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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #180 on: January 31, 2016, 07:35:38 AM »
Yorihime says that when she fights Reimu in Silent Sinner in Blue, iirc.

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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #181 on: January 31, 2016, 08:29:29 AM »
She also says it in CiLR when Reimu thinks her drink was poisoned. Plus not wanting kegare on the moon pretty much necessitates not killing.

The stuff with them attempting to execute Kaguya is a bit strange considering if the Hourai Elixir was forbidden for some reason they should have already known Kaguya couldn't die. This point is never mentioned again in passages about Kaguya's exile, so I personally chalk it up to another instance of IN's writing being wonky and undeveloped at the time when contrasted against Bougetsushou. Back with IN, kegare wasn't even a thing yet and the Lunarian society probably wasn't well thought-out, so it makes sense that there happens to be a conflict.
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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #182 on: January 31, 2016, 08:38:08 AM »
Yeah, IN has basically been retconned by every single later moonwork, so I'd take anything it says with a grain of salt. Let us never forget Reisen's companions who died in the moon war that didn't happen.

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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #183 on: February 08, 2016, 09:39:20 AM »
Not mine, but one i found on twitter.
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今気づいた。サグメ様、攻撃モーション時に自分の羽根一枚切り離して放ってる。画像で言う4~6枚目
高速な手の動きは、コレ羽根一枚スパッと切って発射する動きだったんやな
そして、もしかしたらあの陰陽玉型弾幕発射機は羽根から出来てた……?
Basically, when Sagume attacks, she displays this animation. In frames 4-6, a small feather fragment is separated from her wings. Look at her hand making a slash. Google is a dubious translator so i don't know if she is cutting herself or throwing the feather with her hand. This guy guesses if her yin yang orbs are made out of feathers.
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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #184 on: February 08, 2016, 09:50:47 AM »
Seems like she is slicing off one of her feathers, yeah.

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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #185 on: February 18, 2016, 07:33:46 PM »
I've seen some photos of WaHH 32.
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is another one about setsubun. There's also Mamizou and others tanuki, but even more interesting, there's a panel with Kasen's shadow/silhouette having horns (!).
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« Reply #186 on: February 19, 2016, 09:22:01 AM »
Spoiler:
It's Mamizou's envisioning of her being an oni, though.

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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #187 on: February 19, 2016, 09:46:25 AM »
Even if you can't read Japanese, I'm not really sure how people are reading so much into that panel.

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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #188 on: February 29, 2016, 08:55:01 AM »
This got picked up on Twitter, but apparently one guy took the dates and occurrences that happened in the Sealing Club CD stories.

・蓮台野夜行は11月3日
- Ghostly Field Club takes place on November 3rd

・蓮台野の2時30分に盤面の月が見える
- The surface of the moon is visible at 2:30 am on that day

・大空魔術の日は満月
- There is a full moon on the day that Magical Astronomy takes place

・大空の日、日の入前に宵の明星が見えるほど金星が明るい
- On that day, Venus is bright enough to be seen before the sun sets

・大空は卯酉東海道を挟んで蓮台野の翌々年
- MA takes place two years after GFC, with Retrospective in between

これらを満たすのは
蓮台野夜行 2151年11月3日
大空魔術  2153年1月10日のみ

The only real-life dates that correspond to this sequence of events are:
GFC - November 3rd, 2151
MA - January 10th, 2153

The reasoning being that this is that in MA, Renko says "At 16:31, I saw the evening star." (AKA Venus), and that the sun sets at the earliest point in Kyoto around December through January, which is about 4:50 pm. This also coincides with the period when Venus is bright enough to be visible to the naked eye.

And then, he followed up with a summary:

2151年11月3日  蓮台野夜行の墓回し
2151年12月   「博麗神社を見に行かない?(紅葉の終わり頃」
2152年9月20日頃 卯酉東海道(※秋の彼岸の場合)
2153年1月10日  大空魔術
2153年8月以降  月面ツアーの予定時期(夏休み以降なので

November 3rd, 2151 - Events at Rendaino
December 2151 - Renko suggests going to the Hakurei Shrine at the end of GFC
September 20th, 2152 - Riding the Boyo Tokaido Line (sometime during the Autumn Equinox)
January 10th, 2153 - Magical Astronomy
August 2513 or later - Scheduled visit to the moon (since it's after summer vacation)

Considering how ZUN has been trying to line up events in the game with real-world times (even as recent as ULiL where Kasen mentions lifting a 130-year ban that coincides with the formation of the Hakurei Barrier), this theory seems quite plausible. It would also give time for Sumireko to have descendants (that somehow still bear her family name) and for Tokyo to recede enough that Kyoto becomes the capital again.

Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #189 on: February 29, 2016, 02:35:53 PM »
Interesting. Honestly, I doubt ZUN was thinking about it that much, although I guess it's not implausible to pick a year and then look up starcharts or whatever for it.

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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #190 on: February 29, 2016, 02:42:52 PM »
Yeah this is a pretty impressive fanalysis, though I agree with Clarste that I can't imagine ZUN sitting down with star chats and calendars working this all out beforehand.

