Puzzle & Dragons VIII - DO NOT PURSUE LU BU Edition

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Five tries, no drop. May as well not bother. I never use my Drawn Joker anyway even if it'd be ace on my Luci team. Oh well.

[Janitor Morgan]

I'll put my level 87 one up for a bit  for you if your're on.

Took the second one in the middle of the damage ticking up. Whoops!

Thanks for that; that's one step closer to an RGB keeper farming spot that isn't Tuesday Dungeon. o/

[Jq1790]

Guess I was too slow. OH well, mine would have failed you anyway from the looks of it(Mine would not have been Lv.87, see, unless it randomly gave me a 2x on the feeding, and even then I don't know if it would have pushed it that far for a 4mil curve monster.) so I suppose it's for the best.

Can't even try to farm dubmyths til I beat SEVERAL more dungeons anyway...I guess I might as well work on other things til Friday then.  I think one of the upcoming dungeons has Mystic Masks in it, so maybe I'll make THAT my goal, since Ocean of Heaven's still a bit of a ways away for me in Normals, too.

It feels like when I was in Castle of Satan.  SO close to a place where I can make breakthroughs, but so far at the same time.

Speaking of CoS, I wonder when they'll do another Mystic Knight Invasion again?

[Janitor Morgan]

Guess I was too slow. OH well, mine would have failed you anyway from the looks of it(Mine would not have been Lv.87, see, unless it randomly gave me a 2x on the feeding, and even then I don't know if it would have pushed it that far for a 4mil curve monster.) so I suppose it's for the best.

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Speaking of CoS, I wonder when they'll do another Mystic Knight Invasion again?

Sorry You should still ult her when you're able, though; the extra multiplier on her leader skill is great and the extra HP is a good reason as well.

I wondered why that part of the CoS pages on PDX never got updated...hm.

[Jq1790]

Sorry You should still ult her when you're able, though; the extra multiplier on her leader skill is great and the extra HP is a good reason as well.

I wondered why that part of the CoS pages on PDX never got updated...hm.

Oh, it's nothing to apologize over; like I said, mine wouldn't have been powerful enough ANYWAY if your screenshots are anything to go by.

I was always gonna evo her once I saw her MASSIVE HP jump anyway.  She'll have probably 1600-1800 or something HP when I'm done with her, which is nothing to sneeze at when my big goal is like 8200-something or whatever.

I WOULD like to see them come back sometime, the Mystics.  I still need an Ice one since that's the only element whose regular orb-changer I don't have yet.  Not even getting into stuff like the heartbreaker, haha.  (Stupid Two Heroes dungeon...)

[Ghaleon]

Tried to haku athena.. Wave 1, only 2 water orbs, chain 6 light,wood,health... Haku attack! Enemy 3/4 dead, but no dark OR fire orbs (not one), chain 5, only 1 dark orb...

Im not that upset but this is a great example of why i really envy burst rules like horus/isis.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

>fuck dragon in motley I'm gonna try for some mystic masks
>do ocean of heaven
>get a king metal dragon, sweet
>overheal just before the carbuncles on floor 9, DMeta is no longer able to burst
>instakilled

sigh

[Jq1790]

>fuck dragon in motley I'm gonna try for some mystic masks
>do ocean of heaven
>get a king metal dragon, sweet
>overheal just before the carbuncles on floor 9, DMeta is no longer able to burst
>instakilled

sigh

Would something like Luci, if you have him(I forget if you're one of the ones on my list who does), have use on the team for situations like this, assuming it's only the boss floors that would do enough to instagib you(since if they would, too, I'm aware you couldn't THINK of charging him in time)?  If you're gonna die in one hit anyway it won't matter if you have thousands of HP or just 1, though he's not an Attacker, so I dunno since he doesn't get the Atk boost.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

It wouldn't be a bad idea, no. I guess he could take the place of Kitty BadShynee, who I keep on the team for emergency healing and hearts for Vamp to convert. On the other hand, charging skills on a DMeta team is an act of futility where it's even difficult to make sure King Flamie is ready to go. So it probably wouldn't work.

