Puzzle and Dragons Thread 23 - LET'S GET WET (and salty)

[commandercool]

How hard are you willing to pimp Danmaku!!

I tried, man. Most of my local game groups just got mad at it. They were like "This is a ripoff of Bang!" and I was like "It's a Bang! variant yeah, and I told you it was going to be, why are you surprised by this" and then they were like "We can't pronounce any of the names" and I was like "Fine, don't touch my stuff". I maaaaybe got one guy locally who I can get to buy a copy (plus mine obviously).

That's enough to fund Whale Till You Meta, right? Two copies? Also I will only pay retail for the copies. :V

[Moogs Parfait]

OK CC, I'm drunk and upset that a friend did something really shitty, and I spend money when I'm upset, so 60 stones.

Awilda - Fuck I'm not really into BDSM but she could convince me.
sakuya - Why is your head so huge?
meimei - monster musume turtle girl
Awilda - I think I'm gonna commission someone to make an ero Valk x Awilda
Chester - Fuck you buddy I like girl x girl cause I hate machismo and might be queer if I gave a shit
sakuya - You have Danmaku around you...better graze

why is the summer dragon so flat chested, I don't like lolis

leilan - ult chibis should be a thing, last time I spoke about it, I called the MP machine the CP machine, which sounds terrible
hera - you're so cute with your massive head and your oppai, do I even have a good dark prong team?
leilan - disciple breeder go
Chester - i'm sorry man i know you're just trying to relax since the semesters are over
leilan - the summar dragon is flatchested cause lizards aren't mammals, thus all lolis are lizards, Mia from monster musume is a freak of nature
valk - nooooo i don't want to do poring tower anymore, you're becoming MP

[trancehime]

thats the hard part done. plus eggs and awakenings left to go.

[OverlordChirei]

andro and skuld are worthless without their awakenings

m8 what u say

[Thaws]

thats the hard part done. plus eggs and awakenings left to go.

The game's gotten pretty weird.
Before, levelling max a monster was quite a hassle in itself, with supers being very rare except for dark ones, and pendra farming requiring small metal dragons.
Now it's instantly done with the abundance of noels.
And +297ing something now is like the amount of effort needed to level max something in the past, thanks to x10 descends.
Skill levelling is still as annoying as ever though ;; still find it interesting to see plus eggs being something that's like "eh I can get that done tmr with some stones and a few intense sowilo sessions"

[trancehime]

And +297ing something now is like the amount of effort needed to level max something in the past, thanks to x10 descends.
Skill levelling is still as annoying as ever though ;; still find it interesting to see plus eggs being something that's like "eh I can get that done tmr with some stones and a few intense sowilo sessions"

thats because skillups is still RNG garbage, 10x descends means you never finish a run with 0 plus eggs obtained, so it instantly blows x3 normals and x5 techs out of the water.

BTW, it took me 40 feeds to skillmax Pirate Sonia.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

valk - nooooo i don't want to do poring tower anymore, you're becoming MP

Strongly advising against this.

Chibivalk's ult form is more or less the direct upgrade that normal Valk never got (since she's always horribly shafted compared to her REM sisters). Ult Chibivalk has far, far better awakenings than her original form and really the only awakenings she lost in the transition was the +HP awakening and the two light orb enhance awakenings-- she has a direct +100 more base ATK, which covers the ATK awakening the original has.

Instead, she has triple TPA, making her way stronger than her original form, as well as a skill bind resist, which are HUGE upgrades from the subpar awakenings she normally has. In fact, Ult Chibivalk is currently the only light triple TPA in NA right now.

So I would hold on to her! She's precisely like Valk Rose in every other way down to the leader skill, but is way, way better overall. Shynpy her up if you must, she is very much worth it. Selling her for 5000 MP would be unfortunate.

[Jq1790]

Strongly advising against this.

Chibivalk's ult form is more or less the direct upgrade that normal Valk never got (since she's always horribly shafted compared to her REM sisters). Ult Chibivalk has far, far better awakenings than her original form and really the only awakenings she lost in the transition was the +HP awakening and the two light orb enhance awakenings-- she has a direct +100 more base ATK, which covers the ATK awakening the original has.

Instead, she has triple TPA, making her way stronger than her original form, as well as a skill bind resist, which are HUGE upgrades from the subpar awakenings she normally has. In fact, Ult Chibivalk is currently the only light triple TPA in NA right now.

So I would hold on to her! She's precisely like Valk Rose in every other way down to the leader skill, but is way, way better overall. Shynpy her up if you must, she is very much worth it. Selling her for 5000 MP would be unfortunate.

