Touhou RAGE Thread: Part 2

[Zengar Zombolt]

or have the patience to follow a registration translation.

And that's even sillier, actually.
BACK ON TOPIC: Byakuren's 4th nonspell. After 20-so tries, I've been able to cap it once.

[Von Stein]

not what I meant, of course it's YouTube

what I'm saying is that niconico likes to get YouTube to take down videos that were stolen from there

"music arranges" has nothing to do with it because then ZUN would be taking down Touhou gameplay vids left and right

Ah, I misunderstood what you were saying. And yeah, that smells like a likely reason.

I am not sure if ZUN would be taking down vids so, if he had the chance...he was the one that implemented the Replay function after all, right? But that is beside the point.

That's just silly, because some people like to be able to find this music on Youtube, and not everyone has Nicovideo accounts, or have the patience to follow a registration translation.

Amen to that. (Says a guy that actually has an account there. >>)
It makes rather little sense, considering that both websites are about free videos...then again, you can only reach the sponsors for each through the respectively sponsored site. Ayayayayaya.

Aaand just to contribute to the rage here...

Why can't SA, UFO and IaMP not work on my computer! ;_;

And why is it that of all characters that choose not to display properly on UNL/Hisoutensoku Utsuho had to be the one. ;_;

(Rethorical questions both, my computer is waaaaay to low end for any and all Touhou games, including 1-5. But they at least work! GRAH!)

[Alice Fact]

That's just silly, because some people like to be able to find this music on Youtube, and not everyone has Nicovideo accounts, or have the patience to follow a registration translation.

it's called get some patience and get one, Niwango does not care about you

[nintendonut888]

Hey, I have an account. But I don't have Japanese installed on my computer (and for arbitrary reasons refuse to get them), so I have to copy/paste any search terms I want into the search bar. That's why I prefer Youtube for anything that can be gotten on both sites (unless video quality is an issue, in which case lol).

(Rethorical questions both, my computer is waaaaay to low end for any and all Touhou games, including 1-5. But they at least work! GRAH!)

Do you have, like, Windows 98? My computer is from 2001 and I've made it very clear that I dislike all the slowdown it has, but it can still run EoSD through MoF with very few areas of lag.

[Von Stein]

Do you have, like, Windows 98? My computer is from 2001 and I've made it very clear that I dislike all the slowdown it has, but it can still run EoSD through MoF with very few areas of lag.

The computer came with 98, but currently runs XP. And I can play 1 - 10 (except 7.5) fairly well, but with slowdowns if I don't throw in frame-skips...so I count my blessings there, yes. The reason I say I can't play the other three games mentioned is because they won't start. I do believe it's DirectX issues I won't be able to resolve on this computer. (I went into more detail (slightly) in my thread in the tech forum.)
Buut yeah, long story short, I needs new computer...
*considers salvaging parts from laptop...*

[Rikter]

Oh yay SA crashed when I beat Utsuho... Now I have to play all the way through normal again just to try and unlock that stage for practice.

[Tsym]

Hard EoSD.  Stage 5.  Sakuya.  My first time getting there, so I expected a harder Clock Corpse, Luna Clock, and Marionette.

What do I get instead?  Okay, Jack the Ludo Bile was fine, but wtf with The World and Killing Doll?  I wanted to shoot myself in the head   Not what I was expecting.

[Sodium]

Died at Nue's last card's last phase. I went into her 8th card(Rainbow UFOs) 4/3, and died one there, entered the survival card 3/2, and then died three times, leaving me with 1 power for her lats card. And I almost captured it, but died with 2 bombs in stock.

Oh, and the only card outside the three I mentioned that I failed was the Red UFOs, due to me being stupid.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[Kanako Yasaka]

Extra Midboss Kogasa is making me dislike her even more.

[KomeijiKoishi]

I get the feeling that every time I'm playing Touhou, I'm getting only worse. I'm playing for like 1 2/3 years and I only beat ONE Extra (SA one's).
Sometimes, I have to restart the game like thirty times because I'm dying on 1st stage. Is this even normal?

