Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -13F

[Yamiji]

My brain must have farted, I feel so stupid now ><
Thank you for the swift help

[Shivanic]

It seems like the game makers expected people to wipe that much by around F5, there should be a bunch blank spots in the roster until you see kasen,

[Kaitani]

I guess defense-ignoring attacks are overrated, or Flandre is way overpowered, since I've breezed my way through to F13 without having to change my initial party composition (

Spoiler:

I did bring in Yuyuko and Reisen to cheese out the instant death on Ame-no-Murakumo

).
Hardest boss before F6 Tenshi was Mokou, since Flandre's nukes were rather ineffective against her (still the biggest damage I could do, go figure). Against F6 Tenshi I buffed Flande as much as I could (and Hard Mode let me) and grinded to lvl 30. Flandre ended up hitting for 30k+ with Laevetain.
F9 Tenshi pretty much got stuck in her %-based actions and died very fast, and F12 Tenshi was even easier. Since I had to try the fight several times for the drops, I went and tried to give Flandre as many buffs as possible during the fight for her attacks. On my final attempt I hit Tenshi first for 35k and then for 62k with Starbow Break, giving Tenshi only 2 turns, which were used on buffing and focus. I haven't even upgraded any stats on her in the library since 6F Tenshi.

Doing this run got me thinking: is it possible to pick a party of 12 and beat each and every boss in the game without swapping anyone out at any point (BP farm excluded to unlock stuff), post game included? And obviously doing all the fights at challenge level. There are quite a few situational boss fights where a certain character should be put in (poison/shock users for example) as well as the need to have some really tanky characters (enhanced mirror), so squeezing all the needed characters to 12 slots is not that easy.

[Yookie]

Not reassembling your party is definitely possible and Flandre makes defense ignoring unnecessary since she just deals so much damage.

[Shivanic]

Doing this run got me thinking: is it possible to pick a party of 12 and beat each and every boss in the game without swapping anyone out at any point (BP farm excluded to unlock stuff), post game included? And obviously doing all the fights at challenge level. There are quite a few situational boss fights where a certain character should be put in (poison/shock users for example) as well as the need to have some really tanky characters (enhanced mirror), so squeezing all the needed characters to 12 slots is not that easy.

First, let's define all bosses, is the f6 stairs boss, F9 stairs boss after fight and f12 stairs boss after fight required? As these bosses can technicly be skipped while still completing the game.

secondly, is this gonna be a hard mode game? And for the post game bosses, how high should the viole levels be at most?

Thirdly, are we gonna have all 12 at the start or can we sub until we can get them in during the course of a normal game? (or is no subbing allowed?)

[Kaitani]

First, let's define all bosses, is the f6 stairs boss, F9 stairs boss after fight and f12 stairs boss after fight required? As these bosses can technicly be skipped while still completing the game.

All of these can be skipped, since you still need to "win" the F6 fight by not getting yourself wiped.

secondly, is this gonna be a hard mode game? And for the post game bosses, how high should the viole levels be at most?

Hard Mode game, and following the same rules even into post game. Voile levels will need some math to not overshoot them.

Thirdly, are we gonna have all 12 at the start or can we sub until we can get them in during the course of a normal game? (or is no subbing allowed?)

Start the challenge with new game+, so you can pick your 12 right at the start.

[Garlyle]

If you do it on Hard Mode, you might have to be a little more careful about what combinations of characters you run.  Without some form of dealing with the high defense bosses (either exceptionally high offense ala Flandre, lots of debuffing, piercing attacks, or poison) you will probably roadblock at some point - otherwise I'd wager possible, but difficult.

[BurntToast12]

Cirno For Immortal Tier

Note: No Hacking Used.

[DarkAtma]

I was thinking of doing a NG+ Hard mode just using the SDM crew ( I recall someone succeeding with team 9,idk how far they got) However i feel i will be speed gimped due to the fact that SDM bonus/Meiling Skill doesnt provide said Speed like it says, opinions if its doable? (Will probably hit a brick wall at Deside eater, Unless flandre is so overleveled to 1 genji glove leavetin it, Great C too)

EDIT

How did i suddenly unlocked the defeat 1 and 3 strengthen bosses achievement from the start? will this affect the strength bosses in the future?

