Author Topic: Omerta - Town of Mafia (Game over Scum wins)  (Read 42885 times)

Sky_Paladin

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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #510 on: March 04, 2014, 12:03:07 AM »
Dan,

The quote you made was of NNR saying that Cheez and I were scummy.  As it happens, you also claimed out of thin air that Cheez was scum.  NNR was scum.  Cheez then died for picking the relationship between you and Dan, and was town. 

In that same post that you quoted, NNR discredits votes against you by saying you are annoying rather than scummy. 

In that same post, the confirmed scum votes for me and you made the argument 'Scum dont mind to omgus a buddy' and therefore Bardiche must be town, but then you ignore that scum DO vote for Sky, so if I'm a scumbuddy, he wouldn't have voted for me.  But he did.  And, by coincidence right, you are voting me now too. 

Then you follow it up with a post that rehashes why I cleared Raikaria as town earlier in the day, "Raikaria just isn't scum.  Unless someone else is the power role, then yes he is," and finish it off with this beautifully contradictory line:

"I don't particularly care to out this sensitive info because it's super obvious."

......

Like, are you even trying anymore?

Dan is buddying to Bard and Raikaria, trying to get them to buy into Dan is an okay guy.  It's scummy because he only presented reasons that are either a) already presented by somebody else or b) is dependent on what scum have said or done. 

I MEAN SERIOUSLY.

It just looks like an excuse to wagon anybody but Zak.  I can only assume he is the Godfather and you are desperately trying to get a mislynch on to yourself, hoping that Schezo has another cop check somehow and that he will misclear Zak.  Because it's the only way I can understand what you are doing.  And the only reason you would risk your neck like this to try and buy a mislynch is if we are, in fact, currently holding your scumbuddy at L-1. 
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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #511 on: March 04, 2014, 01:17:33 AM »
If raikaria isn't the power role he's scum.  He spent all D1 crumbing it.  Otherwise I'd have voted him because I don't like his posts.

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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #512 on: March 04, 2014, 01:19:53 AM »
Also tbh if I were scum right now I'd have voted zak and either played to get some bus cred or sac myself for the mislynch depending.   

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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #513 on: March 04, 2014, 01:31:12 AM »
If raikaria isn't the power role he's scum.  He spent all D1 crumbing it.  Otherwise I'd have voted him because I don't like his posts.
Also tbh if I were scum right now I'd have voted zak and either played to get some bus cred or sac myself for the mislynch depending.   
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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #514 on: March 04, 2014, 01:33:23 AM »
I mean, those posts seem exactly like scum WIFOM when they're on the gallows, and the only exception is that ActionDan isn't today's lynch.
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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #515 on: March 04, 2014, 01:35:58 AM »
Also tbh if I were scum right now I'd have voted zak and either played to get some bus cred or sac myself for the mislynch depending.

and i didn't even realize this since I have been so focused on Zak and Dan actually being the scum team, but ...

isn't this post basically admitting Zak is scum?
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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #516 on: March 04, 2014, 02:32:34 AM »
mislynch = the case where he's town

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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #517 on: March 04, 2014, 03:17:25 AM »
work sucks etc

I realized that the day ends before my shift tomorrow does and I go in early so I won't have the time or brain to do anything but voteswitch.

I guess I'll have to finish any qualms I have with the current situation tonight. :T
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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #518 on: March 04, 2014, 03:17:54 AM »
(work sucks was supposed to imply that "just got home from work and tiredness" but I realized it really doesn't)
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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #519 on: March 04, 2014, 03:52:31 AM »
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Serela, the main reason I have issues with your posts[snip]
If you're not doing any of those things (or any other thing that I forgot to include) then your post is basically an empty content post.
So basically Paladin is saying all my posts to try to tell him "No, dude, you're doing it wrong" are scummy

RIP my everything. I'm not going to stand by and watch you help town lose the game. >:T If you can't deal with criticism get out, and considering that's what basically all my posts that you're complaining about are about, yes, this is exactly what you are roundaboutedly saying.

Anyway

I wish Dan would make it easier to believe he's town because I really want to, but giving good townreads (IMO at least) and then PoEing the rest without reason is ;_; Despite how much I would LOVE to do that, ALL THE TIME, Dan stop living my dreams you aren't even getting lynched for doing it aaaaa

Unless Dan is either wifoming or not caring because he's not at the chop block then I still don't really see him as scum. I am using his questionable meta to come to this decision, yeah.

But he's the closest thing to a counterwagon for Zak, in terms of people being willing to lynch him even if they're not necessarily voting him, which brings me to... I've been ignoring analyzing Zak's posts for most of the day considering he was my best town read not counting confirmtowns >> Now I don't even know if I'd want to throw Dan out over Zak. I guess Zak would probably get lynched -tomorrow- otherwise anyway.

