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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #210 on: April 08, 2015, 03:24:25 PM »
man I was really looking forward to finally rolling scum.  At least my streak is still alive.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #211 on: April 08, 2015, 03:27:36 PM »
Because this is his vote on Dormio. Now for a mental exercise, you go through his posts and tell me why he's voting for Dormio and maintaining his vote. Here's a hint:
That's it. RVS shenanigans and no further attempt to say anything about anything Dormio's posted afterwards, or much of an opinion on anyone else. Did he attach a conclusion to noting both Dormio and Serela claimed scum? No, he noted they both did x, but never said why Dormio is worse than Serela, or what he thinks of Serela for (allegedly) doing it.

I'll bend at this, i forgot he was just holding an RVS vote. honestly i didn't even re-check

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What? You have to rephrase this, I don't understand what you're saying. Dormio's saying he'd rather lynch Sky Pal over O4rfish, that's fine. Then he describes regular Sky Paladin actions which are just stupid, but not necessarily scummy. He's voting Sky Paladin for being Sky Paladin, which is about as criminal as stealing candy from a baby. And about as easy, too.

this is the tl;dr i was asking for earlier, and ngl it makes far more sense than what i was thinking

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I don't understand why you think my beef with O4rfish is weak. He doesn't even have a Dormio case.

Addressed in first response


I just want to snipe at this: I think this is a hilarious argument. Sky Paladin has made a lot of noise and everyone's looked at him, and you accuse him of being overly cautious when he airs what everyone else is thinking? No one's 100% convinced they've got their vote on scum. Pretending we are is part of the game, but Sky Paladin's Mafia MMR is like, 500. You're putting a lot of weight on a statement that isn't even a tell at all.

I don't care if he types up a fourteen page thesis as to why he thinks somebody is scum, or puts out a fourteen word sentence that explains his case. if he says something suspicious, it's suspicious. You can be careful about how you phrase things, and you can be careful about talking too much. I think he was being careful about how he phrased his justification.

For a comparison, let me offer this analogy. You and your brother, the most popular and sociable guys around, are playing baseball in the neighborhood sandlot and you hit a homerun that goes through somebody's window, breaking it. Now, you can be noisy and obnoxious or you could be shy and subverted, but when you jump out and say "I didn't do it" when somebody asks "do you know what happened to Mr Johnson's window?, rather than saying something like "I didn't see" or "I'm not sure", something just seems off.

This is basically how I'm interpreting skypaladin's "not 100% sure" line. So yes, I am putting a lot of weight on what I believe to be a slip, because i believe it's a slip. I don't know much about Skypaladin and I'm not gonna be assed to research his past seven games; what i see here is what i see

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You're portraying a reality where Scum Paladin makes a lot of noise by zealously jumping onto Serela and arguing a lot, and then overly cautiously clarifies he's not 100% convinced. Now, if you say Sky Paladin is backpedalling in a scummy way (note: Townies can wake up with the epiphany that they were wrong), I'll be happy to hear arguments... But at this juncture, if you're going to claim "weak case" in others as significant, you're going to have to put more effort and show me why Sky Paladin is indubitably scum, or more scummy than everyone else.

How does his bickering "seem forced"? Perhaps you can Press a specific statement and show the rest of the gallery what about Sky Paladin's testimony is bogus.



Skypaladin's posts:
#118 looks like a fireprod  test rather than anything else
#121 looks like a straw-grasp, because serela responded to the "fake" comment with what he assumed was directed at the only part of his post that actually made any sense and wasn't just filler fluff
#144's first third touches on the 118->121 test, which honestly reads as one of those "damned if you do damned if you don't" tests that Mitsuki pulled earlier in the game in which no matter what the response was, skypaladin would've just pulled the opposite reason out and used it against serela. I can't say this is a fact since what happened has already happened, but my gut is telling me that this was a test with intention of response and that no amount of even passable logic would've changed Skypaladin's pov towards Serela, which just ain't right yo

