilarious. Loving it.
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Re: Undertale
« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2015, 04:32:04 PM »
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Re: Undertale
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2015, 08:08:32 PM »
The internet is too abuzz about the game. Its getting too hard to avoid spoilers on other sites...
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Re: Undertale
« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2015, 10:30:03 PM »
That's the biggest reason why I bought it and played it as fast as I could. I could feel that this game was something special and I didn't want that to be ruined for me.

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Re: Undertale
« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2015, 11:55:41 AM »
I'm on my second playthrough of the game and I'm trying to go for the
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True Pacifist ending
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Re: Undertale
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2015, 02:41:53 PM »
I'm currently going for a No Mercy run, I'm past the CORE right now.
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Re: Undertale
« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2015, 09:41:45 PM »
I beat the
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True Pacifist
today. Then I
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trekked down all the way back to the ruins. This game leaves no bases uncovered - and I found Asriel near the flowers. And I talked to 'im over and over again, and I'm so glad I came all the way there. Heck, even the trek back wasn't so bad because I discovered the Toriel texts on the way.
This game is too good.

Re: Undertale
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2015, 10:47:01 PM »
Just a random thing: according to SteamSpy, an aggregate site, Undertale has approximately 74,376 Steam users that own a copy of the game. Not accounting for the people that backed the Kickstarter, and taking into account the standard 30% cut Steam takes for distributing the game, Toby Fox has so far made $520,111 from the game. Not bad for a game whose Kickstarter was initially asking for $5,000.

MatsuriSakuragi

Re: Undertale
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2015, 10:58:22 PM »
Well-deserved, too. It's still at 98% positive after all this time on Steam. (#10 on the overall list, it seems, wherein everything under #1 is also 98%.)

And don't forget that not all sales come from Steam, too. I ordered my copy directly from the Undertale site (which comes with a DRM-free download link and a Steam code), so there's sales from there to consider as well.

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Re: Undertale
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2015, 11:37:44 PM »
Got my first playthrough done. Got what seemed was the normal ending. Not sure exactly how many there are. Noticed
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Flowey's not there on a new game since I killed him
. Should I expect anything else besides that on a second run? 
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Will Flowey interrupt the ending if I redownload and do a True Pacifist run?
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Re: Undertale
« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2015, 12:50:47 AM »
Got my first playthrough done. Got what seemed was the normal ending. Not sure exactly how many there are. Noticed
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Flowey's not there on a new game since I killed him
. Should I expect anything else besides that on a second run? 
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Will Flowey interrupt the ending if I redownload and do a True Pacifist run?
Redownloading won't help. The save data (on the DRM-free version at least) is stored in the %localappdata%\UNDERTALE folder, in 5 files: file0, 8, 9, playerachievementcache.dat, and undertale.ini.

If you don't want your past runs haunting you, it's best to make a backup of the folder somewhere else, and delete the original folder.

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As for your question, I have no idea.
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Re: Undertale
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2015, 02:08:43 AM »
The save data (on the DRM-free version at least) is stored in the %localappdata%\UNDERTALE folder, in 5 files: file0, 8, 9, playerachievementcache.dat, and undertale.ini.
This is also applicable to the Steam version of the game, though you'll also need to disable Steam Cloud synchronization for it.

Re: Undertale
« Reply #45 on: October 07, 2015, 05:06:37 AM »
I'm currently going for a No Mercy run, I'm past the CORE right now.

Any tips on how to defeat
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Undyne the Undying
? I've been having a "bad time" trying to get past that fight.

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Re: Undertale
« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2015, 05:33:31 AM »
Any tips on how to defeat
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Undyne the Undying
? I've been having a "bad time" trying to get past that fight.
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Equip the notebook and glasses items to maximize your invincibility frames.  Stock up on healing items before the fight (if you haven't already, take as many pieces from the snowman in Snowdin as you can), you'll want to fill your entire inventory with them--I needed EVERY one of them to survive.  The arrow portions can pretty much be memorized (bear in mind that the yellow arrows will automatically flip to the opposite side once they're close enough to you.  I originally thought they'd only invert if you faced toward them first, and that wasted a lot of time for me.  So for instance, if you see a yellow arrow coming from the left, just face right and wait for it.).  For the spinning spears, don't try to leave the circle until they're close to the center and are slow enough.  For the spears that spawn in a circle around you and then fire inward immediately, move around in a rough circle--the spears spawn in a pattern and aren't random, and making a circular motion will help you avoid them all.

