Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)

[Raitaki]

Raikaria's case brings up an interesting point. It's sufficiently sound, but I guess the problem I'm having with buying it is "Would Shadoweh have not done this as town?" The effort he's putting into trying to sell this case while not neglecting everything else would have netted him a townread from me, but I'm not completely sure after noticing that he's been needlessly nitpicky on certain things this game (Dan's remark about my being a possible miller cop and Shadoweh's joke about how scum!Shadoweh would play, for example).

That said, it IS true that there has been a significant lack of scumhunting from Shadoweh this game. Aside from the first vote on Sky_Pal and the Dan prod it's pretty much been "look at the person I'm voting. Now back at me. Which one has the bad case?" I don't see her having any scumreads either, except for, again, keeping votes on cases she call bad. Shadoweh, who other than Raikaria do you see as potential, and what do you find scummy about Raikaria aside from his case against you?
Also, it seems weird that a scum roleblocker would target Shadoweh. She didn't really do that much D1, and I'd expect scum to know support for her would vanish once the horribad case against her is gone. Not getting any "this person might be PR!" vibe from her D1 posts either.

CF7: Uh, if the post where I claimed the flavor for the miller part of my role was what you found iffy, and if you can't google anything about it, why do you think my miller claim is legit? :V Also, you realize that the "something something" part was "hey look I'm paraphrasing the mod to not eat lightning bolts", right?
And CF7 buying Raikaria's case after seeing the highlight on Shadoweh's joke post kind of itches me. Don't see how a townie would look at the part which targets either a joke or potential WIFOM and say "hey this case is legit".
...Rereading further, here he said Raikaria's case was weird, that he didn't buy it and looked scummy, but theen turned around and started believing in it when he saw the quoted joke post as above? Bullshit. And there wasn't much else going on between "Case is weird" and "Case looks good" to really change his mind either.
##Vote CF7

Serela is coasting so frighteningly hard we should vig her

[Raitaki]

Also Zak, last I heard I was at reasonable doubt for you, so why did you single me out for surviving N1 despite claiming PR? Raikaria also did, and he's alive too. And do you have any scumreads right now?

[Serela]

I'm not even coasting ;_;

[Shadoweh]

Yes, but what was your original reason Shadoweh? Stop avoiding the question. The fact that you think my case is 'bullshit' does not explain why you voted me in the first place.

In fact using that as your justification for voting me only makes my case stronger.

My original reason was because Rawr thought you were scum. I think I said that? Your reaction being OH MY GOD YOU SUCK just helped cement it. You're not really an easy wagon right now, you know, it's strange, it's really strange! How on earth are you avoiding any other votes but mine after yesterday? By the way, a wise rabbit once told me, "Shadoweh, stop making excuses for people voting you. If someone is voting you, who you know are town, it means they're scum, lynch their asses." So I'm just going to keep lynching people who throw themselves at my woodchipper. If you're not scum then you should get the hell off. Did you roleblock me last night, Rai-rai?

Raitaki: I outright claimed to want to know if certain people were DARK for role-purposes. You really read my posts and didn't see that? :V I don't know who else would be scum right now, I still think Dan might be, but there isn't enough information to make huge leaps of intuition.

I'm not reading yet another wallcase picking apart all my posts. I'm not actually trying all that hard this game, what with me actually having hoped it would take longer then Day 1 to replace in, the fact everyone is lurking harder then me despite this, and the fact that with Dormio I literally do not need to vote or do anything to make sure lynches happen?

[Serela]

I have to admit that I've been conveniently skirting around the fact that it really feels like with most of the players, there's so little worth evaluating... and that it means that the players who -are- doing (or trying to do) things have less to work with. I'd quickly run into a wall where I have very little to point fingers at due to lots of things that normally would be sub-par being justified by the situation.

It's bad enough that I can't help but accept Shadoweh just settling with "well it was because rawr got nightkilled" as a reason to suspect someone, which I kept trying to pretend wasn't sufficient because normally it really wouldn't be.. Although yes, in the post where Shadoweh said that, she implied she was going to give more reasoning later.

