Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)

[WHMZakeri]

Dan is Town for reading more of the game than I have.
I am scum does backpedalling on my enjoying walls, We literally have a day three only post at the very tail end of RVS, geez.

I agree that CF7's posting felt stilted and forced, but I don't think that solidifies him as scum. In fact, I remember reading his posting as lucid and true as scum, although the game I'm thinking of ended up with him getting lynched day one for not putting up a fight.

I'm tempted to vote Dormio for making up a bunch of bullshit on the account of he couldn't possibly have that many things this early in the game, but I don't think I'd be voting him for actually being scum if I did that.

[Bardiche]

I am scum does backpedalling on my enjoying walls

It is with the for one of does not parse the post of it that the made of it

I am scum

?

Dormio isn't able to respond to any of my case about him? I assume that means he admits his case is fluffed up bullshit. Satisfied with the location of my vote.

[WHMZakeri]

keeping my vote, because Raitaki's interactions with CF7 seem more like just taking advantage of his ability to outword CF7.

Also I meant "for" instead of "Does". If it helps you can put an "of" between "enjoying" and "walls".

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

It's okay Bardiche, I have ways to prove my alignment later.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Like I mentioned earlier, nothing can stop me in my quest.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

   Now?
   No. Go die.

[Sky_Paladin]

Nagano station check in.  Probably last check in for awhile for me.

I think Shadoweh is scum for her misrep of me in her opening post but I don't have the time to disassemble it. Basically she made an empty content post that telegraphed her intent to vote me and talked about colors, then voted me. As in faking content to appear helpful but really is not.

Ah gotta go

[Schezo]

Purple is better than scrub red: Round 2

Raitaki (5): Zakeri, Serela, PX, Sky Paladin, Dr Rawr L-2
Dormio (2):  CF7, Bardiche
Sky Paladin (2): Raikaria, Shadoweh
CF7 (4): Action Dan, Dormio, Raitaki, NNR

Not Voting:  Nobody

Raitaki is at L-2
With 13 left Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are ~43 hours left in the day.

[WHMZakeri]

"Telegraphing a vote" is just an easy way to put a negative spin on "Talking about people she finds suspicious before voting them."
It doesn't help that there's some content in her empty content posts.

[Raitaki]

@CF7: RVS being uncertain doesn't excuse flip-flopping. Tossing all that stuff about RVS being null out of the window just to appease Dormio saying he can't get a solid vote out looks scummy to me.

@Sky_Pal: You immediately called my claim possibly bogus after I made it, so I asked you to elaborate on that and put a vote on for pressure, how is that being overly sensitive? This was still back in RVS, and votes made during RVS aren't likely to stick anyway, why did you think I was flipping out with that vote? If anything, putting someone on L-2 ED1 for asking about you apparently debunking their claim is the more sensitive thing to me :I

Dan, do you think Shadowehs misrep of me in her intro post is more or less scummy than Cf7 or Dormio?

What is this post even? Just straight up accuses Shadoweh of misrepping you without any explanation, and then why did you specifically asking Dan for his opinion about it? Feels like "hey if you have nothing to do vote this person who's voting me" to me.

Bard's deconstruction of Dormio's CF7 case looks legit, think I'll read it again instead of skim on first sight of post-by-post analysis. Though my point still stands that CF7 was scummy for retconning his nullread of Dormio's self-vote and RVS actions in general to present a more "solid" scumread on Dormio when confronted.

So with Zak and rawr, that's 2 people who basically waved off my CF7 vote for reasons. Zakeri what do you mean outwording CF7? Is it scummy to bring semantics into scumhunting or something?

Remind me why I'm at L-2 again? It's not even half D1 and I'm already sitting on five votes and having no idea where half of them came from :I

Okay, looking back at Dormio's walls, Bard was right, the stuff about CF7 faking wanting to end RVS is pretty much speculation. He did bring up some more concrete details, like asking why my vote on Serela was null and his self-vote wasn't and pointing out how CF7 handwaved Dormio's first wall away, but there's still a lot of unnecessary pointless text in there. Looking at people's responses to the wordiness, I'm guessing this is not a regular thing where Dormio intentionally acts obfuscating, so I think cramming all that filler in there is incriminating.

None of my other scumreads are solid enough to warrant a switch yet, so I'm keeping my vote where it is and see what these people have to say for now.