--cut--

nevermind the 6 posts don't change much
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #212 on: April 08, 2015, 03:29:29 PM »
What? :S I mean if I read into it really hard I guess I can kind of see where that's coming from, but that's the most passive and ineffective attempt to try to do that I've ever heard of. It doesn't look anything like a disagreement with Mitsuki's case because it never brings up Mitsuki, or a case, or even really the subject matter, and... I'm not sure how that's supposed to lead into Bard being direct? It's like writing a really polite complaint letter that tones everything down for politeness to a degree where the point of the letter itself is lost

man I was really looking forward to finally rolling scum.  At least my streak is still alive.
is this cut o4rfish claiming scum? (the other cut is too long I'm just posting this now.)
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #213 on: April 08, 2015, 03:30:52 PM »
since I got cut I probably should have put somewhere in the first part of that post that I was still talking to o4rfish
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #214 on: April 08, 2015, 04:48:10 PM »
I think we have about 5 hours left to deadline? More consolidating votes would be nice! Also I got called in to work so I'll be leaving in 3.5 hours and won't be present for deadline.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #215 on: April 08, 2015, 05:37:03 PM »
Can we get some votals up in this game?

I'll be here for phase end but I'm done for today.  I'm not super keen on a new wagon at deadline tbh particularly as I haven't had any real interactions with Oarfish and no time to review his ISO.

Wait, you can do ISOs?  How?

Dormio, I would consolidate on, but i don't think we'd get that much in terms of associative reads regarding dormio's wagon and such if he was lynched (he? she? idk anything anymore).

Why would you consolidate on Dormio?  "Wow, this dude is tunneling the same dude that I'm tunneling, ergo scum".   Ugh, this like really bothers me but I can't explain why.  Like, if you're so sure that Sky Paladin scumslipped, it makes absolutely no sense.  Do you think that Dormio is bussing D1?  Wow, he must really not like Sky Paladin then.

man I was really looking forward to finally rolling scum.  At least my streak is still alive.

If you're going to scum claim, can you be a little more obvious about it (look, you can even WIFOM all you want after you do it, perfect deal right)?  Please?

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #216 on: April 08, 2015, 05:40:26 PM »
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Wait, you can do ISOs?  How?
go to their profile page, click on profile info near the top, and then show posts
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #217 on: April 08, 2015, 05:43:07 PM »
@Refa I'm saying i would consolidate on dormio just to get a lynch if people are against a skypaladin lynch that strongly because despite reading skypaladin as scum i'm not really overly townreading dormio
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #218 on: April 08, 2015, 07:11:21 PM »
>.> Did everyone die, deadline is getting progressively scarier and I don't think anyone is even -close- to being lynched
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #219 on: April 08, 2015, 07:18:35 PM »
Are We Even Lynching Today? - Votals
Sky_Paladin (4) - Elieson, Dr Rawr, Dormio
Dormio (5) - O4rfish, Zakeri, ActionDan, Sky_Paladin, SB
O4rfish (4) - Bardiche, Mitsuki, Refa, Serela
Bardiche (0) -
Mitsuki (1) - BT
Serela (1) - NekoRex
NekoRex (0) -
Not Voting: None!

You have LESS THAN 3 HOURS remaining in the day. With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch




You guys are gonna force me to vote Dormio aren't you? >:T
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #220 on: April 08, 2015, 07:19:18 PM »
yes that says 4 votes on skyp when he only has 3, I noticed, it's too late now >:C
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #221 on: April 08, 2015, 07:38:33 PM »
I'm kind of here but at the same time I'm not since I need to go out really soon, even though it's 5:30am.
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #222 on: April 08, 2015, 07:55:11 PM »
not me over me

this is the scummiest line ever obviscum votevotevote i banish you to hosting games on SF for the next two years

UGH

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #223 on: April 08, 2015, 07:55:58 PM »
A Sky wagon is out of the question isn't it?