[Schezo]

Don't lose luck lucky dog.

Raikaria (1): Shadoweh
Raitaki (2): Action Dan, Zakeri
CF7 (2): Serela, Raitaki
Shadoweh (1): Raikaria
PX (2): Bardiche, CF7

Not Voting: PX, Dormio

With 10 left alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
~43 Hours left.

[Serela]

it -is- lol to think "well dormio can just play the game for us can't he" but in the end if we all don't play like we all would normally have to, it just means scum gets to cruise easy and Dormio has crapshoots for lynch decisions, so it really doesn't work

[Serela]

Shadoweh would probably be one of my more accepted lynch targets though despite what I'm saying, maybe like CF7 > PX > Shadoweh? PX is nonexistant enough to have a target on him and admittedly Shadoweh might just be a victim of meta that NORMALLY only is in play on d1... (and isn't worth elaborating on; it isn't Shadoweh Meta it's just general meta on gamestate and d1 victim lynches etc)

[Serela]

not that I have a townread on either Rai, but that's neither here nor there

[Raitaki]

My original reason was because Rawr thought you were scum.

Firstly, what? This is even a reason? Just to clarify, is this meant to be "I agree with what Rawr said about Raikaria?"
Secondly, where did Rawr even display any sort of suspicion towards Raikaria? Literally the only times rawr mentioned/talked to Raikaria were "you think Dormio's role is town?" and "why do you think Sky Pal is trying to buddy up to Dan?" This doesn't even LOOK like a scumread on Raikaria, I have honestly no idea what you're trying to pull here except pulling a random excuse from thin air to look like you're actually using your vote

##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh

By the way, sitting back and letting someone else do all the scumhunting work while you drink lemonade because they can decide lynch is scummy in my book (especially if said person isn't even scumhunting). What if everyone else follows suit and nobody posts anything?

cut: @Serela: Shadoweh said something about "Rawr was more into Raikaria" D1 when she voted him so she definitely had rawr as the reason even before the flips

[Raitaki]

Firstly, what? This is even a reason? Just to clarify, is this meant to be "I agree with what Rawr said about Raikaria?"

Nevermind I said this, rawr didn't even say anything about Raikaria that can be agreed with =_=

[Serela]

um that was a d2 post `-`

By the way, sitting back and letting someone else do all the scumhunting work while you drink lemonade because they can decide lynch is scummy in my book

I'm pretty sure she wasn't saying this as a serious thing, Shadoweh jokes around a lot

Rawr not actually being suspicious of Raikaria might be a thing though, maybe shadoweh actually is scummy and I'm just not looking into things hard enough and my brain doesn't function well with this game of 4 people talking in an echo chamber.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I don't know, I don't really like any of Raikaria's posts on the previous page.
CF7's posts still don't quench my desire to see him die either.

[Serela]

like, it's the rais and me and shadoweh and the other people post little blurbs and sit on PX for not existing (not that I can't empathize with these actions, and it's not that far into d2 yet)

Oh hi Dormio our god and hopefully savior

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also, after today I should probably have more time instead of spending half my day at uni before spending the other half working on assignments and playing video games.

[Raitaki]

Well. I am dumb.
But still. Most of my point still stands.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Also, I'm really tempted to just lynch Dan and be done with it.
I mean sure he's got a proven role but I don't really think that means anything so I'm just disregarding it completely.
Also, shooting NNR lol.

I don't feel a need to move it because I'm not sure who to move it to plus I don't think his defenses are a paragon of towness, just that they don't incriminate him.

Instead there's shit like this which I think is super scummy.
I mean it's like why CF7 at this point especially for such a shitty reason but who knows.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Anyway, back to studying for me I guess.

[Raikaria]

If you're not scum then you should get the hell off. Did you roleblock me last night, Rai-rai?

No. I already said that I have no active actions during Day 1. How could I roleblock you if this is the case? My only ability during Day 1 and Night 1 was passive. I had no night action.