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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #191 on: March 12, 2016, 04:47:07 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XuhzO-2bYU
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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #192 on: March 12, 2016, 09:22:46 PM »
You know I'm seeing theories everywhere that Kosuzu might become a Youkai at the end of FS. All things considered, ZUN is not tasteless enough to kill her off. Even if she does become a Youkai, I'm sure ZUN will find a way to make a happy ending.

I also don't get the appeal of the fairy characters. I'm mostly meh toward them with a twinge of annoyance once someone talks about them too much.

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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #193 on: March 12, 2016, 10:28:47 PM »
It kind of bothers me that most Touhou fangames I've seen are based on EoSD.  While it is personally my favourite of the main series, I would like to see some originality story-wise.
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« Reply #194 on: March 13, 2016, 02:24:03 AM »
What's on the paper manual of PoDD is the same thing as the text manual, 夢時空_1.TXT. Yeah. So no worries. Although I wonder what's on the first page of every paper manual. My friend who knows Japanese looked at a picture of it and said that it's about not letting kids watch too much TV and people who confuse anime with reality.
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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #195 on: March 13, 2016, 02:33:06 AM »
Am I the only one who finds the whistle in Mystia's theme a bit... Weird?

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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #196 on: March 13, 2016, 04:12:17 AM »
I've always done fanfics, create.swf comics, etc. about Parsee turning into a monster. Considering she's in Gensokyo and there's no common sense there, she can get so jealous she'll become a literal monster. With fangs and wings.
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« Reply #197 on: March 13, 2016, 04:21:33 AM »
I never understood the "Hina Face" meme.  Could I get some more clarification on that?
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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #198 on: March 13, 2016, 04:33:19 AM »
I never understood the "Hina Face" meme.  Could I get some more clarification on that?
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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #199 on: March 13, 2016, 05:14:15 AM »
I never understood the "Hina Face" meme.  Could I get some more clarification on that?
it's a particularly dumb ZUN face

that's literally it

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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #200 on: March 15, 2016, 02:19:40 PM »
Okay, I know that Marisa's name is meant by ZUN to be a feminine-sounding Japanese name...

However, as mentioned in a recent post in the "You Know You're Addicted To Touhou When...", the name "Marisa" is also a legit American first name, whether spelled the way it is or with two "s".
So does that mean Marisa is unofficially half-American? The not-normal-for-Asians blonde hair seems to support this theory...
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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #201 on: March 15, 2016, 02:31:18 PM »
Why would you make the leap to "American" and not just conclude it can sound like a western name in general, or at the least might have some western influence? Regardless, what makes this any different from the legions of western names ZUN uses?

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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #202 on: March 15, 2016, 02:48:44 PM »
So does that mean Marisa is unofficially half-American? The not-normal-for-Asians blonde hair seems to support this theory...

I think this would be a huge stretch to make. Not just because "Marisa" is not necessarily an "American" name, either, but because things like name and hair color can be taken up anywhere. They do not necessarily imply nationality, at all. And given all the western or western-sounding names and funky hair colors already used by the 2hus, this assumption on Marisa's ethnicity makes even less sense.

It's an Occam's Razor thing here. The simplest explanation is probably the right one. Trying to squint hard enough to look at Marisa as "unofficially half-American" assumes a whole pile of necessary data points that we just don't have.

e: Also, in the future try and keep miscellaneous questions to the Misc Questions thread.
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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #203 on: March 20, 2016, 02:19:34 AM »
So when Reimu is real depressed, she makes that weird face? (SoEW ending discussion)
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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #204 on: March 20, 2016, 03:11:03 AM »
 Heh, I just realized that not only Ichirin's spellcard portrait in ULiL copies Byakuren's scroll, but she also copies her pose from HM. 

It also seems that both her and Futo have the same pose when using their last words. 

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« Reply #205 on: March 29, 2016, 08:59:53 AM »
An old interview from just after when MoF was released got put on the wiki relatively recently, and I finally found the time I get that translated: http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Chara%E2%98%86Mel/Mountain_of_Faith_interview_with_ZUN

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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #206 on: March 29, 2016, 02:14:51 PM »
Wouldn't it be awesome if Shiki was part of the R.I.P.D.? If you seen the movie though.

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« Reply #207 on: March 29, 2016, 08:35:50 PM »
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Interviewer: Do you think Sanae will be playable at some point?
ZUN: Not really. It might be hard to pull off since she's a goddess with incredible powers.
Huh, interesting. Seems ZUN's Original idea for Sanae was a bit different than what it is now.
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« Reply #208 on: March 30, 2016, 02:20:56 AM »
An old interview from just after when MoF was released got put on the wiki relatively recently, and I finally found the time I get that translated: http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Chara%E2%98%86Mel/Mountain_of_Faith_interview_with_ZUN
This is good. I like how long it took the western fandom to draw explicit connections in the mythology behind the game despite there being an interview that straight-up lists them.

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Re: Miscelleneous Touhou thoughts and commentary.
« Reply #209 on: March 30, 2016, 03:10:38 AM »
True, but it's not like archiving these things has been that much of a priority to the greater fandom, and if Masuo hadn't even have transcribed the thing in the first place, I would've had no idea it existed.