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Bardiche

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #270 on: February 10, 2015, 09:54:54 PM »
Well, Raikaria had a mod-sanctioned leave of absence. What exactly do you use as the basis to determine he's Scum? Why not Shadoweh or even Sky Paladin?

Bardiche

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #271 on: February 10, 2015, 10:05:14 PM »
I discussed with neighbours.

##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria


L-1.

Bardiche

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #272 on: February 10, 2015, 10:09:26 PM »
To clarify: I like the case on Zakeri. Not in small part because I conceived it myself. But when I examine Raikaria's content this game, it becomes plainly obvious that he's refuged in audacity on Day 1, and despite his mod-sanctioned leave of absence on Day 2, the times he did post contained nothing of importance. It felt like he made a token effort to be active but never really did much with those tokens.

There's really no compelling reason to suffer Raikaria to live, and in the chance Zakeri is not the final scum, it's more difficult to detect scum between Total Lurker and Low Content than just a battle of Low Content: I am confident that a situation where Zakeri, Sky Paladin, Shadoweh, Mitsuki and I are alive is much more likely to yield proper scum hunting than a situation where Raikaria is alive, simply because his contribution to this game has been marked by gross disregard for actually playing the game.

tl;dr let's lynch Raikaria for being lurkscum to the max, and if there's still a scumbag after that, we'll figure it out through pressing them, and actual scumhunting. There's no scumhunting to be done when one party persists in hiding in the shadows.

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #273 on: February 10, 2015, 10:10:19 PM »
##UNvote

Obligatory "let's avoid quickhammer" unvote, but pretend my vote is on Raikaria.

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #274 on: February 10, 2015, 10:34:08 PM »
I was just reading through the thread and saw Shadoweh replace in and then got bad memories of how I was left behind so often. Oh my dear Shadoweh~ :ohdear:
Zakky-chaaaaan <^_^> Don't worry, I had a good night's slahahahaha okaay I stayed up all night reading mafia. I thought Raikaria was suspicious when I replaced in and the feeling hasn't diminished now, instead of going for an easy way out on Raikaria or Zakeri, Rawr was insistant on pushing a weird case on Sky Paladin. I can't say I'm very good at telling when Zak is lying to me but I do not think Zak would give up this easily since it didn't happen when we were buddies torn sadly apart in.. was it Dwarf Fortress? The one where we poisoned Conq and I woke up dead. That one.


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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #275 on: February 10, 2015, 10:36:26 PM »
Also showing up after the wagon disappeared on him Day 1 with a kind of gaping 'uh yeah i'll lynch the easy person sure' look reminded me of how cool I like to play it when people forget why they made quickwagons on me. He didn't seem mad at all? Usually he gets more riled up, I think.


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Bardiche

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #276 on: February 10, 2015, 10:46:32 PM »
Shadoweh pls post more I love seeing you post I was sad all day yesterday when you didn't post. :'(

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #277 on: February 10, 2015, 11:21:16 PM »
I'm sorry! My heart is for everyone! The other reason I don't think this is as straightforward as it looks is Rawr didn't claim another role. Having been neighbours I know Rawr is a looney but if he has someone good with him he can follow orders just fine, so his partner is probably inexperienced and didn't think they had to tell him not to claim the nightkill.

..Even if it was funny. <.<


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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #278 on: February 10, 2015, 11:25:21 PM »
I thought this game was solved; so I am unsure as to why people are voting for me.

I feel like this is too much of a justification not to vote Rawr. Sure, Rawr was at L-2 and I get that some people don't like to leave players at L-1, but this comes across as self-conscious.
Come on you even quoted the post...

I come back and apparently things are solved.

I don't have much to add on the matter; because I am fairly confident that Bard's Tracker claim is legitimate; after all; Tracker is the role I wanted but did not get [I am a Vanilla]; and we were tied. So I have every reason to believe a tracker claim.

Not gonna vote yet because I *think* Rawr is L-1?