[Raikaria]

Wow I didn't even notice at the time of my last post that Raitaki had so many votes.

Then I see three of them occured during RVS.

Then PX's Raitaki vote is for no reason.

Not got to reading and checking Rawr and Sky's reasons for voting him, it's 4:30am and I've been woken by BIRDS and I'm not in the state to do complex thinking yet. Give me time to wake up on that one.

ActionDan unvoted too, so I'm not gonna look too into that, and Serela is *confirmed town*.

But PX and Zakeri should perhaps flesh out their reasons for sitting on their RVS votes still when the wagon has rolled to L-2.

[Raikaria]

Note I may have missed the explanations. 4:30am. I just skimming and posting votecount reactions. Coherent post later when it's a reasonable hour.

[Raikaria]

Also I am fully aware I am still on my RVS vote myself, but I'm still in the 'trying to figure out who is the scum in this mess' phase. And I'm not sitting on an RVS which is L-2.

[Serela]

It's not like he's actually going to get quickhammered or something.

Also, going to bed

[Raikaria]

It's not like he's actually going to get quickhammered or something.

Also, going to bed

This is me we are talking about Serela.

Also it's more a 'are you guys serious about your lynch and if so elaborate', just written in a really sleepy 4:30am mode.

Now it's a '5 am and I've eaten something' mode. Probobly post more in a couple of hours.

[Shadoweh]

I'm not 'talking about colors', I'm explicitly asking a question for role-related reasons. Which Bardiche didn't answer. I assume this means he's still mad at me for turning on him at the last minute. I might make it up to him if he has a black black heart too.

Sky's defense boils down to oh my god, Shadoweh sucks. I look forward to him having enough time to make a terrible case against me and vote him so I can throw him off a cliff.

[Raikaria]

OK actually conscious enough to read and digest stuff now.

Firstly I am waving my arms around flailing because usually my big contribution is to do something dumb to *~end RVS~* but Dormio beat me to that.

Zakeri is clearly taking other things into account, so I'm not too fussed about Zakeri's vote sitting on the initial RVS vote anymore. PX hasn't done much of anything, so I can't really talk too much about that either.

So basically, my gut that something was up with the Raitaki votes was off. Although I don't agree with the votes on him too much. I think people are blowing it out of proportion. I don't think his miller claim is enough to jump on him, nor his insitance to defend that claim when being jumped on for it.

Of course, that could be his entire gambit, to make people think that he's legit by not retracting the miller claim or something when it's pressured. But I think that's a bit of a stretch for ED1 speculations.

I'm probobly overthinking this.

@ Bardiche: All arguments are 'cherrypicked'. You 'cherrypick' the flaws to use. Therefor, attempting to discredit an argument against you by claiming that the points were 'cherrypicked' in my view is a flaw in itself. I am not being contradictory there. I'm just probobly not making myself clear.

Also, Bardiche's points about Dormio and CF7's meta are reasonable. As I stated in #53, I felt something was a little wrong with the case [Thinking it was the crux of the case being RVS Shens]. However at the same time I thought the case pretty solid and couldn't figure out exactly what it was.

Shy and Shadoweh is .  Not too confident about Sky's response in his most recent post either, especially as he had plenty of chances to talk about Shadoweh voting him/intending to do so inbetween that and... Shadoweh's vote. I mean he mentioned it very breifly, but look at the mention:

Dan, do you think Shadowehs misrep of me in her intro post is more or less scummy than Cf7 or Dormio?

Why the sudden appeal to Dan? Dan already stated that he thought that what Shadoweh pointed out as a null read, and thus didn't really see what Shadoweh pointed out as a misrep.

Which he still had not at that time, or now, for that matter, explained to the rest of us. Almost as if he expected Dan [And everyone else for that matter] to know exactly what was irking him about Shadoweh's points.

Rawr and NNR suck. PX sucks more. All for pretty much the same reasons.

Anyway, right now my vote is between Dormio [Blame Bard] and Sky. They're both on 2 and I don't really know which is worse, because Sky's my gut telling me something's wrong plus my trademark *~conspiracy~* theory, and Dormio's basically *what Bardiche said*.

I think I know which people are more likly to take seriously.

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio

Now excuse me it's half 6 am and the birds have shut up so I'm going to take a nap to catch up on the sleep I lost.

