Author Topic: Omerta - Town of Mafia (Game over Scum wins) (Read 42860 times)

Schezo · « **Reply #60 on:** February 23, 2014, 08:06:37 PM »

Quote

Bard's vote on Serela

gr8 case. I cry erry time.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Serela

NNR's 28 honestly would have been fine if he didn't add (this is only a tiny bit serious btw) I forgot we were in RVS

Quote from: NekoNekoFever on February 23, 2014, 06:39:34 PM

Dan I hope you don't plan to keep that opinion on Bard for the next 80 hours because of a couple ED1 posts.

That's his choice. To later say that he can't have townreads before scumreads is honestly insane. You're just annoyed at the playstyle of "random" townreads but you need to stop going full potato because he can have townreads and not scumreads.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #61 on:** February 23, 2014, 08:31:22 PM »

People should stop hating Serela for being Serela.

CF7, why would we turbo someone?

Dan, there's something I'd like you to answer:

Quote from: Mitsuki on February 23, 2014, 07:26:27 PM

Dan, what are your reasons to consider Bardiche and NNR are town?

Raikaria · « **Reply #62 on:** February 23, 2014, 08:39:06 PM »

I need to read the C9+ thingy since I forgot to do so after I said I wouldn't join this game @_@

So don't expect me to talk about rolespecs or anything.

And yeah, if anyone's gonna bash Serela it's gonna be me. The day before LYLO.

Dorian White · « **Reply #63 on:** February 23, 2014, 08:45:17 PM »

Selling rope, just two dollar the feet

NekoNekoRex (2): Cheez8, Zakeri
ActionDan (1): ActionDan,
Sky_Paladin (3): Raikaria, Serela, NekoNekoRex
PX (1): Mitsuki
Serela (3): Sky_Paladin, Bardiche, Schezo

Not voting: O4rfish, PX, CF7

With 13 mooks kicking, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 Timer

Bardiche · « **Reply #64 on:** February 23, 2014, 09:33:53 PM »

CF7 shouldn't unvote, then lean back and "watch the chaos unfold", as it were. Would vote if I wasn't happy with the present location of my vote. Serela placing an OMGUS vote and then backpedaling with "well it's RVS :VVV" is scummy.

I am Bardiche, and I shall have none of these RVS shenanigans. No fun allowed.

O4rfish · « **Reply #65 on:** February 23, 2014, 09:44:02 PM »

Why would you play a game that wasn't fun?

Schezo · « **Reply #66 on:** February 23, 2014, 09:49:02 PM »

Question of the thread

Mitsuki · « **Reply #67 on:** February 23, 2014, 10:34:36 PM »

So no one seems a mafia, even if I keep reading. Yay.
Hopefully I'll have a clue about something when I wake up tomorrow.

Raikaria · « **Reply #68 on:** February 23, 2014, 10:50:25 PM »

I'm not gonna be the one who kicks us out of RVS for once guys. Someone else do it.

Also I'll buy the rope.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #69 on:** February 23, 2014, 11:53:54 PM »

Sorry, my vote on Serela was RVS.

"The last two games, Serela has been dangerously competent and I don't like it." <-- this was me patting Serela on the head saying 'good job' and that kind of thing. It's totally a joke.

I had just skimmed through my first check in of game start and only her comment stood out;

"This reminds me to point out that the nature of the setup means you should -not- counterclaim someone who claims your role

I don't want our cops or docs counterclaiming eachother or something and then one is lynched and the other is nightkilled >:T"

I thought "Isn't it a little early to be worrying about claims/counterclaims?" I thought 'why so sensitive'. Anyway, I didn't think it was super scummy but I had already written it and so I thought well why not. I also don't think I have the ability to magically go 'xyz is scum' 1/3 of the way through day 1, although apparently Dan can magically town clear and Oarfish gets dreamsleep messages. Sweet.

So now I'm going to be the jerk that says 'OK RVS is over' and put out some semi-serious things.