That's really all the advice I've got, the rest is just practice!  I managed to beat them with no healing items left and only 2 HP remaining.

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Re: Undertale
« Reply #47 on: October 07, 2015, 03:28:36 PM »
So... Anyone here managed to
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do a "no miss clear" of the pacifist mode credits' special thanks section?
:V

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Re: Undertale
« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2015, 04:56:54 PM »
So... Anyone here managed to
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do a "no miss clear" of the pacifist mode credits' special thanks section?
:V

I've seen videos but I'm not Jaimers, so... :(

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Re: Undertale
« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2015, 10:59:08 PM »
I had heard rumors that Toby Fox was a Touhou fan due to some of the songs he's done for Homestuck, but after seeing this game and his Tumblr blog (he was gushing in one of his recent posts about a Touhou-style remix someone did of one of his older songs), it's pretty obvious now.  Especially with the very Touhou-ish vibe that certain songs give off, such as
Spoiler:
the "ZUN-pets" in Battle Against a True Hero.

Also remilia hat on the tsunderplane

Watched my friend play a pacifist run, and even though I felt some of the dialogue was very predictable you really have to admire the level of detail in the game

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Re: Undertale
« Reply #50 on: October 08, 2015, 02:47:14 AM »
Also remilia hat on the tsunderplane

O_O

Oh. My. God.

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Re: Undertale
« Reply #51 on: October 09, 2015, 12:01:19 AM »
Remilia cosplay Muffet.
This need to be a thing. :)

Also, if the game would have been in Japan, I think there would be fanart of Ran as Toriel and Chen as the child.
It's slow, but I see fanart of it being made in pixiv although so far most of it come from "western" accounts.

Anyway, I made a pacifist run and this game is awesome. I can see that lot of detail was put into it.
Also, the final battles give the final battle of Earthbound a run for its money. XD
Also, there is a decent amount of trolling made toward the players. "You have too many dogs." XD

These day, I can't help but listen to the game music while browsing the internet. XD

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Re: Undertale
« Reply #52 on: October 09, 2015, 12:29:50 AM »
In all fairness, I'm just waiting for someone to supply us with a picture of Muffet and Yamame~ XD

Also, I have the game, and seriously need to get round to playing it. I've done well to bounce around the spoilers for the most part; though I've been listening to the soundtrack for a while now. The music is just amazing~

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Re: Undertale
« Reply #53 on: October 09, 2015, 07:13:59 AM »
there's a pretty good piece of general advice for the bad time run fights

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just because you can, doesn't mean you have to

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Re: Undertale
« Reply #54 on: October 09, 2015, 08:59:38 AM »
So apparently the game has little to no sound effects when you're walking around. Definitely no wall sounds. It makes a blindfolded run way more hilarious than it has any right to be.

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Re: Undertale
« Reply #55 on: October 09, 2015, 09:59:14 AM »
So this guy has been uploading some no miss clears of bosses.
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None of the final bosses yet though, looks like.

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Re: Undertale
« Reply #56 on: October 09, 2015, 07:53:58 PM »
Speaking of "drawing Touhou characters as Undertale characters" and vice versa, one of the artists (Temmie) actually did make such a drawing.

I think this ought to not be spoilers, though if it turns out that it is, please do tell me ASAP and I'll keep it a plain link instead of an embedded image.

From: http://tuyoart.tumblr.com/post/130040097254/oops-my-fingers-slipped

Re: Undertale
« Reply #57 on: October 10, 2015, 01:45:10 AM »
I beat
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Sans

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Re: Undertale
« Reply #58 on: October 10, 2015, 03:54:07 AM »
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Remember how certain aspects of the pacifist final boss can seem a little childish when you think about it?
Snrk.
I'm sorry, it's just that I can't help but snicker a little about that particular detail sometimes.

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Re: Undertale
« Reply #59 on: October 10, 2015, 09:03:41 AM »
I always considered
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Star Blazing
to be another Touhou reference, but I can't say anything about the rest of the attacks
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Asriel
has.