[lmagus]

I get the feeling that every time I'm playing Touhou, I'm getting only worse. I'm playing for like 1 2/3 years and I only beat ONE Extra (SA one's).
Sometimes, I have to restart the game like thirty times because I'm dying on 1st stage. Is this even normal?

Same happens to me.

I only get one full run after 30 attempts because of stage 1 deaths.

[Slaves]

okay, first time getting to Syou.

had 0 lives left, didn't expect to pass.

but guess how i died?

i got too close to her laser spawn point(ones around her) and died when she shot the curvy ones.

DAMN IT I'M DUMB

[Sapz]

FFFFFFFFFFFFgoddamnit

I randomly decided to try a no-focus run of PCB Normal, and aside from a really stupid death at the start of stage 4 I hadn't made any mistakes up to Lily White. Then, during all the crazy post-midboss stuff, I bombed, and after bombing started focus-dodging everything for about ten seconds without meaning to before I actually realised I was doing it. <_< Cannot be arsed doing that again, maybe I'll try EoSD instead.

[RainfallYoshi]

RAWR!

Why is every Extra stage other than EoSD complete and utter BS?

First I try IN Extra. The stage is laughably easy, other than EX-Keine's wtfspellcards. I'm thinking "Oh, this might go well after all." And then Mokoue shows up and proceeds to smash my face into the ground with her commplete BS spellcards.

Ok, that really sucked. Let's try PCB Extra! The stage is hell, beginning to end. It just throw complete crap at me and then Chen comes along and pimp slaps me around for awhile. I finally get to Ran and her first spellcard, which seems pretty decent. Then I ram into a bullet out of nowhere that I really should have seen coming at me.

Why do you do this to me Zun? WHY?

At least I can take comfort in knowing that I can at least perform well at EoSD Extra?

[Tarquinius]

I just got to normal difficulty Shou with one less than the max number of lives. Even with heavy use of SanaeB's bombs, I barely made it to her last card, which I died on. I just have horrible problems trying to see where her noncard lasers are going, and I just did horribly on her spell cards.

[?q]

@Yoshi:  Mokou's spells are reasonably difficult but quite fair.  Keine is more or less trivial if someone tells you how to do them and you spend five minutes practicing her spells (see next item).

PCB Extra is something entirely different.  You either know how to do the spell cards, or you hit a brick wall and lose all but one of your lives if you're lucky.  The stage is mostly trivializable by memorizing where the enemies come from.  Which is why replays of other people playing are worth watching. 
Words cannot describe how much time I wasted on not knowing how to do PCB Extra.

[Bananamatic]

I'm still afraid of Flandre and never went back since I cleared it.
If that stage only gave one more goddamn life....nope, only 3 default and 2 from stage, no matter how many points you get, you get NOTHING.

Dying with bombs even only once pretty much meant a failed attempt, I've usually entered QED with 2-3 bombs and always failed in the last 1/10.
Repeat 9 times before I've barely managed it with 1 bomb left.

And Patchouli. WTF. Hardest Extra midboss.
Silent Selene - 10/129
Royal Flare - 2/125(one was the MarisaA trick, another was complete luck)
Philosopher's Stone - 11/110

Mokou on the other hand was nice enough to throw you bombs and the stage gave you more lives.
It was the first Extra for me, finished it with the reach another spellcard - practice it - repeat way and it took around 30 attempts.

Same for Ran and Yukari, both took around 30 attempts. Suwako took only 16, only Koishi kind of makes me rage thanks to her WTF survival and Genetics.... Still, made it all the way to her final 2 times now, so she can't take 130+ attempts as Flandre did.

If only EoSD gave you one more life.....

Well, if you can defeat Flandre, you have no other Extra to fear IMO......except for Nue, I guess.

[Sapz]

Well, if you can defeat Flandre, you have no other Extra to fear IMO......except for Nue, I guess.

Huh. For some reason I find Flandre one of the easier Extra bosses, especially compared to Koishi, Nue and Yukari. Suwako, even. But maybe that's just me. :V I agree with Patchy being a completely ridiculous midboss, though.