[Ghaleon]

Thats true, im thinking about dumping my hera's in my haku team because most of the time they dont have a chance of charging either except in dungeons easy enough that i can bring whatever else.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Running a DMeta team is less a game of damage dealing and more a game of resource management. Damage is pretty much a non-issue because you can and will stomp most normal enemies with a simple three-dark match-- but stalling is incredibly difficult because you already have to be below 80% HP for DMeta's leader skill to work-- and Attackers short of DMeta herself and like, Nobunaga (who I can't fit in my team yet because cost) have shit for HP. So you can't take hits, like at all!

My "Stalling" method for DMeta is running counters down as much as possible before sweeping-- and failing that, matching hearts, water orbs, and grass orbs (I don't have anything on my team that can do serious damage with water (Vampire isn't attacker) and I don't have any grass types on the team) as much as possible can help me tank a hit or two and stay in the orange/yellow range. But that's only on single, non-midboss/boss enemies. Multiple enemies are rough and midboss/bosses are pretty much a death sentence in one blow.

My basic method for a stage follows as such:
1. Get rid of as many hearts and green orbs as possible on very first turn. Take hits until below 80% HP. Take an extra hit if possible in case of skyfallen hearts (which can and WILL always happen when you don't want it to)
2. Stall counters as much as possible by just matching green or blue orbs.
3. Sweep the floor with three dark orbs. It's usually enough. You don't want to get hit, so combo if you don't think it'll be enough. Use Vampire if necessary.
4. Near the end of a stage (or before midboss/bosses), make sure you have about 50% HP going in, or 100% if you know you can tank a hit. There is a reason for this.
5. For midbosses, a dark row plus a couple combos should be enough to OHKO. Take a hit to get you below 80% if you started in at 100%.
6. For bosses, run counter down if there is one and you haven't prepared all skills.
7. The final blow can go one of these ways:
- If you have all skills charged, pop Vampire to change hearts to dark, then Gryps Rider Drake to change light to dark. Pop DMeta to enhance all dark orbs now, and then pop King Flamie for x64+enhancements and row damage. It'll do a few million if you do it right.
- If Vampire is not charged: Pop Gryps Rider, then DMeta, then King Flamie, and hope for the best.
- If Gryps Rider is not charged and you can recover 3000 HP without going over 80%: Pop Kitty BadShynee to change all light orbs to heart orbs. Pop Vampire to change all hearts to dark. Pop DMeta to enhance, then King Flamie.
- Any other way, just do what you can and hope for the best. Do not overheal or you are irredeemably fucked (unless boss does not hit all that hard).

[Jq1790]

Huh, go figure.  I was just mentioning the Mystic Knights, and what should be happening in the upcoming event that starts the 15th?


*Spring-in-Step*
 [Duration]: 4/15 (Tues), midnight - 4/21 (Mon), 11:59 PM (PDT)

It's officially spring, and the smell of flowers is in the air!

 ■① Daily Log-in Bonuses
 4/15 - 4/21 - 1 free Magic Stone daily
 ※Bonuses will be distributed as late as 3:59 AM (PST) the following day.

■② Knights Invade the Castle!
 Castle of Satan (both Technical and Normal) now features Mystic Knights for a limited time! Catch them while you can.

■③ Special Event Dungeon Schedule:
 4/15 - Takeminakata Descended!
 4/16 - Hera-Is Descended!
 4/17 - Draggie!
 4/18 - Izanami Descended!
 4/19 -
 4/20 -
 4/21 - Hera-Beorc Descended!

■④ Awesome Daily Bonuses
 Pal Egg Event:
 4/15 - 4/21 - Jewel/Metal King Dragons

1.5x chance for 'GREAT!' or 'SUPER!!' EXP Gain
 2x King appearance rates for the Metal and Jewel Dragons
 2x Skill Up rate
 2x Drops for the Daily Special Dungeons
 1.5x Coins for the Weekend Dungeon

I don't know much about the JP-only stuff, but by the picture that came with this post one of the ??s is obviously Gaia or whatever she's called.  I think another we're missing in the US is named Sandalphon?  Probably that.