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Not super psyched over Oarfish/Dormio wagons, but I prefer Oarfish. His posts don't radiate an aura of getting stuff done, nor did I find them townie, nor did I find the defense pretty good.

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #224 on: April 08, 2015, 08:13:27 PM »
Still very much ok with lynching dormio

Don't lynch me.

Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #225 on: April 08, 2015, 08:14:58 PM »
I think it's clear cut that Oarfish claimed scum, since he made no posts after what he said replying to Serela, who asked if he was claiming scum.
So yeah, it makes no sense to lynch anyone other than him today.

I think that if Oarfish gave up just like that it probably means he was being bussed.

Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #226 on: April 08, 2015, 08:19:56 PM »
If you guys are not convinced that Oarfish is scum yet, just look at his recent posts.
In the first one he's pretty much just throwing random suspicions without a reason, and the second one is plain scum rethoric.

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #227 on: April 08, 2015, 08:22:39 PM »
why u gotta be so mitsuasive? i could sheep this #226

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Elieson

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #228 on: April 08, 2015, 08:24:08 PM »
but his last post ugh i don't see scum posting that ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #229 on: April 08, 2015, 08:25:32 PM »
eh maybe it'd be better to unvote, he's at L-1

Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #230 on: April 08, 2015, 08:27:21 PM »
Pretty sure you guys have 1 hour and 33 minutes remaining.

I'll votecount at some point if Prims doesn't show up to do it.

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #231 on: April 08, 2015, 08:30:49 PM »
The fact that O4rfish just stopped posting after that seems like a pretty decent sign he probably meant to be claiming scum there. Otherwise he'd at least go "what, no" when everyone's all "wait, I think he just claimed scum?" because it's not like he didn't have a counterwagon in Dormio.

Putting him at l-1 isn't that bad because nothing's really happening and there's only an hour and a half left. (Of course, letting people get last words in just in case is also good so long as you you're still gonna be here to revote him soon)

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #232 on: April 08, 2015, 08:32:31 PM »
it's bad to put him at L-1 because I don't want him to self hammer

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #233 on: April 08, 2015, 08:43:11 PM »
As for Oarfish's buddies, he claimed scum when only Bard, me, Refa and Serela were voting him, and I think he was being bussed already (which is why I think he gave up). So, having that in mind:

- Refa: His vote was the 3rd on Oarfish and it basically made the wagon a possibility, I don't see scum voting their buddy like that. His approach was also not flashy at all, if he was bussing he'd try to gain some towncred by lynching his buddy.

- Serela: All I said for Refa applies to some extent, and he had no reason at all to switch his vote from Sky Paladin.


... Ugh, I can't see Bardiche as scum either, so twhatever. I'll just leave the townreads there in case someone wants to check them.

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #234 on: April 08, 2015, 08:59:18 PM »
##Unvote
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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #235 on: April 08, 2015, 09:03:42 PM »
wait shit i thought there was 1 minute left because forum time is off for me and we desperately needed a lynch

is there still time

Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #236 on: April 08, 2015, 09:06:19 PM »
54 minutes left



More votals - Votals
Sky_Paladin (1) - Dr Rawr,
Dormio (4) - O4rfish, Zakeri, ActionDan, Sky_Paladin
O4rfish (6) - Bardiche, Refa, Serela, Dormio, BT, Elieson,
Serela (1) - NekoRex
Not Voting: Mitsuki, SB

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch
« Last Edit: April 08, 2015, 09:13:28 PM by Vhaltz »

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #237 on: April 08, 2015, 09:07:06 PM »
after actually reading oarfish's posts i don't see the scumclaim serela is talking about help

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #238 on: April 08, 2015, 09:11:56 PM »
##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio

BT why are you against this?

SB

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Re: Volcanic Mafia 2015 - Day 1
« Reply #239 on: April 08, 2015, 09:13:34 PM »
Dan, what do you think of Oarfish and Sky?