1 - Well, Serela totally did OMGUS me. That is actually scummy except it's so early in the game I don't really think it's useful.
2 - Bard jumping on Serela for it seems opportunistic. Then when Cheez called Bard on it, she distanced herself with some reporting here. I'd vote for Bard at this stage as a serious vote because she only added in her reasoning for voting (and questioned her own vote) when challenged. What.
3 - ActionDan, "I think I'll go with Bard = town", dude, why do you always do this. Every game I've seen you do this they are scum. You actually outed the entire scum team day 1 'as town' in AUS mafia.
4 - I think NNR looks scummy because "but I'm glad I didn't though since his reasoning seems pretty solid though" I disagree that Bard made good reasoning. Also his vote on me so he doesn't OMGUS Serela (who wasn't actually voting him) is kind of lol.
5 - CF7 empty unvote. Uh?
6 - Oarfish "Hey guys. I just woke up from a dream in which I was a daycop and I found NNR to be scum. Worth voting?" I kind of want this to be true because it means Oarfish gets messages from God/is some kind of mafia dream savant. It will be true or not regardless of we lynch him, however, technically you shouldn't be getting messages from outside of the game Oarfish~ Divine inspiration is cheating. You heard it here first.

Ah I ran out of time.

I wanted to go through and see if there was anybody who wasn't posting yet and light a fire under them. But I'm out so

##unvote
##vote Bardiche

I think the backpedaling and two report-type posts are the scummiest things so far. Gotta go~

Cheez8 · « **Reply #70 on:** February 24, 2014, 12:03:18 AM »

Quote from: Bardiche on February 23, 2014, 06:26:27 PM

So what's your case on NNR exactly?

In #31 NNR said that he thought Dan's post checks out since it was a joke vote, but acted as if CF7 was also suspicious for his own barely-serious post. And he actually sounded serious when he asked it. The double standards bother me and I'm pretty sure scum are more likely to apply double standards than other players when they're the ones who know the players' alignments already.

Holy cut. This early, huh?

Cheez8 · « **Reply #71 on:** February 24, 2014, 12:09:01 AM »

...It's probably worth noting that I made my initial reaction to NNR overblown on purpose for the sake of RVS. I don't actually think Dan is a confirmed scumbuddy or anything but I still stand by thinking NNR's action is the most suspicious so far. Also I'll probably kind of ignore Dan's D1 townreads. AUS mafia didn't leave the best first impression of those.

Bardiche · « **Reply #72 on:** February 24, 2014, 12:19:50 AM »

RVS was over for a while now.

Quote

1 - Well, Serela totally did OMGUS me. That is actually scummy except it's so early in the game I don't really think it's useful.
2 - Bard jumping on Serela for it seems opportunistic. Then when Cheez called Bard on it, she distanced herself with some reporting here. I'd vote for Bard at this stage as a serious vote because she only added in her reasoning for voting (and questioned her own vote) when challenged. What.

So you're saying two things here. 1: Serela's OMGUS is actually scummy. 2: Bard is scummy for voting Serela for being scummy. What now?

Then two things on the rest:
1) I am a man. Please do not refer to me as "she".
2) I don't think reporting works the way you think it does. First line is an obvious request for you to explain; You did explain, so you picked up on it. Second part is me identifying behaviour as pro-scum. This means I think it's scummy. I even add why I think that. Third part describes the behaviour, gives my opinion, then expounds on why scum benefit from it.

Seriously man, the fuck?

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #73 on:** February 24, 2014, 12:21:48 AM »

Quote

Also his vote on me so he doesn't OMGUS Serela (who wasn't actually voting him) is kind of lol.

wrong player, Skypal. You want the rat-friend.
This big post is kind of a crazy overreaction on his part imo, since he tends to step it up under 'pressure', especially as scum, given I've had firsthand experience in my last two games with him. Tempted to keep my vote on him based on the meta alone, actually.

Anyway as far as the post content, it's half and half I guess. There's a decent bit of open-ended comments and fluff (Oarfish, CF7, Serela), and I don't really think the bard vote makes enough sense (he voted seriously [with OMGUS as a reason] and then backed it up with another [decent] reason when Serela responded and Cheez challenged him. I don't see any distancing.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #74 on:** February 24, 2014, 12:29:15 AM »

Quote

Cheezy post

The vote isn't a big deal to me, but I do want to point out my posts' intent were partially to provoke discussion and partially to start lodging the game out of RVS. If it helps see my train of thought.

...which I think it kinda did!

Raikaria · « **Reply #75 on:** February 24, 2014, 12:38:43 AM »

Quote from: Bardiche on February 24, 2014, 12:19:50 AM

RVS was over for a while now.

Was it? I didn't think it was.