On topic, fucking brofists keep ruining any and all Hard 1cc attempts. Just got game over'd on the eye lasers after losing all five of my lives to Ichirin. <_<

[?q]

Flandre is one of the easiest Extra bosses; the difficulty of the stage comes from everything before and including Patchy, the hitboxes, and dumb luck in general.  If EoSD had the hitboxes and deathbomb times of other Extras it would be one of the easiest ones and people would realize just how pathetically overrated Flandre is.

Suwako is difficult for all the wrong reasons (boringmaku that forces you to plan strategies well in advance and FASTER THAN LIGHT nonspells).

[Bananamatic]

Well, if you can defeat Flandre, you have no other Extra to fear IMO......except for Nue, I guess.

Huh. For some reason I find Flandre one of the easier Extra bosses, especially compared to Koishi, Nue and Yukari. Suwako, even. But maybe that's just me. :V I agree with Patchy being a completely ridiculous midboss, though.

On topic, fucking brofists keep ruining any and all Hard 1cc attempts. Just got game over'd on the eye lasers after losing all five of my lives to Ichirin. <_<

Flandre herself isn't that hard, it's the fact that the stage gives you 2 less lives compared to the new ones.
And some of her spellcards....Cranberry Trap is hell for me, Four of A Kind is also kind of bullshit since the clones seem to shield Flandre at times so I've almost timed it out at times, and Maze of Love....0/56. Constant 2/3 bombs.
Well, it's really about the lives.

And the brofists totally own me even on Normal. Especially the one where danmaku falls every time the fist hits....can't see crap and it tends to get a bit too dense.
Well, when I've started SA Yuugi also seemed a bit too hard....now I actually find her fun.

Flandre is one of the easiest Extra bosses; the difficulty of the stage comes from everything before and including Patchy, the hitboxes, and dumb luck in general.  If EoSD had the hitboxes and deathbomb times of other Extras it would be one of the easiest ones and people would realize just how pathetically overrated Flandre is.

Suwako is difficult for all the wrong reasons (boringmaku that forces you to plan strategies well in advance and FASTER THAN LIGHT nonspells).

No idea how did I manage to beat Suwako so easily, her first spells seemed a bit too hard, then suddenly I've got the hang of it all and her spells seemed easier and easier, including the loleasy survival and her final one.

Maybe I need to try Flandre again. Either way, what made me waste so much time and got me completely laughable spellcard records can't be that overrated. Or maybe I just suck.

[Azinth]

Flandre is one of the easiest Extra bosses; the difficulty of the stage comes from everything before and including Patchy, the hitboxes, and dumb luck in general.  If EoSD had the hitboxes and deathbomb times of other Extras it would be one of the easiest ones and people would realize just how pathetically overrated Flandre is.

Suwako is difficult for all the wrong reasons (boringmaku that forces you to plan strategies well in advance and FASTER THAN LIGHT nonspells).

-Flandre isn't really any easier or any harder than any of the other extra bosses
-She also isn't really any more overrated than any of the other dozens of overrated Touhou characters
-EoSD's danmaku was designed with the bullet hitboxes in mind, so I don't really know what point you're trying to prove with that comment
-EoSD and IN extras are the only extra stages in the series that aren't a complete waste of time.  Seriously.
-Suwako's nonspells are a bunch of piss-easy streaming, what are you talking about.

[nintendonut888]

Suwako's non-spells that look like Sanae's third non-spell care very hateful due to how easy it is to clipdeath them. In fact, most of the difficulty of Suwako's fight IS clipdeath. Without it, all she'd have would be Froggy Braves the Elements and her two survival spell cards.

[?q]

-Flandre isn't really any easier or any harder than any of the other extra bosses

Flandre is the only one whose nonspells are 100% trivial.  All of them.  Okay maybe not the second one but that's it.
In comparison to the stage that precedes her her bullet density is fairly low and by and large seems to rely on randomly screwing you over (Cranberry Trap, Kagome-Kagome, Starbow Break, Catadioptric, etc.)