[Aminosa]

That feel when the only healer you have, single target heal to boot, gets knocked out after the second World Devouring Destruction (I think that's what it's called) when fighting Magatama of the High God...and you STILL WIN.

I've found that if you fix Patchouli's squish and speed problems, she can do some pretty-ok-though-not-nuke-level-damage-unless-the-opponent-is-weak-to-fire-or-MYS even without SDM.

[Kaitani]

I was thinking of doing a NG+ Hard mode just using the SDM crew ( I recall someone succeeding with team 9,idk how far they got) However i feel i will be speed gimped due to the fact that SDM bonus/Meiling Skill doesnt provide said Speed like it says, opinions if its doable? (Will probably hit a brick wall at Deside eater, Unless flandre is so overleveled to 1 genji glove leavetin it, Great C too)

In my current playthrough I'm mostly trying to kill stuff with SDM party (minus Patchouli), and while it's amazing in the offense, it's awful defense-wise. Meiling isn't the most durable nor useful tank, both Remilia and Flandre have some horrible affinities that will end up them getting wiped out unless you really focus on covering those weaknesses. Also, without subclasses you have pretty much no access to decent heals, buffs or debuffs. This means that unless you can kill your enemy in 1-2 turns, you're quite likely going to lose. And since you're planning on doing Hard mode, having the speed and damage to pull that off is quite hard against some bosses (especially those that resist both fire and dark, Mirror of Darkness being the ultimate example). I think you can still grind loads of levels even in Hard mode to get level up points/skill points/more voile levels, if you just set level unification -> challenge level afterwards. I suppose any setup is doable given enough time really...

[ZXNova]

Yeah, Meiling is really meant to be a 2nd slot tanky attacker anyway. And going SDM would mean you probably aren't putting her in the 2nd slot.

[Garlyle]

I was thinking of doing a NG+ Hard mode just using the SDM crew ( I recall someone succeeding with team 9,idk how far they got) However i feel i will be speed gimped due to the fact that SDM bonus/Meiling Skill doesnt provide said Speed like it says, opinions if its doable? (Will probably hit a brick wall at Deside eater, Unless flandre is so overleveled to 1 genji glove leavetin it, Great C too)

You have Sakuya.  Enhancer Sakuya is godly at raising Speed (and can also buff other stats as a result).  Either way my boyfriend's been doing this exact challenge and the stat bonus is so huge that a lot of things are turning out to be pretty easy (Flandre's absurdly powerful to begin with, now add a perpetual +60% to her stats)

How did i suddenly unlocked the defeat 1 and 3 strengthen bosses achievement from the start? will this affect the strength bosses in the future?

If you did a NG+ from a fully complete file, then you've unlocked Maribel and Renko too.  ...For whatever reason this causes those achievements to auto-flag.  I don't know if it actually affects those fights, however.  If you're worried, in the opening post of this thread you should be able to find a save file that doesn't have them unlocked but is otherwise a NG+ file, and that shouldn't set off those achievements.

Cirno For Immortal Tier

Note: No Hacking Used.

Cirno's so good.

[DarkAtma]

if it doesnt affect strengthen bosses, then i dont mind the free 20k yen at start  :3

[Gesh86]

if it doesnt affect strengthen bosses, then i dont mind the free 20k yen at start  :3

I think I've heard from a while ago around here that the 3 bosses in question will in fact not appear if you have those achievements. I can't confirm it first hand though, my current NG+ run is only at F10 right now.

[Yookie]

They are indeed gone if you have those achievements.

[Validon98]

Well that kind of sucks for any of my synergy runs (hurray Team 9, you were the only group to ever have to worry about that), but I honestly don't mind the 20k yen at the start either. It gives pretty much every other group a much needed bonus, given they have to go it the entire game alone, particularly Palace of Earth Spirits team, which is... kind of fragile without those library buffs.
*would be continuing his Yakumo Clan run, but he accidentally saved over it at 8F, so... oh well, maybe after Palace of Earth Spirits*

[Phasm]

Does this game have fullscreen? I press alt+enter and nothing.