Seconding this with extreme prejudice. ChibiValk is probably one of my most desired chibis simply because she is so absolutely amazing.  If I had her I'd probably just write off the investments into big!Rose as a fine stopgap and then replace all instances of her with the chibi form once I got her to God mode.  Triple TPA on almost 1500 Atk, as a HEALER?

[Moogs Parfait]

I already have a max skilled chibi valk but I'll keep her around because 5k MP is so little and maybe eventually having 2 valks will be useful?

[Dorakyura]

welp, result of 15 rolls (wanted to limit myself):
chibi hera-ur
chibi-yomi
another chibi-valk
another chibi-lmeta
wetatron

not so bad, 5/15 gold  :derp:

I always thought beach meta is a mermaid, but seeing her drop is like "well, there is a leg...", dreams => crushed

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Okay, so I've mathed it out.

The 150 rank REM contains 63 possibilities, and there are 23 I don't have. Of those 23, there are 11 I actually want.

Therefore, 
Chance of non-dupe: 36.5%
Chance of non-dupe I actually want if a non-dupe is pulled: about 48%
Overall odds of pulling something I want: about 17.5%

Those odds make me nervous. I mean there's no BAD pull since anything can be converted to MP otherwise, but I feel I may have used up all my luck earlier today. :ohdear:

[commandercool]

Meanwhile I still feel that the game owes me for recent RNG shenanigans, so I have total confidence that my pull will be Andromeda. TOTAL. CONFIDENCE.

(Nah, it's going to be a fourth Ra or a duplicate of something I already own, already don't use, and couldn't possibly use two of like Izanagi, isn't it?)

[Jq1790]

Sun Quan finally ult'd.  Just need more TAMAs for him.  Oh gods all the TAMAs I need.  About thirty I think, give or take?

[Chaore]

dupe is prolly the only option

likely my fifth or so michael because fucking michael

[Edible]

I am guaranteed a neptune, so the only reason I'm even going to roll is to sell it later.

[Jq1790]

Ihave no idea what to expect from it.  Hoping for Ceres or Minerva, though a fair number of others would work too.

[Moogs Parfait]

Wait.  Is Awilda really a 3.75x leader for water types because of her stacking multipliers?

1.2(Base)*2.5(>50% HP)*1.25(5 Enhanced Orbs)=3.75

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Not counting her enhancements, she is 1.2/3/1.2 if you're running dragons, or rather 1.44/9/1.44 if you are running her as a leader. With awakenings, add 40% water damage enhancement, not counting any subs' awakenings. Tie that in with having two fast defense buffs and...  she's really damn solid. Wow, I hadn't considered that.

I wonder what her sub pool is like, though. Haven't read much into water dragons.

Edit: she gets Starling, Beyzul, Karin, Sun Quan, Awoken Orochi, Blonia, beach!Chester and Gronia, Mirage Plesios, Water Dragon Swordsman (bind removal!), Cleopatra (poison!), Leviathan, and even some less ideal stuff like the water bowl dragon for a board clearing option. Mythril also comes to mind for emergency defense (and your enhanced hp makes up for his shitty HP somewhat) and Blast Aurora Dragon (which would pop your water defense to a solid 50% and give you orb changes, and he has huge HP that you'll only further enhance). I'd list more but the monster book isn't loading well for me right now.

Overall, surprisingly fantastic for a 4*. I want her and will try to get her!

Edit2: unconventional option: Pirate king Zaerog. Fairly easy to make and packs a dragon damage boost, which will be super good considering most of these water dragons don't pack much in ATK.

[Jq1790]

That sort of reminds meof the theorycrafting from last night about what Im gonna do with AKarin....stuff is gonna be nuts.

[The Greatest Dog]

She gets Plessie's doubledongs, Starling and her two orb enhances, Sun Quan's delay, Neptune-dora...

Pirate Zaerog gives some huge bite for when you need that burst. But I'd be most concerned about having an orb-enhancer after converting anything. Mechdragons or Hera-Elsa? The latter actually has awoken skills but doesn't get the full boost.

Also, Blue Sonia and Karin. If you run those with rows, Leviathan would be preferable over Plessie.

Last resort is to just stick a second Awilda in there for 60% uptime on damage reduction and 15 orb enhances.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

If you can get a second beach Awilda at any rate, yes. Those numbers would be pretty damn impressive, actually.

Now that I'm home: you indeed can use Aldebaran as an enhancer as well as an HP stick, since he's huge, Megalodran also counts as a heartmaker, though Berry Dragon may be better because of its awakenings, and even Top Droidragon works if needed, since it's fairly bulky, gives great resist awakenings, and can punch through high defense with his skill.