It seems like it's over now anyway, but it's late my local time so I'mma actually do content tomorrow.

Cheez8 · « **Reply #76 on:** February 24, 2014, 01:05:54 AM »

Okay, looking back at it I still don't agree entirely with Bard's reasoning since the game was, at its furthest, just barely out of RVS and into ED1 (that doesn't really mean Serela should have voted Paladin for that, though.) But um... reporting is just saying what's going on without drawing conclusions or having opinions of them, right? Because if that's the case... Paladin, Bard isn't really reporting. At all. In fact, the post you linked to is actually pretty useful.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that "reporting" post actually gave me a slight townread on Bard because it brought us solidly out of RVS, made me realize that getting out of RVS is really something town should try to do sooner rather than later, and clearly explained the logic behind his vote (which I think would have flown if the game was much further in.)

...And what I'm trying to say by that is that no, that post is not useless fluff.

NNR: Well, I guess it did help get the game out of RVS, but giving Dan a free pass and not CF7 still didn't seem right and it still doesn't.

Schezo · « **Reply #77 on:** February 24, 2014, 01:09:50 AM »

holy shit kill Raikaria day 1 unironically strikes again.

PX · « **Reply #78 on:** February 24, 2014, 02:11:31 AM »

##Vote Raikaria

Come on

Serela · « **Reply #79 on:** February 24, 2014, 02:32:57 AM »

^What they said
##Unvote ##Vote Raikaria
Fluff posts all over and giving the game a complete handwave without any mention of anything in any degree, we got Satori from Subterranean Mafia making a comeback here. (I don't actually remember what happened apart from me ed1 voting her for overfluff, but whatever)

Bard is fine, my omgus was bad play if you view it as anything other than "lol rvs shenanigans :V", SkyPal calling it kinda scummy and then saying Bard is scummy for voting it is hilariously contradictory and I'd be semi-seriously leaving my vote on him if I wasn't voting Raikaria.

Everyone going "I don't think anyone is mafia yet!" should lower their ed1 expectations and just vote someone. Of course, at this point it should be easier to do so anyway :V

Serela · « **Reply #80 on:** February 24, 2014, 02:37:12 AM »

Also SkyPal, it's never too early to tell people "this is not a setup to ever counterclaim in", there's no reason to actually wait until it's time for people to start claiming. Especially because they need to know BEFORE that time comes :V Also because when nothing else is going on yet, people are more likely to actually notice me saying it.

This isn't actually important, but I felt like saying it

WHMZakeri · « **Reply #81 on:** February 24, 2014, 03:08:45 AM »

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on February 23, 2014, 01:54:35 PM

The last two games, Serela has been dangerously competent and I don't like it.

I can't condone this reasoning because it encourages bad play, which obfuscates scum's position

Not feeling the case on Serela at all, but Bard isn't scum for it.

##Unvote: NekoNekoRex
##Vote: Sky_Paladin

Bardiche's case on Serela may be bad but nothing in any of Bard's posts suggest that he thinks it's bad. Even in the post you accuse of "reporting" he's giving full reasoning as to why he thinks Serela's actions benefit himself as scum.

I should go back and take the first line of this post out but editing is hard even if I'm still writing the post.

Also throwing support if people want to quickwagon anyone that's currently on the "Not voting" list.

I for one support Serela's notion to try and keep the conversation level above a competency threshold.

Dorian White · « **Reply #82 on:** February 24, 2014, 04:27:05 AM »

It's too early to be witty

NekoNekoRex (1): Cheez8
ActionDan (1): ActionDan,
Sky_Paladin (3): Raikaria, NekoNekoRex, Zakeri
PX (1): Mitsuki
Serela (2): Bardiche, Schezo
Bardiche (1): Sky_Paladin
Raikaria (2): PX, Serela

Not voting: O4rfish, CF7

With 13 mooks kicking, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 Timer

O4rfish · « **Reply #83 on:** February 24, 2014, 05:59:35 AM »

Disclaimer: I hate day 1.
Skypaladin makes a case on Bardiche that isn't solid, and backs it up with Actiondan being wrong d1?