...that's a really wimpy reason to go along with this happening. But lo and behold, my top scumread is either going to be turbolynched or hailed as town depending on whether or not there's another PR so there's nothing further to address there, my secondary scumread SkyPal is... well, maybe my reasons for deciding today he's probably town are bad reasons to clear someone? I'm having PoE issues here with "but they can't all be town, Serela!" Schezo hardly even existed today as far as I can remember (did he make, like, 1 post worth anything?) and ActionDan can't convince anyone other than me of anything so even if they're my logical town friends to get cool things done they won't help me out in the end. Zakeri is kind of useless so far even if he's adorable, SkyPal and Darkie make me go AUGH WHY constantly.

I'm surrounded by either useless or illogical people and my top scumread's lynch is completely out of my hands ;_; I stopped posting much for the past little while because it's like, what am I even doing anymore.
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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #520 on: March 04, 2014, 03:56:58 AM »
RIP My Votecount

Zakeri (4): Raikaria, Darkninjaabc, O4rfish, Sky Paladin
ActionDan (1): Zakeri
Raikaria (2): Schezo, Serela
Sky_Paladin (1): ActionDan

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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #521 on: March 04, 2014, 04:02:46 AM »
I will retire from mafia and take up acting. My first play shall be titled RIP My Votecount. I will turn my mafia tragedies into hollywood gold.
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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #522 on: March 04, 2014, 04:04:59 AM »
You know that game recently where the same votecount got colored and reposted like 20 different times, that will be a good starring votecount I think.

(SkyPaladin are you CRYING IN DESPAIR at all my useless posts yet)
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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #523 on: March 04, 2014, 04:09:45 AM »
I'm surrounded by either useless or illogical people

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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #524 on: March 04, 2014, 04:15:31 AM »
I'm sorry o4rfish I forgot about you :C You're literally modconfirmed town and you don't make big posts nor do they make me want to cry
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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #525 on: March 04, 2014, 04:20:51 AM »
oh serela you're just so adorable.

I am indeed town.  It wouldn't be much of a stretch for me to be scum this game but I just am not. 

I plan to let the 13 hours tick by.

Mind you guys,  I think I've only reread up to page 8 for my opinions thus far. 

I think if Raikaria is town, the scum team is skypal / bard(DNA).  If only because of that early case that got strung out a while from skypal unto bard.   It was indeed bad.  Like everyone noticed that the first two points were contradictory.  it was so blatant I think one could almost say it was null because it drew attention... but maybe just bad scumplay and it got called out.  Bard's vote on skypal ---> Raikaria soon anyway and it's not heard of again.   

Uh.  I kinda forgot what happened after.  Possibly a product of not reading. 

but I am more or less POEing to Skypal.  so people calling me out on that are correct?  But I mean what were you expecting?  'SERELA IS THE SCUMS - LOOK AT HER POSTS - WATCH ME WITCHHUNT HER'? (that kinda of applies to everyone but I sorta did that and went the other way on Zak etc.)

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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #526 on: March 04, 2014, 04:26:49 AM »
I'm sorry o4rfish I forgot about you :C You're literally modconfirmed town and you don't make big posts nor do they make me want to cry
Quote from: ActionDan in the post right before mine
Mind you guys,  I think I've only reread up to page 8 for my opinions thus far.
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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #527 on: March 04, 2014, 04:56:55 AM »
I think this is somewhat excusable given how ActionDan is scum and needs to lie about things. Scum wants to obfuscate the town's scumhunting, and claiming to be a town bad player is apparently a valid strategy as scum.
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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #528 on: March 04, 2014, 05:03:16 AM »
I see things like this and I really think to myself "why are we not lynching actiondan".

Going to bed. Will be back in the morning a few hours before deadline to voteswitch if, well, whatever happens.
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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #529 on: March 04, 2014, 05:36:47 AM »
Lynch Serela tmr.

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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #530 on: March 04, 2014, 07:02:52 AM »
You literally want to lynch Serela over playstyle DNA.  Every post it's just because of how Serela talks and now why that makes him scum.  And I will disagree.  The logic may be "sound" for a Zakeri lynch be really I'm not feeling it.  It just feels like an opportune mislynch and I can't find myself supporting it.

It has nothing to do with me "being a hipster" Oarfish.  You can lynch Dan since he hasn't read half the game though.

Um.  Sky Paladin needs to stop dismissing Raikaria as a lynch suspect at all for pulling a null action.  What the hell?
And his case on Serela is that he can't make a case because Serela babbles and I don't even know if he suspects Serela hmmm

As for like that interaction of reading into a night 1 nightkill to make a case on Dan.  Uh no.  Yes he's suspect the lurk but seriously Cheez's death could have been for any reason and it's worse to assume it had a connection than to just leave it at null.
Lynch Serela tmr.

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why?

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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #531 on: March 04, 2014, 08:05:11 AM »
Every single time Serela speaks, a batch of my brain cells fizzles.
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Sky_Paladin

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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #532 on: March 04, 2014, 08:15:41 AM »
Just passing through in between shifts. 

Serela
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"why are we not lynching actiondan"
I know. 

