Author Topic: Urist Fortress Mafia - Night 3  (Read 94917 times)

DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #390 on: January 14, 2014, 01:13:51 PM »
Firstly, conqs question to me about my hammer. Basically, I have three mobile devices, one home phone, one work phone and a computer.

My computer has no internet connection and needs to use the work phone tethering wifi to work.

While my home phone cannot tether but has wifi yet its screen is tiny.

So basically, I cannot keep up an argument nor vote effectively considering there's a five second lag on loading every page. I also was incapable of accessing my work phone in due period during ED1 so I hammered for our sake. Its just simple as that.

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Secondly, what's wrong with those two during just today.  Actually, screw it, I am gonna go from the very start of my logic train.
My short statement of cf7 and shadoweh being confscums come from the fact that I am triple hated. Look at ED1 votals, I had NNR, Oarfish, Dormio, Shadow and CF. Dormio is just being a jerk and mindfucking with us to wriggle out of a lynch, and oarfish and nnr have parked their vote on me for a actual day and two actual days respectively. They provided completely no reason to me being a more valuable candidate to lynch as compared with the lurker who did barely enough to lynch dodge. But they are not the subject here.

Basically, I would call my biggest turning point as town in my case against dormio. But since those two (oarfish and nnr) effectively ignored the game at that point and dormio is just looking for an escape. The only two persons who actually had to have a reason to vote me boils down to CF7 and Shadow. Yet, both of them never, and by that I mean literally never, not once, provide ANY MATERIAL NOR ANALYSIS pointing to me being scum. They are both just shouting empty words at the top of their lungs to lynch me because I am the second wagon coming after. That's why I find it both so hilarious and stupid at the same time. I would've thrown it in their faces then if I were not effectively talk-restricted and the deadline is 1.5 hrs away.

Mind you, while this may not be obvious enough to some people ,(like Serela who just went ''ahhh yyeaaaah DNA is like secondary wagon and everyone on that wagon are super serious and logical about this'')  are you actually going to believe SHADOWEH, SHADOWEH of all people for christ's sake would not realize that the three people on my ''wagon'' are one being actual afk, the other (oarfish) faking being afk, and dormio just looking to escape.  In fact, just the fact that cheez and serela exist and buys that the DNA wagon is an option because HEY THERE'S PEOPLE ON IT  is also a substantial part in my decision to just get it over with and hammer with conq. Because just saying ''don't listen to shadoweh/cf7 because I am triple hated'' is already going to take forever typing out on my home phone and is not even plausible considering that small statement is pointless without elaboration and if anything would just contribute to me being pushed harder.

So I did the other viable option, I claimed, I am a doctor, I can self protect every non consecutive night.  It turned out okay, I suppose.
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Thirdly, what has happened now.

Just so for Serela and Cheez, I would like to remind you once again to please read through pages 7-10 in the thread again, note how there's absolutely zero material, analysis and anything-not-nonsense-nor-a-stub argument being made against me.

Noticed it? Good.

So basically, what Shadoweh and CF7 did even today are outright weird and do not resemble any townplay at all.

Let's get into the townie's mind for a moment. Three, or possibly four kills have occured, which pretty much have confirmed the existence of a SK. A D1 super hardtown player claimed to have tracked at least three kills, with one failed because of my (now assumed not from me) docblock and the other kill being a dud in skypal which never got detected.

What those two did in this scenario, instead of immediately questioning the doctor, or just asking for people to counterclaim, or to just own themselves up and to hopefully piece together the situation considering 2/3 of the core town roles (cop and vig) died, WAS TO DISMISS THE DOCTOR'S CLAIM AS RUBBISH, WITHOUT ASKING FOR ANYTHING ELSE, AND TO ALSO COMPLETELY DISMISS THE DOCTOR'S READS. WHAT THE FUCK MAN. How is that even town? I said I am a doctor, and I already know much more than an average vt. Wouldn't it make an ounce of sense for any reasonable townie to at least for a moment, HEAR WHAT THE CLAIMED PR HAS TO SAY?