[hyorinryu]

Gungho, Hamahime dungeon pls...

[Edible]

It's not Sandalphon, his dungeon hasn't even come out in Japan yet.

Could be something like the gold/metal dragon dungeon, I don't think we've gotten that one yet.

[Jq1790]

It's not Sandalphon, his dungeon hasn't even come out in Japan yet.

Could be something like the gold/metal dragon dungeon, I don't think we've gotten that one yet.

Oh.  Well, shows what I know.  Thought it was already out there and we just hadn't had it HERE yet.

That gold/metal dungeon would be nice, definitely.

[Chaore]

It's not Sandalphon, his dungeon hasn't even come out in Japan yet.

Could be something like the gold/metal dragon dungeon, I don't think we've gotten that one yet.

Yes he has.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

My bets are going on Hamahime dungeon because that recently started in EU, too. Who are, mind, ahead of us at this point in terms of updates, it seems. (They have all those new ults already, so.)

[Edible]

Yes he has.

Ho ho ho, thanks.  Didn't see it on PDX, maybe I wasn't looking hard enough :V

[Chaore]

Ho ho ho, thanks.  Didn't see it on PDX, maybe I wasn't looking hard enough :V

Yeah for some reason it's hidden in the PAD wiki too, which is strange.

Heres the page for it.

Important things: Bind out the complete ass, first dungeon DMeta's default team can't just walk over, Lucifer is the only angel not used.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

So it's yet another descend that a DMeta team has no hope of beating. Lovely.

[Mr. Sacchi]

Honestly I question their sense of balance, like "hey, this mosnter is overpowered so let's make a descend that teams based around this monster have no hope of beating".

Wouldn't it be easier to just nerf the monster? If only a little.

[Yukarin]

Fuck zeus descended

Orbtrolled floor 1 (one more blue orb and i could have killed them all) and then i died because fucking chimeras deal so much damage.

[MatsuriSakuragi]

Honestly I question their sense of balance, like "hey, this mosnter is overpowered so let's make a descend that teams based around this monster have no hope of beating".

Wouldn't it be easier to just nerf the monster? If only a little.

Nah. I think there's just going to be a constant power creep throughout this game's lifespan. Eventually at this rate x10 multipliers will become the norm and the older characters will have to get buffed/updated/new evos to remain relevant.

This is why more and more descends have also become very unfriendly to stall teams as well, because while triple gravity and double Morning Star Luci teams used to be incredibly effective (all together, you could almost drop a 2,000,000 HP boss in one turn), descend bosses are getting more and more HP and stronger and stronger consecutive desperation fuckoff attacks (with multiple hits, so it's a big fuck you to resolve teams and Odin teams too) to the point that not even an HP/RCV Luci build could keep up survival for long enough to unleash another blast, there's just no way to survive without feeding stone after stone and it's just not worth it. P&D definitely leans toward a burst style of metagame, but descends are becoming unfriendly even to many of those teams too because many burst teams have to make a heavy sacrifice to work-- DMeta, for example, has to be below 80% HP to work, and your HP is going to be very low to start with so don't even get your hopes up to be able to stall for long-- and you can't have high RCV either because overhealing will make you useless. Oh, and they sure seem fond of giving bosses pre-emptives that drain dark damage just for that extra fuck you element.

Kinda makes me wonder what even is effective anymore.

[Edible]

Kinda makes me wonder what even is effective anymore.

[Ghaleon]

That and kooshy, kooshy for life.

[Edible]

Oh boy, sanzo's another cost restricted descend. :|

20 and under, hooray.

Hope you have a tamadrapurin/valkitty/unevolved kirin :V

[hyorinryu]

Oh boy, sanzo's another cost restricted descend. :|

20 and under, hooray.

Hope you have a tamadrapurin/valkitty/unevolved kirin :V

I have an unevolved Haku, would that work?

[MatsuriSakuragi]

I have TAMADRApurin yay

[The Greatest Dog]

tama 4 life
I just need two Echidnas to stall out the light drain...
and there goes that idea

[MatsuriSakuragi]

I have a Naga and a non-Evo Echidna. Where are you reading all of this anyway?