Anyway, it seems people don't agree with my reasoning on Shadoweh. Fine, I ain't gonna beat a dead horse anymore. I can see when the wagon ain't moving. As much as I think Shadoweh is scum, I'm not getting anything done attempting to convince people that Shadoweh is scum.

And yeah Shadoweh's reason for voting me is wishy-washy and she still hasn't answered what Sky's 'badreasoning.org' actually was, but again, dead horse.

I'm just gonna vote PX until I can think of a better thing to do than beat a dead horse or vote a lurker. Need to re-read again. Also people other than me actually need to try and come up with cases. Like, any of the semi-confirmed/confirmed townies especially.

##Unvote
##Vote: PX

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Still not liking your post there, Raikaria.

[Raitaki]

Raikaria what do you think of Shadoweh's "I did it for rawr" reasoning?

[Raikaria]

Specific targets or re-reads are Zakeri and Bardiche, both of whom have been pretty absent from D2. [I think one said V/LA? Can't recall which].

Still not liking your post there, Raikaria.

I don't care if you like my post or not Dormio. I don't aim to please.

[Raikaria]

Raikaria what do you think of Shadoweh's "I did it for rawr" reasoning?

Bad, and I would go back to Shadoweh in a heartbeat if people decide to actually vote her. But as it stands all I am achieving is repeating myself and not being a productive member of the town. I still think Shadoweh is scum. I just don't think I'm getting her lynched.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

You should aim to please me.

[Raikaria]

Raikaria's Objective list:

Primary: Lynch Scum
Secondary: Stay Alive
Tertiary: Create *~Crazy Conspiracy Theories~*

Optional:
Please Dormio

[Serela]

Raikaria you know when you say the confirmed townie should make a case on someone we all know you're talking about me! I made a case on CF7 already :C I didn't really see anything scummy about the other people who have talked (Zak/Bard), and I'd said my bits about Shadoweh, both in her defense and against her. Even if I'm being lazy about rereading Rawr to see how much that actually holds up. She should probably justify it herself since it's already been questioned but w/e

Also augh I just looked and Zak's soft-v/la thing lasts until d3 ;_;

[Raikaria]

Confirmed and Semi-Confirmed. That's not just you in my eyes, but also ActionDan and Dormio.

And yeah, the annoying thing about this game is the general lack of content. I mean, usually we have this much before D1 ends, not Day 2.

[Shadoweh]

Firstly, what? This is even a reason? Just to clarify, is this meant to be "I agree with what Rawr said about Raikaria?"

I agree with the concept that Rawr had a townread on you, was questioning Raikaria and was generally obvytown so the most likely person to kill him is scum!Bard or Raikaria, yes.

Secondly, where did Rawr even display any sort of suspicion towards Raikaria? Literally the only times rawr mentioned/talked to Raikaria were "you think Dormio's role is town?" and "why do you think Sky Pal is trying to buddy up to Dan?"

You are kind of misrepping That Post because he is clearly questioning Raikaria in a way that implies suspicion. In fact he followed that up by continuing to try to get Raikaria to answer him. The answers will never come. :<

By the way, sitting back and letting someone else do all the scumhunting work while you drink lemonade because they can decide lynch is scummy in my book (especially if said person isn't even scumhunting). What if everyone else follows suit and nobody posts anything?

Come to think of it, that does explain why Dormio is trying harder to scumhunt. I don't believe I said I was going to leave the game to Dormoe, but you have to admit it's demotivational to realize Squidworth could still be in this slot and my vote could be just as useful.

[Raikaria]

Shadoweh, look at my post directly after the 2nd Rawr post you linked.

Rawr says 'unless youre implying they are scum buddies and he knew about the day vig?'. I say 'Yes, I'm saying that's possible'.

That's me answering Rawr, Shadoweh.

[Raikaria]

Of course now Sky flipped town I don't really think Dan is likly to be scum in any way. And even back in D1 I said 'I don't think Dan is scum by his own merit, but by Sky's appeals to him'.