Moreover, their crackpot theory about me and conq being scumbuddies are even more pure comedy gold, and by gold I mean shit. Look back through ED1. While that period of time is messy, there are alot of useful hints of everyone's alignments by just looking at the vote records...... I am getting tired and has to eat, so let me cut this brief now and return to it later;

The interaction of votals between me and conq are effectively impossible for we both to be scumbuddies. Besides, conq is claiming a watcher/tracker/voyeur estque role if i interpreted it correctly, and I claimed doctor. I seriously do not believe that in a setup where D1 three attempted kills were done would exclude those two mentioned roles or their variants. It would be outright suiciding to do that.

The thing about me being impossible to protect conq is also retarded. I talked about me being able to selfdoc every day because I for first do not trust paladin entirely, and was worried scum would make me a priority target because i am the doctor. So I just guarded the towniest player and hoped for the best. It worked.

Cut by dinner will return to this later catchya
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DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #391 on: January 14, 2014, 01:14:53 PM »
On seconds thoughts I don't think I even parse why is it impossible that I couldn't have protected conq.

Anyway dinner later
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #392 on: January 14, 2014, 01:16:46 PM »
Is triple hated supposed to be a figure of speech?

Also, I'm not claiming tracker or watcher. I'm just BP, and I got notified when I got shot.


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DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #393 on: January 14, 2014, 01:20:28 PM »
it is a figure of speech

and pardon i dont understand what you said

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #394 on: January 14, 2014, 01:21:11 PM »
I'd like Shadoweh to explain why DNA's claim is impossible, but other than that statement uh I don't see anything that makes me think she's scum.


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DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #395 on: January 14, 2014, 01:42:52 PM »
Basically, there are four kills being sent N1, one being a dud.

Conq enabler status allowed him to track three of them being used. Correct me if I am wrong.

One comes from scum, the other from SK, and the third one is likely from the second vig.

Or it could be something like scum/vig/vig too, but that would make one enabler tying into 3 vigs, and when in the worst possible situation the enabler is killed first the entire town game will fail to progress as the mod intended for it would result in three vanillas popping up.

That's about it really.
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #396 on: January 14, 2014, 02:20:21 PM »
oh, and i am gonna doc myself tonight.
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #397 on: January 14, 2014, 02:32:27 PM »
Shadoweh, why are you voting for Dark. It looks like you're only voting him because his protect target got shot, and I know you're better than that.

Dark, I think you misunderstand what Conqueror's role is. He can survive one nightkill attempt on his life, and it will tell him that an attempt was made on him. That fact that he got shot proves that you're protection either went somewhere else, doesn't exist, or got blocked somehow.

I'm going to have to go through and reread because 1. I was convinced Sky was a Serial Killer from his multi-vig claim and 2. I didn't really prepare myself for surviving night one.

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #398 on: January 14, 2014, 03:01:14 PM »
oh, and i am gonna doc myself tonight.
also. i lied about self protect. i am a non csc self protect variant.
Oh...
Somebody is forgetting his own words it seems. Or you're lying again. And that somehow should bolster your claim.
Sometimes rumors are just... rumors

DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #399 on: January 14, 2014, 03:05:47 PM »
then i am even more confused. for i am definitely sure i sent my night action to both the mods.

and if i were roleblocked i certainly didnt receive any message nor pm stating i failed . so this is truly baffling.
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #400 on: January 14, 2014, 03:17:16 PM »
cut by whaaatttttttcf7 you are hilarious.

firstly i said at d1 i am unlimited doc, meaning i can target whoever however many times i want. in order to ward off nk attempts on me, the claimed doc

then i clarified in d2 i was actually a non consecutive self protect version of doctor and was gambitting night 1 by protecting conq. but apparently it failed. maybe due to conqs bp trigger in priority when hes shot, or i got roleblocked and didnt receive any confirmation regarding if it was sucess or fail.

you are just making silly, irrelevant and stupid jabs which do not mean anything

if you actually had the time to nitpick a tiny, perfectly reasonable statement in my wall and to fling hurriedly excreted faeces at me, i believe you have more than enough time to have actually response to what that i heavily questioned you on, that is voting me with no reason in d1 sans that i got triple voteparked.

you know what, i feel that a vote at this point is completely justified.