-She also isn't really any more overrated than any of the other dozens of overrated Touhou characters

Name one or two.  Shinki, Mima, and Nue don't count as dozens.

-Suwako's nonspells are a bunch of piss-easy streaming, what are you talking about.

Something tells me I should look at this again.

[Azinth]

Flandre is the only one whose nonspells are 100% trivial.  All of them.  Okay maybe not the second one but that's it.
In comparison to the stage that precedes her her bullet density is fairly low and by and large seems to rely on randomly screwing you over (Cranberry Trap, Kagome-Kagome, Starbow Break, Catadioptric, etc.)

All of the extra bosses other than Mokou and possibly Nue have boring and easy nonspells.  Honestly, I sort of prefer Flandre's over most of the others because they have shorter health bars and thus end quicker.  Also, the only truly luckgarbage(ish) attack in EoSD extra is QED really. 

Name one or two.  Shinki, Mima, and Nue don't count as dozens.

All Windows 4-EX bosses eventually develop legions of slobbering fanboys, so just pick one or two that you like the least.  :V

[Sen]

seems to rely on randomly screwing you over (Cranberry Trap, Kagome-Kagome, Starbow Break, Catadioptric, etc.)

To be fair, Starbow Break is completely static and Cranberry Trap is based on your location (hence why part of Flandre scorerunning is directing Cranberry Trap to where you want it to go).

Catadioptric is the absolute worst-designed spellcard in the entire series though, I'll give you that.

[?q]

All Windows 4-EX bosses eventually develop legions of slobbering fanboys, so just pick one or two that you like the least.  :V

I went down the list, but the only people who really stand out as overrated are all the extra bosses except Mokou and maybe Yukari.
Everyone else more or less fits where they should be based on canon and/or aren't appreciated by many people to begin with (Eientei, Prismrivers, etc.).

Honestly, I sort of prefer Flandre's over most of the others because they have shorter health bars and thus end quicker.

Good point.

Catadioptric is the absolute worst-designed spellcard in the entire series though, I'll give you that.

I thought that was Omoikane's Brain?  Or Shou's green bar card, or Source of Rains, or Suwako's first card, or something.

[Sen]

Catadioptric is the absolute worst-designed spellcard in the entire series though, I'll give you that.

I thought that was Omoikane's Brain?  Or Shou's green bar card, or Source of Rains, or Suwako's first card, or something.

Omoikane's Brain is pretty awful, I will admit. I can't get past Reisen on IN Hard most of the time though, and I always go Kaguya (even though Eirin's theme is a billion times better, hooray for easy final bosses), so I can't really comment on it much. It is bullshit though.

Shou's green bar card is mostly a test of how fast you can run...er, fly. The green bars always move the same way, so if you know how long you have to shoot at Shou, it's not really that hard. I captured it on my second try.

I barely play MoF so I don't think I could really comment on Source of Rains :V

Suwako's first card? What are you talking about, that's one of the easiest cards in the series o.o
When she starts the lasers, get in front of the blue lasers, wait for her to fire the regular bullets at you, and just run in front of her. Rinse repeat defeat.

[Bananamatic]

I have yet to capture Omoikane's Device on Normal.....seriously, that thing sucks HARD. One reason why I always go for Kaguya.


And Misayama Hunting Shrine Ritual.....the replacement she gets for it in Hard is actually a fun card and much easier to capture.
Never fought her on Lunatic, so I dunno how bad is it there.....

[lmagus]

FUCKING DAMNIT I WILL NEVER DIE WITH BOMBS IN STOCK AGAIN =(

UFO Normal Green UFO only... Got to 6th stage... I died three times with bombs in stock! Damnit.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=4426

[?q]

Suwako's first card? What are you talking about, that's one of the easiest cards in the series o.o
When she starts the lasers, get in front of the blue lasers, wait for her to fire the regular bullets at you, and just run in front of her. Rinse repeat defeat.

Poor design =/= difficult.
Plus when I play it I constantly think "clip me, I dare you" for the 60+ seconds it takes for her to finally die.

Oh right, I forgot Misayama Shrine Hunting Ritual.  That one's also horrible.