So don't try to justify a lynch on me with me not wanting to put Rawr at L-1; because I already thought he WAS L-1.

Zakeri's case on me seems to basically be 'He was v/la so didn't vote'

I'm honestly fine with being lynched; because I'm Vanilla Town and that should end the game; how MotK Town can lose 5/1 with a save obviously a factor is beyond me.

But ideally I'd rather lynch the scum.

And considering as Bardiche pointed out in 235; Zak seemed to know something he and Rawr would have no other way of knowing...

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #279 on: February 10, 2015, 11:27:04 PM »
And honestly; don't try to quickwagon me for being lurkscum when I was v/la D2 and D3 only just started. I was in London. At a convention. From like 9am for travel until midnight.


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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #280 on: February 10, 2015, 11:33:08 PM »
So don't try to justify a lynch on me with me not wanting to put Rawr at L-1; because I already thought he WAS L-1.

That's actually the second time you justified not voting Rawr. I didn't find that one scummy. What I'm talking about, and quoted, is from a couple of days before.

Bardiche

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #281 on: February 10, 2015, 11:37:04 PM »
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I don't have much to add on the matter; because I am fairly confident that Bard's Tracker claim is legitimate; after all; Tracker is the role I wanted but did not get [I am a Vanilla]; and we were tied. So I have every reason to believe a tracker claim.

You raising this is actually interesting: you won the RPS and therefore picked before I did. If you tried to pick Tracker, and did not get it, what made you think -I- would be able to get Tracker?

That logic doesn't check out at all.

Sky_Paladin

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #282 on: February 11, 2015, 12:11:57 AM »
Couple of things. 

First up I was pretty sure in the previous day, Zak claimed scum three times in a series of small posts:
"I openly surrender my position"
Argues against Mitsuki's clear on Shadoweh because it's not possible to have gut on no content. 
Votes Rawr because no reason not to. 

And then today -
"I would have given up but it would not end the game." - But we know there's no ITP since the OP said 2 scums 7 towns. 

But then this from Bard
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You raising this is actually interesting: you won the RPS and therefore picked before I did. If you tried to pick Tracker, and did not get it, what made you think -I- would be able to get Tracker?

Which I saw yesterday and also agreed.  Raikaria said a lot of impossible things this game. 

Anyway I figure I'll hold off voting for a liiiiittle while, but I feel like Rawr's suicidal apathy last phase was because Zak and he were up for lynch and they didn't have the gumption to wagon each other. 

Oh right, lack of nightkill.  I presume that means we either had a doc block or a town block on a scum hit or scum idled. 

I think a mass claim would be helpful since Zak has to claim rolecop and that would explain why he outed Just as a neighbour.  And if he lies about his role, I will know. 
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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #283 on: February 11, 2015, 12:23:52 AM »
Why don't we just ask Zakeri to claim, then? I've been thinking about it and I don't think we should massclaim yet.

@Zakeri: claim your role.

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #284 on: February 11, 2015, 12:42:16 AM »
Votecount 3.1
Raikaria (2): Mitsuki, Zakeri (L-2)
Zakeri (1): Raikaria

Not Voting (3): Shadoweh, Sky Paladin, Bard

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. You have 65 hours left in the phase.

Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #285 on: February 11, 2015, 01:28:54 AM »
I've been carrying some heavy information about roles since the beginning of the game as a result of what happened. I've been debating whether I should give full details or just claim Vanilla, but I think the full claim might help others reach a conclusion faster.

I picked Doctor.
I protected nobody on night one.
I protected nobody on night two.

Quote from: Raikaria
Zakeri's case on me seems to basically be 'He was v/la so didn't vote'
It's actually more that you were active lurking than simply not voting, but either way you were making some time to read the game and not offering anything useful with that time.

Quote from: SkyPaladin
"I would have given up but it would not end the game." - But we know there's no ITP since the OP said 2 scums 7 towns. 
the joke here is that I'm insisting I'm not the last scum.