[PX]

I agree with Bard's sentiments on Dormio's case, However, Dormio's efforts don't seem scum oriented to me. However

##Unvote
##Vote: NNR

His post seems like it comes from a scum attitude, since he basically both pushes and defends someone, and just goes into a wait and see position by sheeping a case and providing nothing towards it. He's basically doing the flip-flopping shit himself, except that for now he's set so that he can go either way.

And the Raitaki case is...

[Shadoweh]

Why the sudden appeal to Dan? Dan already stated that he thought that what Shadoweh pointed out as a null read, and thus didn't really see what Shadoweh pointed out as a misrep.

Which he still had not at that time, or now, for that matter, explained to the rest of us. Almost as if he expected Dan [And everyone else for that matter] to know exactly what was irking him about Shadoweh's points.

Seeing as you consider him a suspect, I assume that means you think this is scummy. But can you explain to me why Sky expecting Dan to know what irked Sky about my points is scummy? That's just a really weird thing to push.

[CF7]

For example he claims that he was not defending Raitaki, nor was he complaining about the random voting stage.
Instead, he was simply bringing to light the fact that Raitaki was being voted and that the random voting stage didn't seem to show any sign of stopping.
Yeah, right. What a load of bullshit.
The wording "people semi-seriously voting for him because of his RVS joke vote" is defensive in and of itself as it states that you believe that the votes for Raitaki are unjustified.

Actually, i honestly do believe that pile of votes on Raitaki is unjustified.
Zak. RVS vote, then he justifies keeping his RVS vote on Raitaki, because of Raitaki's jump on me.
Serela. Well what can i say here... Again RVS vote. And he's just keeping his vote on Raitaki because he simply can, by being confirmed town. Oh, well.
Sky. Simply votes him for his Serela vote and being "oversensitive" about his miller claim.
And finally Rawr. Pretty much same justification as Sky.
Are those votes justified from your point of view? Because i can't just justify any of them. Claiming miller is not a fun thing to do. I dunno about others, i would be oversensitive too about my miller claim in any case (i.e. if i am actually a miller claiming miller, or scum gambitting on claiming miller). But i'm leaning on believing the miller claim, because it's a role madness game and as a result miller is quite possible in the setup.

And then there was absolutely no point in bringing attention to the random voting stage when less than 12 hours had passed by that point.
With an unreasonable complaint like that, as I said before, it looks to me like you're only trying to make it look as though you want the random voting stage to end whilst not actually caring either way.

It wasn't a complaint. Not every post must be serious. You know, sometimes a banana is just a banana.

And then we have
Why did you give the bullshit excuse of needing more player interactions when the only interactions that you needed were me interacting with myself?

This whole thing. Here how it went in my head.
"Self-voting is not really town. Let's try to vote Dormio and see what happens." I didn't need your interactions with yourself i needed your interactions with other players. Including myself. I guess, i got what i wanted, not sure if it was worth this fallout tho.

And also, why do you feel the need to try to discredit me by calling my case trivial?
Like, actually, the last sentence where CF7 states "P.S. I am genuinely amazed at how people here can make cases on me over trivial things." is pretty scummy by itself.
You made your response, so what need is there for the further attempt at discrediting me?
Why employ an underhanded appeal to emotion?
Is it because you're scum, and know that I'm town as a result, and can't find a way to make a proper case on me without resorting to something like that?

I wasn't trying to make a case on you. As i wrote above, i wanted a reaction out of you and reaction i got. It's a bit defensive, but doesn't really paint you as a scum.
That being said.
##Unvote

Also, that being said, Shadoweh, can you explain your sudden interest in elements, because no-one else said anything about them, before you brought it up. Still, something tells me, there's a reason for this, and i'm kind of suspecting what it is, but i'll leave it for now.

I'd like to hear what Serela and Sky_P has to say, but i'm not sure if that's possible in the near future.
And for the reasons i stated above i kind of suspect people who are keeping their votes on Raitaki wagon. Serela not included. =)

##Vote Sky_P

[Shadoweh]

I'm not 'talking about colors', I'm explicitly asking a question for role-related reasons.

Ask a stupid question, get an obvious answer.

[WHMZakeri]

Zakeri what do you mean outwording CF7? Is it scummy to bring semantics into scumhunting or something?

in 54 and 56, you start out by pulling up three lines, two showing CF7 says Dormio is null, and one saying Dormio is doing something he thought was suspicious, and when CF7 decides that yes he thinks Dormio is suspicious enough to pursue you're treating it like a huge contradiction, even going as far as calling it "Rapidly Changing" when almost nothing happened. It read to my like instead of asking for his reasoning, you were just asking leading questions in the hopes of making him dig his own grave.