##vote: cf7
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Serela

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #401 on: January 14, 2014, 03:25:29 PM »
what the fuck happened

Anyway, I wouldn't be super surprised if Darkie doccing Conq successfully would still have this event occur, although it -would- be a hilarious way to have a doc fakeclaim outted. I'd ask the mod before assuming the roles do not interact this way.

CF7's statement was bad logically but darkie voting him for it right now is pretty bad too IMO. (It was bad logic but it seems like a communication understanding that's pretty easy to sort out, and isn't CF7 not even voting Darkie or anything?)

Except for the part where I haven't really paid attention to CF7 much this game so maybe he's only been making insignificant pokes like this all game, which actually would be a fairly alright reason to vote him >>; I can't -recall- him doing anything better.

Also I can imagine Conq also being an SK caught in a hilarious fakeclaim here (in terms of the amount of nightkills after it was shown SkyPal's vig was disabled by death, which, by the way, has never been how it works in MotK before AS FAR AS I AM AWARE :V Not that that's a bad thing, it's just very unexpected, normally anyone who gets shot at and isn't protected will die) but the only reason to fakeclaim extra kills would be "Let's confuse the fuck out of town", albiet that can be a legitimate strategy

anyway I'm not seriously suggesting this on conq but I just thought it was an amusing thought and that it is still somewhat realistic

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #402 on: January 14, 2014, 03:27:23 PM »
maybe oarfish's thing about conq will help clarify something, I'm highly interested in what that's about
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #403 on: January 14, 2014, 04:01:57 PM »
Anyway, I wouldn't be super surprised if Darkie doccing Conq successfully would still have this event occur, although it -would- be a hilarious way to have a doc fakeclaim outted. I'd ask the mod before assuming the roles do not interact this way.
oh right
Raikaria if a doc protected someone with a one-shot BP vest and they got shot, would the vest get used up?
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Serela

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #404 on: January 14, 2014, 04:03:09 PM »
I almost edited my post oops
anyway, in addition
If a doc protected a bulletproof who knows when they're shot, would they still be told about the attempt on their life

idk how conq's role is/works so :SHRUG:
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #405 on: January 14, 2014, 04:14:24 PM »
So this is kind of tough to make sense of. The way I see it, either Conq or Darkie has to be lying, because the only way I could see both of their claims being true is if there was a bus driver and a fifth potential kill involved last night, and five kills on the first night sounds absolutely ridiculous.

Darkie, it really should be no surprise to you that people are voting for you when you've already proven to be lying about your role, especially now that it looks like you're lying again. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if in a few days you turned around again and said "What is wrong with you people I clearly said that I was a nonconsecutive doc can't you understand anything you all are scum." At this point, I don't trust you enough to believe that you've been telling the truth about your role so far. I don't want to vote for you quite yet but you're definitely at the top of my list.

Conq could also be lying, for sure, but right now Darkie kind of trumps him in being untrustworthy. Maybe looking back through the game will change that though.

Also.
then i clarified in d2 i was actually a non consecutive self protect version of doctor and was gambitting night 1 by protecting conq. but apparently it failed. maybe due to conqs bp trigger in priority when hes shot, or i got roleblocked and didnt receive any confirmation regarding if it was sucess or fail.
I highly doubt conq's bulletproof vest takes priority over a doctor rescue. That's like somebody's death taking priority over a doctor rescue. It doesn't make sense.
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Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #406 on: January 14, 2014, 04:26:01 PM »
The easy explanation that everyone seems to be ignoring wrt darkninja's doc claim is roleblocker, which in the case that Dark is town scum is guaranteed 100% to have blocked him to ensure a shot on I'm assuming Sky_Paladin. If you're going to tell me mafia doesn't have a roleblocker with a flipped full cop and vig then lol.

Anyway this by itself doesn't mean that much but uh, I don't know why scum!darkninja would claim he protected me after I stated in thread that I was shot.

@Mod: Are roleblocked roles notified that their actions failed?


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Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #407 on: January 14, 2014, 04:26:37 PM »
Cheez, why are you turning this into a 1v1 between me and darkninja?