All of that said, do keep in mind that an orb enhancer is not QUITE as vital as they normally would be, since you'll be way past the 100% enhanced water drop rate threshold. So that extra punch is already there to a minor extent. My main concern is that skipping out on Dragon coverage would drop your max potentials and possibly give you a harder time of dealing with things overall. It's a trade-off.

[commandercool]

Stooooop teeeeempting me monsteeeeers! You didn't sell me with your amazing pulls, but you've nearly talked me into IAPing because Awilda is fairly common and seems like a fun leader. Bastards!

Lack of orbchangers seems like her downside. I don't actually own any Dragon Swordsmen, much less the blue one. I do have two Blueberry Dragons, Orochi, Sun Quan, and my very first pull, Leviathan. I mean, under no circumstances does that actually sound worth building, but it sounds fuuuun.

Edit: Oh shit, she does just buff all water cards too. Awilda/Reine/Blueberry/Blueberry/Orochi/Awilda.

Edit edit: Oh shit is this an excuse to run Blue Hera? Alternatively, maybe Awilda/Blodin leads?

[The Greatest Dog]

Thing is, between Starling and 2x Awilda, you already have -12- enhances, but any orbs that you convert won't be enhanced by default. If you have the benefit of Bonia or Karin...

Uuggghhh Aurora Dragon converts light to water but Starling already does that.

The best combination would be Android 18 + Starling, followed by any enhance but we'll never see DBZ here

[Edible]

I went 3/5 on my first run of Gadius skillups.

That's very kind of you, game.  I suspect you'll stab me in the back shortly.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Stooooop teeeeempting me monsteeeeers! You didn't sell me with your amazing pulls, but you've nearly talked me into IAPing because Awilda is fairly common and seems like a fun leader. Bastards!

Lack of orbchangers seems like her downside. I don't actually own any Dragon Swordsmen, much less the blue one. I do have two Blueberry Dragons, Orochi, Sun Quan, and my very first pull, Leviathan. I mean, under no circumstances does that actually sound worth building, but it sounds fuuuun.

Edit: Oh shit, she does just buff all water cards too. Awilda/Reine/Blueberry/Blueberry/Orochi/Awilda.

Edit edit: Oh shit is this an excuse to run Blue Hera? Alternatively, maybe Awilda/Blodin leads?

She actually has two fairly solid farmable orbchangers in Starling and Blast Aurora Dragon-- and once Ilsix comes out, he can fit, too.

The problem with running off-Dragon types is that your HP and RCV will take a hit and you'll lose out on roughly 3x damage multiplier on whatever isn't Dragon.. If you can deal with it, that's cool, but it's something to keep in mind. But if you really want the excuse to run Hera-Is and BOdin, it works (though in that sense you may as well just run BOdin leads since you'll benefit more in the long run as long as you stick with water/god types).

If I were to make a team with her, here's what I would probably run:

Awilda/Starling/Blast Aurora Dragon or Karin or Dragon Swordsman/Zaerog/flex

wherein flex is a utility that fits as needed, such as a heartmaker like Berry, or high power and delay from Awoken Orochi.

Otherwise I'd just pack her full of stat sticks and go to town, at the price of overall damage:

Awilda/Starling/Skuld/Bodin/Orochi or Hera-Is or Karin

And there's a ton of enhances there (especially from Starling, Skuld, and Hera)-- though running Karin also brings your rows up to 5, too, giving you a solid 50% boost on rows, which are further enhanced by BOdin's active.

[Edible]

Those teams really need a water enhance, and I think all the usable dragon water enhances are from JP-only collabs :fail:

[commandercool]

Speaking of blue dragons, I just finished this monstrosity:



I imagine there are probably VERY few of these in the world. Would be interested to see evidence of others.

Getting those last few HP eggs took forever. His ATK and RCV have been maxed for three days, and Liu Bei is +66 already off of his leftovers.

[Janitor Morgan]

Those teams really need a water enhance, and I think all the usable dragon water enhances are from JP-only collabs :fail:

http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=284

[Edible]

Wow.

I somehow managed to completely forget that set got a water enhance at some point.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Aldebaran's legit for these purposes, though it'd be really nice if the RGB mechdragons got some ults going on like Canopener and Hadar got so they at least get decent awakes.

Though my question is this: Would water orb enhance actives outweigh the benefit of Zaerog's burst/gravity or Orochi's 4 turn delay? Because I see those as more beneficial overall, personally. But I didn't crunch any numbers here either, so.