I feel like if you were town pursuing the same line of thought, you would have been more forward with the vote, putting it in 54 and then asking the question after it. Instead you asked for more words first so that in 56 you could twist them into coming from a scummy perspective.

also for those who want to follow along, my RVS reasoning for voting Taki was because he voted Serela; It has nothing to do with miller claim.

[Sky_Paladin]

It is Tokyo check in time and I am completely drink on an iPhone! I yeah it's mafia time

Autocorrect u hate you leave my typos in peace. A way. True quote for today "bananas are cool people" and I don't want fish for breakfast. Begin.

Shadoweh this is a shit post.

"If I pretend not to have seen my role pm and don't confirm can I lurk out the rest of the day?"

Meaningless.

"Dormio being really tryhard is a scumtell no joke, but as his post is the best thing today so far I don't feel like voting him for it."

If its a scum tell vote for him geese so passive aggressive. He wrote a wall of beg the question it's shit but bad logic is not a scum tell. Ineffective. You just said "I think nobody has contributed anything of merit except Dormio but he is scum." but no vote. Therefore what you are really saying is "nobody has said anything" which is just weak, at the very least you can have an opinion on either Dirmio/CF7 "I agree/disagree" or raitakia pile'o votes. You pretend to do something but you did nothing.

"Sky, its Raitaki and Raikaria, please stop merging them, that would be something awful."

The exact post before this is when I said I had just realized they were different people. Which you couldn't have know since you are not me, so I must presume you were cut by me or something. But if you were cut by me then you would have seen me realizing my mistake. Ergo you just passive aggressive hey let's suppress somebody's argument by discrediting them. If you genuinely find something scummy or wrong then call it scummy and say why then vote. Don't misrepresent stuff.  You should be Bette than this.

" Raitaki is the only person I would consider faking a Miller, but the pile-on of votes on him seems overblown to me."

Rai has votes for a few reasons.
1 he voted Serela. Weakest reason IMO.
2 he challenged me for doubting his miller claim or something and made a big deal out of it which I thought was unnecessary so I voted him for being too sensitive over a claim.
3 I think something to do with cf7 but I can't remember z

So some votes are justified. You specifically pick my vote as scummy but don't say why and ignore everybody else. Why?

" I haven't been reading CF7 (or anyone really) closely enough yet to say if he's super scum 5000 like last time. "

Ok but you read Dirmio and Dormio is 80% of that case but you dont have an opinion? Bullshit.

"I think Sky's vote right there is scummy though, Raitaki doesn't seem to be overreacting to prods on his miller claim at all to me."

I voted because he singled me out for a random question early in the game because I apparently didn't beleive his miller claim. I didn't even mention his claim but he felt threatened enough to act on it. And you felt threatened enough to reinforce it. Why?

Slash Dan vote

"Stop powerlurking. If you've actually posted game-related content in the last 24 hours be sure to disagree with me. It might make your posts longer then an unreadable one-liner. If only I could make a wall case on Dan to match Dormio's beauty, sadly that would require something to post about."

Bullshit. If you think I am scum you should have voted for me here.  VotIng for Dan to stop him "powerlifting" is the epitome of faking town effort.

##vote Shadoweh for useless shit posting pretending to be doing something and acting with a scum agenda.

Also buddying Dormio geese.

Bard: I think Dormio is more likely scum than Cf7. 

??: I asked Dans opinion because he was 100% on scum picks last game. If he has an opinion I am therefore interested.

I am really drink so I'd I missed a question or point please hit me up with it after the hahngover

[Sky_Paladin]

I mean I literally can't see any reason for Shadowehs vote on me other than step 1 discredit Sky's vote then step 2 counter vote Sky for voting her scumbuddy step 3 profit

[Sky_Paladin]

Also adhadiwe you even say "Raitaka issomeone who would fake a miller claim" so why what is your ACTUAL problem with. My vote?
You are actually agreeing that Raitaka is suspicious. Agreeing. With. Me.


So

Why


That awful no valid reason vote from somebody who should be better?

[Sky_Paladin]

Anyway

I am at Disneyland tomorrow so I can't really post for another twenty hours or so.