[jaxter0987]

I was thinking of doing a NG+ Hard mode just using the SDM crew ( I recall someone succeeding with team 9,idk how far they got) However i feel i will be speed gimped due to the fact that SDM bonus/Meiling Skill doesnt provide said Speed like it says, opinions if its doable? (Will probably hit a brick wall at Deside eater, Unless flandre is so overleveled to 1 genji glove leavetin it, Great C too)

EDIT

How did i suddenly unlocked the defeat 1 and 3 strengthen bosses achievement from the start? will this affect the strength bosses in the future?

If the person you were recalling was in one of the previous LoT2 threads, he didn't do it in Hard Mode because at the time, Hard Mode wasn't a feature in the game.

Does this game have fullscreen? I press alt+enter and nothing.

Pretty sure the game doesn't have a full screen option. The best you can do is enlarge the window as far as the vertical height of your screen will allow by clicking the edge of the window and dragging it. But I honestly think the game window is large enough without doing this.

[Serela]

If the person you were recalling was in one of the previous LoT2 threads, he didn't do it in Hard Mode because at the time, Hard Mode wasn't a feature in the game.

If he did it before then, there's also the very important point that the game was vastly easier at that point in time, without accounting for Hard Mode or not at all. The rebalance patches actually did a lot.

[Kaitani]

I finished the Hard mode game without changing any of the 12 members I chose at the beginning. Tenshi, Byakuren and Sanae were able to tank the boss for all eternity, then I just popped in Flandre to hit it for 400k+ with Rainbow Break. Poor boss never even had a chance to summon those minions...
Now I could try and see if the party has any chance against post game bosses, but my lack of multi-target heals, reliable shock and ATB manipulation (Aya/Yukari) will likely make some bosses unbeatable. Not to mention the dread of exploring post game areas without the lovely Aya/Chen/Rumia combo.

[Ghaleon]

Wasnt there an expansion being made? I cant find info about it on the website for some reason.

[DarkAtma]

I believe someone posted it got delayed a few pages back? and i dont know in which thread i saw it but someone mentioned shou being there

[Validon98]

Their last post about it on their site dates from June. There's been (sadly) no update since. I'm hoping it gets released at Winter Comiket, but lack of any sort of news whether or not it's still being worked on is kind of worrying. Does anyone know if they have a Twitter or some other media outlet they might be using instead of their site for posting related news, or...?

[Ghaleon]

Ahh so it was this game. I THOUGHT it was but started doubting myself when I coudln't find any links on their website, or the wiki. As for Shou, yeah that was the one thing that was really mentioned when I first saw the article awhile back. IIRC it stated there were going to be 12 new characters.. or was it 8? I said it before but I will again. PLEAAAASE GIMMIE HATATE! PLEEAAAASE!

[MewMewHeart]

Sukuna and Miko for expansion characters noooooooooow!!!  Just for confirmation sakes Futo was also confirmed one of the characters for the expansion too along with Shou.

[Sahgren]

Their last post about it on their site dates from June. There's been (sadly) no update since. I'm hoping it gets released at Winter Comiket, but lack of any sort of news whether or not it's still being worked on is kind of worrying. Does anyone know if they have a Twitter or some other media outlet they might be using instead of their site for posting related news, or...?

I did find the twitter of one of the developers, but all I could find of any use was the announcement that the plus disc was put on hold when they were helping Cubetype with their game. Outside of that he never really posts about what's happening in LoT2 development.

[DarkAtma]

Has for bonus bosses i expect the shinto trio (Amaterasu,Susanoo,Orochi) We already got all of the sacred relics, and serpent of chaos kinda fits to be orochi and making a return in LoT2

[ZXNova]

Shouldn't that be Amaterasu, Susanoo, Tsukuyomi? They're the main children of Izanagi/Izanami.

[DarkAtma]

Shouldn't that be Amaterasu, Susanoo, Tsukuyomi? They're the main children of Izanagi/Izanami.

Oh right right, had a brain fuse while typing that, could be something like this

Tsukuyomi:Debuffs/Time Warp/Non-Elemental Magic (Only one in the game)
Amaterasu: Strongest FIRE/MYS Spells, Damage race a la Utsuho from LoT1
Susanoo:Strongest WND/SHK Spells
Orochi: Revamped Serpent of chaos, and keeps its 3 in 1 turn gimmick