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #408 on: January 14, 2014, 04:29:34 PM »
I guess bus driver is also possible. In either case there's still way too many kills flying around.

Anyway, role shenanigans aside, I think NNR is the best vote.


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SB

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #409 on: January 14, 2014, 04:33:06 PM »
conq. i protected you.

So I asked about this and a BPV who was doc'd wouldn't be hit.

This IS a 1v1.

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #410 on: January 14, 2014, 04:35:36 PM »
So I asked about this and a BPV who was doc'd wouldn't be hit.
suddenly, 1v1

THIS IS WHY I ASKED THESE QUESTIONS BEFORE I LAID JUDGMENT
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DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #411 on: January 14, 2014, 04:36:40 PM »
cut by conq

pretty much what he said. cheez isnt really getting the main point here, that hes absolutely futzed up his own logic.

suggesting a fifth kill is hilarious. sorry pal, this wont work. never

if anything a likelier scenario is that conq is sk. he claims to have been shot, but hes actually the one who shot dan because dan displayed that he totally worships conq and the association back to conq would be weak.

in this scenario, then conq couldve just confused every townie while giving off a harmless vibe to scum, seeing there is the doctor , aka me, who is likely to be protecting him every chance i get. which makes the kill less appealing because random factor.

moreover, in this scenario only three kills would be involved. one from scum, one from sk and dud in vig. i personally think that is much more reasonable given 13p setup. but i just want scums to die first
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #412 on: January 14, 2014, 04:37:15 PM »
Honestly I'm inclined to believe in DNA here. We have two unclaimed kills already, and if no kills are claimed then they can be assumed to all be antitown. 3 antitown kills in a single night seems like massive overkill to me.

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DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #413 on: January 14, 2014, 04:44:15 PM »
##unvote
##vote: conq
yeah this sounds much better as i read it over
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #414 on: January 14, 2014, 04:44:47 PM »
Cheez, why are you turning this into a 1v1 between me and darkninja?
It's the main thing I noticed when I woke up. Didn't mean to turn it into a 1v1.

...Didn't realize I was doing so, either. Sorry about that. (though I guess it kind of happened anyway)

suggesting a fifth kill is hilarious. sorry pal, this wont work. never
Um. Yes. I agree. That was my point in bringing it up, actually, because it's the only way I can see you both being honest, so I'm pretty sure you're not both being honest.
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DNAbc

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #415 on: January 14, 2014, 04:47:18 PM »
i dont think its needed to ne said but scums obviously shot sp because they know hes vig
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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #416 on: January 14, 2014, 04:47:50 PM »
I feel like only Conqueror is going to get those answers.

Also.I highly doubt conq's bulletproof vest takes priority over a doctor rescue. That's like somebody's death taking priority over a doctor rescue. It doesn't make sense.

BP Vest have no priority because they're not even an action. it literally would be death taking priority over doctor rescue which is impossible.

Cut: I kind of agree with Conqueror. I don't know how to word it but I feel like Darkie's claim is too all over the place to actually be a lie (he could just say he was roleblocked, or claim to have actually protected somebody else, or just said he was lying about being doctor to attract the NK or something)

cut again I should probably throw this post out for  being too outdated.

Serela

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #417 on: January 14, 2014, 04:50:38 PM »
The claimed cop getting bus driven/otherwise redirected in a game where targets aren't notified about it would be a lot more likely then a fifth kill, but we're already stepping into big role shenanigan territory depressingly early in the game, so

But yeah, basically. Raikaria was questioned and answered that if the BP was docced then they wouldn't be notified about a kill on their life. So either Darkie's action was redirected and he isn't notified, or one of them is lying.

That brings up another question.

Raikaria, if someone with an active, targetted power is redirected, will they be notified they were redirected? For example if Doc protects PersonA but is redirected to PersonB do they just know "action went through" or "action went through on personb"
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Serela

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #418 on: January 14, 2014, 04:51:08 PM »
The claimed cop getting bus driven
doc*
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Conqueror

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Re: Urist Fortress Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #419 on: January 14, 2014, 04:52:45 PM »
This IS a 1v1.

Nope, try again.

Darkie, what are you doing? >_>



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