[Sky_Paladin]

Also cf7/ vote on me is also really awful bit this drink I just csnt

[Sky_Paladin]

I mean I got told off by. Y wife earlier.
I was in the grocery store buying spoons and I noticed the shop lady had this really sweet hat. And the other counter was empty except for the clerk and he also had this sweet hat. And I commented it to my wife and she said yeah they have the same hat. BUT THEY WERE DIFFERENT. So I asked the store lady (in Japanese) if her hat was the same as the other guys hat and she jus ignored me. Wow it was so rude. The. Afterwards my wife hit me with the grocery bag and was all "why did you ask that? It was so rude!" man I just wanted to buy one of those hats. They were steamboat willy kind of awesome. I thought I would be like Zun with that hat. Walking through Shinjuku in an awesome hat and a Hawaii shirt, drunk as a skunk and still chugging Kirin. I mean isn't that the dream? I could run into him and be like ZUN BARD STOLE MY SUB WHAT DO I DO and then bam touhou sixteen bard is the fourth stage boss using submarine type spell cards yet still looking like Josef Stalin in a fetching red dress and heels. Because Touhou.

Instead I get a bruise in the arm from a tin of fucking peach yoghurt and an angry wife, no hat, and two bullshit votes. Man. Zun better be at Disneyland or this whole trip was wasted.

[Raikaria]

Actually, i honestly do believe that pile of votes on Raitaki is unjustified.
Zak. RVS vote, then he justifies keeping his RVS vote on Raitaki, because of Raitaki's jump on me.
Serela. Well what can i say here... Again RVS vote. And he's just keeping his vote on Raitaki because he simply can, by being confirmed town. Oh, well.
Sky. Simply votes him for his Serela vote and being "oversensitive" about his miller claim.
And finally Rawr. Pretty much same justification as Sky.
Are those votes justified from your point of view? Because i can't just justify any of them. Claiming miller is not a fun thing to do. I dunno about others, i would be oversensitive too about my miller claim in any case (i.e. if i am actually a miller claiming miller, or scum gambitting on claiming miller). But i'm leaning on believing the miller claim, because it's a role madness game and as a result miller is quite possible in the setup.It wasn't a complaint. Not every post must be serious. You know, sometimes a banana is just a banana. This whole thing. Here how it went in my head.

This sums up pretty much my views on the Raitaki case.

As for Shadoweh's colors, I'm half expecting a Captain-Planet-style role... <_<

I mean I got told off by. Y wife earlier.
I was in the grocery store buying spoons and I noticed the shop lady had this really sweet hat. And the other counter was empty except for the clerk and he also had this sweet hat. And I commented it to my wife and she said yeah they have the same hat. BUT THEY WERE DIFFERENT. So I asked the store lady (in Japanese) if her hat was the same as the other guys hat and she jus ignored me. Wow it was so rude. The. Afterwards my wife hit me with the grocery bag and was all "why did you ask that? It was so rude!" man I just wanted to buy one of those hats. They were steamboat willy kind of awesome. I thought I would be like Zun with that hat. Walking through Shinjuku in an awesome hat and a Hawaii shirt, drunk as a skunk and still chugging Kirin. I mean isn't that the dream? I could run into him and be like ZUN BARD STOLE MY SUB WHAT DO I DO and then bam touhou sixteen bard is the fourth stage boss using submarine type spell cards yet still looking like Josef Stalin in a fetching red dress and heels. Because Touhou.

Instead I get a bruise in the arm from a tin of fucking peach yoghurt and an angry wife, no hat, and two bullshit votes. Man. Zun better be at Disneyland or this whole trip was wasted.

How is this post relevant to anything except a big AtE? If you want me to go with my ~*Conspiracy Theory*~ instead of what Bardiche says which I think is more solid, you're going the right way about it.

Also there is no Raitaka. It is Raitaki. Raitaka seems like some fusion of us.

[Sky_Paladin]

ONE OF YOU IS RAI WITH A T.  ONE OF YOU IS RAI WITH A K. I DO NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHATEVER RANDOM COMBINATION OF LETTERS YOU APPEND AFTERWARDS.

So you are Raik and he is Rait. Are we good? Good.

It is not ate. I am drunk and rambling. I had fun and wanted to share. And maybe I crumbed something who knows.

I mean if it was ate I mean there is no case what are you smoking gimme some