##Vote: Skypaladin

Raikaria · « **Reply #84 on:** February 24, 2014, 10:14:48 AM »

Quote from: Sky_Paladin on February 23, 2014, 11:53:54 PM

1 - Well, Serela totally did OMGUS me. That is actually scummy except it's so early in the game I don't really think it's useful.
2 - Bard jumping on Serela for it seems opportunistic. Then when Cheez called Bard on it, she distanced herself with some reporting here. I'd vote for Bard at this stage as a serious vote because she only added in her reasoning for voting (and questioned her own vote) when challenged. What.

....

I think the backpedaling and two report-type posts are the scummiest things so far. Gotta go~

I'm gonna echo what everyone else said here and say 'what'?

So Serela's RVS 'OMGUS' vote was scummy. Bardiche calling that out is also scummy for being 'opportunistic' [Which by extension is saying that you calling Serela out on the vote is scummy], despite it being very, very ED1, and there not exactly being much else to go onto.

Then he votes Bard, only to say this at the end:

'
'I think the backpedaling and two report-type posts are the scummiest things so far. Gotta go~'

So why aren't you voting for the people who did those? I don't think Bardiche's actions fall under either of these.

Quote from: Serela on February 24, 2014, 02:32:57 AM

^What they said
##Unvote ##Vote Raikaria
Fluff posts all over and giving the game a complete handwave without any mention of anything in any degree, we got Satori from Subterranean Mafia making a comeback here. (I don't actually remember what happened apart from me ed1 voting her for overfluff, but whatever)

Bard is fine, my omgus was bad play if you view it as anything other than "lol rvs shenanigans :V", SkyPal calling it kinda scummy and then saying Bard is scummy for voting it is hilariously contradictory and I'd be semi-seriously leaving my vote on him if I wasn't voting Raikaria.

Everyone going "I don't think anyone is mafia yet!" should lower their ed1 expectations and just vote someone. Of course, at this point it should be easier to do so anyway :V

Appealing to meta is fine except I don't think I was even in Subterrainian Mafia. :/

And yeah I've been fluffy but most of my posts were RVS shens or me saying 'I'mma sleep now'. Now I'm slightly less fluffy.

I do agree on your final statement, however, we're not going to get anything done by doing nothing people.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #85 on:** February 24, 2014, 10:28:26 AM »

So, PX suddenly appears and votes Raikaria, without commenting on anything else, for what I have to assume (because it wasn't explained) saying that he needs to do stuff tomorrow, when I said EXACTLY THE SAME and nobody suspected me??? Wow. It's super opportunistic.

Schezo also commented on it among the same lines even if he didn't switch his vote, which is scummy but not as scummy as what PX did since he's commented on other things. Still, he voted Serela at random without giving reasoning for it at a time when he was supposed to do so, and he didn't vote whoever made that "great case" he mentioned, which would be the logical thing to do. He's scummy, but not as much as PX.

I don't think Serela's scummy for voting Raikaria though, because he's Serela. Note than I'm not giving him a free pass, I'm just using different criteria for everyone.

I'm keeping my vote where it is, I just happened to make a RVS vote on the same guy I want to vote seriously right now.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #86 on:** February 24, 2014, 10:32:50 AM »

Also I like how people ignore the questions I've asked to them. They're serious questions which I want a reply for.

(I asked stuff to CF7 and Dan)

CF7 · « **Reply #87 on:** February 24, 2014, 10:40:24 AM »

Tbh, i don't like Schezo's posts. Pretty much zero actual content. RVS vote, another RVS vote, and jump-vote on Serela.
##Vote Schezo

Quote from: Mitsuki on February 24, 2014, 10:32:50 AM

Also I like how people ignore the questions I've asked to them. They're serious questions which I want a reply for.

(I asked stuff to CF7 and Dan)

I'm not sure what is there to answer. I'm going to sleep and say that i hope you don't lynch someone while i sleep. Because pretty much anything can happen in mafia game.

P.S. Today is my grandmother's birthday, so i'll be quite busy during the day and will be back in ~6-7 hours.

O4rfish · « **Reply #88 on:** February 24, 2014, 12:33:52 PM »

Dan, I think it's time to vote someone other than yourself.

Schezo · « **Reply #89 on:** February 24, 2014, 01:26:57 PM »

I call Raikaria out for doing literally nothing and you want to shit talk me when you at least asked questions today. Then you think I should vote the person I agree with. Jesus fucking Christ Mitsuki.

CF7 what makes my RVS votes different from hmm everyone else's in the game?