Sky_Paladin

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #286 on: February 11, 2015, 01:48:51 AM »
##vote Zakeri
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Sky_Paladin

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #287 on: February 11, 2015, 01:52:16 AM »
##unvote

WAIT I just understood what he said there.
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Sky_Paladin

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #288 on: February 11, 2015, 01:55:08 AM »
My first thought was "You picked doctor and didn't protect anybody?  SCUM" but then I realised what he meant by just claiming vanilla. 

You picked doc but got vanilla.  OK. 

That claim does not clash with what I have so I can't call him a liar. 

If somebody higher up can counter claim him though then let's wrap this game up.  Otherwise I can vote Raikaria. 
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Sky_Paladin

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #289 on: February 11, 2015, 02:07:47 AM »
Actually I realise that nobody will counter claim Zak so. 

Consider this my vote on Raikaria.  I think that's L+1 now.  I see Bard didn't hammer so I assume he has something else up his sleeve and will not hammer at the moment. 
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Shadoweh

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #290 on: February 11, 2015, 02:23:59 AM »
How would you counterclaim that anyways? "You can't know that there is a Dio Brando in the game because I AM DIO BRANDO!"
I fully admit I first read that and thought Zakeri was giving up really dramatically though. >.>


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Sky_Paladin

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #291 on: February 11, 2015, 02:30:14 AM »
I would counterclaim him because I know what roles aren't in the game, so if he claimed one of those he would be dead.  Similiarly he could not also claim doctor unless he had actually picked doctor. 
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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #292 on: February 11, 2015, 02:36:57 AM »
I could also potentially be counter claimed by Shadoweh and Mitsuki working in conjuncture, or by a Tracker result, in the hypothetical that I happen to be lying. Of course the tracker result could be questioned anyways because of the lack of NK.

Sky_Paladin

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #293 on: February 11, 2015, 06:11:05 AM »
While we're waiting, Zak, could you please explain what this post was about, seeing as you are now claiming that you are NOT scum who had given up?
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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #294 on: February 11, 2015, 09:13:41 AM »
Because ... I surrendered? And the game ... didn't end when I did?
It doesn't prove anything because it can be taken as a joke that I submitted to SB wasn't true, but that's the kind of joke I've been pushing forward.

Raikaria

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #295 on: February 11, 2015, 10:20:35 AM »
You raising this is actually interesting: you won the RPS and therefore picked before I did. If you tried to pick Tracker, and did not get it, what made you think -I- would be able to get Tracker?

That logic doesn't check out at all.

I wasn't told if I won or lost the RPS actually. I assumed I lost.


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Raikaria

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #296 on: February 11, 2015, 10:41:39 AM »
Actually...

Between be being confused about rolespec D1; v/la D2; and town putting me at 'L+1' D3; I actually think this is the best idea; we know there's a Tracker in the game; and we know there's a Doctor.

We know the Doctor knows one inno from the lack of nightkill D2 as well.

And we know it's 5-1.

And let's face it; scum ain't killing me anyway.

Outside of lynching the scum; which is probobly either Zakeri or Mitsuki IMO; this is the best play. Thin the playing field for the power roles. I'm too out of the loop after D2 to really catch up or be too useful anyway and I'm just a nilla.

#Unvote
#Vote: Raikaria


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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #297 on: February 11, 2015, 11:48:09 AM »
Raikaria, why do you think I'm scum?

Raikaria

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #298 on: February 11, 2015, 12:42:07 PM »
I think it's less likely than Zakeri, but put simply; you don't have much proving you either way; you pushed pretty hard on Dormio D1; and you clearly missed some of my reasoning for not pushing Rawr D2 to attack me. Also you came up in a few other people's roleshens posts as a possible scum.

It's basically that I know you pushed hard on two townies, and Roleshens dosen't seem to make you squeaky clean.


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Bardiche

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Re: Draft Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #299 on: February 11, 2015, 12:57:46 PM »
Sky Pal, please claim. Since you claimed Zak couldn't lie, I'm interested now.

Raikaria, I was told I lost. Five times. In a row.