Schezo
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Sky Paladin needs to stop dismissing Raikaria as a lynch suspect at all for pulling a null action. 
Until somebody counterclaims, POE says he is town.  The end.  I can't understand your reason for voting him. 

I also don't understand Serela's reason for voting Raikaria, especially as she was so adamantly defending Raikaria and then when I picked Serela as scummy for not voting, she suddenly voted for Raikaria. 

There's just a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense going on, partly because the phase has dragged on for so damn long with nothing really happening. 
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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #533 on: March 04, 2014, 08:24:06 AM »
yeah except for that part where Raikaria hasn't claimed anything.

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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #534 on: March 04, 2014, 08:53:58 AM »
Also I guess it's worth pointing out that the only one defending Zak is Dan, and Zak hasn't actually defended himself or made a counter attack and has voted for Dan. 
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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #535 on: March 04, 2014, 09:16:49 AM »
So, uh, everyone's spending D3 theorying who else is scum after Zakeri's flip? It's almost like we've all decided to lynch him but no-one is gonna hammer.

I don't think Sky's scum if I'm town, seeing as he keeps insisting I'm clear.

Schezo I claimed I was crumbing D1, but it may not have been truthful crumbing. Also I claimed town. I ain't claimed a role because I wanna confuzzle the scums.


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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #536 on: March 04, 2014, 09:46:06 AM »
Sky's case on me is worrysome because it's practically the exact same case he made on me in An Untitled Mafia, the only real different being that it lacks the parts that I told him raised enough red flags for me to be certain that he was scum in that game. I don't know if this is legit gut acting up, or if I'm just being paranoid, but it's enough to make me want to switch votes to him.

I'm clearly at the point where I'm overthinking things to the point of regressing, since pretty much everyone worth holding an opinion on is starting to read full null to me right now, and since I decided to spend the day with friends instead of reading, my brain is turned to mush and I'm up way past the deadline for sleeping. The strongest feeling I have right now is paranoia regarding his case against me, and remembering why I hated the way he was talking early day one - specifcally the part where he makes a bad case on Bardiche and instead of acknowledging others telling him it's bad, he sweeps it under the rug with a case on NekoNekoRex (Who flipped scum) and then immediately switched to voting with the case on Raikaria one post later. Relevent post for this are 69, 98, and 99.

I still don't like Dan, it would be easy for him to compare my previous day's posting style to my town style from other games and claim he thinks I'm town while letting me fade away into the twilight. It would also help him avoid suspicion compared to just quickhammering me to get it over with.

There's nothing to say about Sky's vote on NNR but then there's really nothing to say about the wagon in general that changes my opinion on anyone. Serela was the first one to dissect the logic behind Schezo's claim and made the right choice, but even though I want to throw up the Serela is always town stop picking on him hands into the air, Logic is a very easy thing for a scum to use to his own advantage, especially when bussing other scum, so I'll just have to throw up my null hands instead augh.
(Although speaking of using logic, now that I think about it, Skypal trying to come up with scum pair interactions looks more and more suspicious. It's actually clever, but it seems he's trying to set up lynches in a row while disguising it as scumhunting via typical methods of logic synthing)

I think the Crux of the Case against Raikaria is the fact that he switched from a bad case on Sky to a worse case on me. It's technically sound logic but I don't feel like that in itself is derived from scum logic. Schezo makes a Strong argument for the case he made against me being anti-town, but it feels too sincere to be a pro-scum move. I guess what I mean is it really feels like He was omgusing Sky as town, went back to read my posts, and agreed that I was surface level suspicious enough for a vote.

Finding the post where Serela votes Raikaria is hard because I assume it's after all of the posts he defends Raikaria in, but the vote count says no it isn't.
Ahh I found it. wait, now I have to find the reasoning in a different post augh.
The way he ends up describing it is mostly gut? I guess ... I don't really have a choice but to accept it, even though it's kind of icky.
I would like Serela to go back and extrapolate more from the posts that made him go "I guess town does this, but..." Or at least define the things that come after the but.

Order of most to least suspicious to me in Sky in first, then Dan, Serela, Darkie, with Raikaria bringing up the rear. I would like to  clean up all of the points I made against SkyPal but I'm way too tired to continue this post any longer than I absolutely have to.

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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #537 on: March 04, 2014, 09:48:04 AM »
also since it's not implicit, Darkie is the nullest point in that line, since I can't seem to derive anything from his posts other than just flat out disagreeing with everything he says. Yes, that also means Serela is on the scum side.

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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #538 on: March 04, 2014, 10:02:17 AM »
I had a dream about mafia breaking into my room why can't I sleep ;-;

Zakeri (4): Raikaria, Darkninjaabc, O4rfish, Sky Paladin
Raikaria (2): Schezo, Serela
Sky_Paladin (2): ActionDan, Zakeri

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Re: Omerta - Town of Mafia (day three)
« Reply #539 on: March 04, 2014, 10:13:55 AM »
Don't worry Shadoweh, O4rfish the mason will protect you.

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