Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -12F

[Dodging_Rain]

I believe only the one wearing it receieves bonus xp.

[Axel Ryman]

Wait what. How to skip floor 4 foe?

There's a specific path you can take to go around it. I did it once and nearly shouted in glee cause I didn't want to fight it. I haven't tried it lately but I'm going to try and remember it.

[Kuilfrayt]

Wait what. How to skip floor 4 foe?

[ZXNova]

Yeah, I remember having to find that path by myself. It was very intense. My heart was pounding and I almost felt like crying when that FOE was coming closer and closer. Then when I finally got around it I was so happy. Wasn't that hard honestly. But still... sp00k.

[Ghaleon]

I could have sworn i tried that but the foe would get  to me before i even left that bottom narrow area, but thanks!
Infidentally i just remembered tht im pretty sure thats the very creature i was talking about earlier who successfully insta-deathed my youmu WITH a death resist item.

Wanna play but busy, but not happy about memorizd knowledge. I realize  I can use different pary members with mysti resist gear or whatever, but im anal about not changing my party of twelve for the purpose of one boss/floor. I also dont like dramatically rearraging the items i use but looks like i have no choice. I can prob slap my absolute best mnd/mystic resist gear on like alice and minoruke and just 2 girl the boss. Maybe patchy but i dunno if the boss is vulnerable to mnd-targeting spells.

[ZXNova]

I could have sworn i tried that but the foe would get  to me before i even left that bottom narrow area, but thanks!
Infidentally i just remembered tht im pretty sure thats the very creature i was talking about earlier who successfully insta-deathed my youmu WITH a death resist item.

Wanna play but busy, but not happy about memorizd knowledge. I realize  I can use different pary members with mysti resist gear or whatever, but im anal about not changing my party of twelve for the purpose of one boss/floor. I also dont like dramatically rearraging the items i use but looks like i have no choice. I can prob slap my absolute best mnd/mystic resist gear on like alice and minoruke and just 2 girl the boss. Maybe patchy but i dunno if the boss is vulnerable to mnd-targeting spells.

It is vulnerable to mind attacking spells, but it has a lower defense so... However you wanna do it.

[Dodging_Rain]

I could have sworn i tried that but the foe would get  to me before i even left that bottom narrow area, but thanks!
Infidentally i just remembered tht im pretty sure thats the very creature i was talking about earlier who successfully insta-deathed my youmu WITH a death resist item.

Wanna play but busy, but not happy about memorizd knowledge. I realize  I can use different pary members with mysti resist gear or whatever, but im anal about not changing my party of twelve for the purpose of one boss/floor. I also dont like dramatically rearraging the items i use but looks like i have no choice. I can prob slap my absolute best mnd/mystic resist gear on like alice and minoruke and just 2 girl the boss. Maybe patchy but i dunno if the boss is vulnerable to mnd-targeting spells.

I had something similar happened to me.  I had my Komachi (116 death resist) getting death'ed by Eiki once.

Also, you mostly need the mystic gear on Komachi and anyone else you are planning to stay to weather Ether Flare.  Everyone else you can switch out.  Now that I think of it, has anyone had an attack that flattened Komachi in one hit regardless of affinity stacking?

[Ghaleon]

Komachi isnt in my 12 and like i said i dont like using charcters just for 1 fight/floor unless absolutely neccesary. Yes im aware that makes fight like eiki much harder =p.

But im thinking ill just treat knowledge the same way as as i beat keedamageddon or wtf its name was from the first game.  Patchy isnt taking 0 from knowledge even with reimu buffs but is just barely dying by it and maybe if i just focus all her gear on m d exclusively she can (better if alice could since her attack is a def over mnd one)

[ZXNova]

I had something similar happened to me.  I had my Komachi (116 death resist) getting death'ed by Eiki once.

Also, you mostly need the mystic gear on Komachi and anyone else you are planning to stay to weather Ether Flare.  Everyone else you can switch out.  Now that I think of it, has anyone had an attack that flattened Komachi in one hit regardless of affinity stacking?

Are you meaning 116 extra resist? Cause Komachi has a base death resist of 160. If you do mean extra resist, you sir are very very unlucky. In fact you're already very unlucky just getting insta death with a character with a natural death resist over 60.

[Dodging_Rain]

Yeah I meant 160 (somehow I rolled a natural 1 on my numpad accuracy check).  Still...it's freaking Komachi getting Death'ed near the start of the battle.  Needless to say I had to reattempt that fight again.  And someone thought they were unlucky with their Fallout jinx perk.  I didn't even know that you can get death'ed with that resistance.  I was tempted to try again and see if Yuyuko would get hit as well.

[ZXNova]

Well I'm very surprised myself. I never got instant death before with someone with 60 or more death resistance. But seriously? Komachi? A SHINIGAMI? GETTING INSTA KILLED? wat

[Dodging_Rain]

Well I'm very surprised myself. I never got instant death before with someone with 60 or more death resistance. But seriously? Komachi? A SHINIGAMI? GETTING INSTA KILLED? wat

I blame Kogasa.

[Kirin no Sora]

Well I'm very surprised myself. I never got instant death before with someone with 60 or more death resistance. But seriously? Komachi? A SHINIGAMI? GETTING INSTA KILLED? wat

I blame Kogasa.

Why her? She's not to blame for Eiki being so broken...

And considering that this is Eiki that we're talking about, I can honestly believe that if anyone can Insta-death Komachi, it's her.

[Dodging_Rain]

surprised

Although, to be fair, it is Komachi's boss after all.

[ZXNova]

Why her? She's not to blame for Eiki being so broken...

And considering that this is Eiki that we're talking about, I can honestly believe that if anyone can Insta-death Komachi, it's her.

Well yeah, it's Eiki. Lord Enma of Paradise. Strongest Touhou character, what do ya expect?

[Dodging_Rain]

Well this is getting annoying.  A lot of the mooks in the post game area has such high defense or mind that they either no-sell either Nitori or Kaguya.  One enemy in the jungle stratum no-sell BOTH, forcing me to use Wriggles + cherry tap to deal with it. 

[Ghaleon]

Why surprising?
"Cuz kogasa" was a better response. Y U edit out. Whyyy! =p
Edit: no-sell? Wtf that expression come from?

[Validon98]

A "no sell" just means that there was like no effect. See:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoSell

[Xarizzar]

Well this is getting annoying.  A lot of the mooks in the post game area has such high defense or mind that they either no-sell either Nitori or Kaguya.  One enemy in the jungle stratum no-sell BOTH, forcing me to use Wriggles + cherry tap to deal with it.

Ah, yes, I remember those guys too. Annoying at the beginning, however they should be fine fairly soon if you don't skip battles.

Also, for some reason, that page they've made for LoT2 still hasn't been updated(Provides link to the way too old 1.151 patch), even though they updated the banner button in their main page... Am I missing something here?

[Ghaleon]

So I tried using my best mnd gear, and making starworld bracelets and stacking em on various characters of hp, mnd and both...nothing worked...so I had to give marisa the boot for tenshi to scarlet sword, which even at rank 5, and rank 2 scarlet perception or wtf it is that raises its chances of success by 40%, failed like 3/ths of the time for me. Basically I compensated by making my tenshi pure speed build with speed equipment and having aya out there to speed her up and grandson/father wtf it's called her in case she failed to unbuff the boss twice in a row (giving her a 3rd try). Despite this, fight took me like 5 tries before tenshi was able to unbuff the boss more than once.

Incidentally using magic nukers like patchy doesn't work very well. royal flare and silent selene do 0 (I was expecting silent to suck cuz it's mystic and the boss is obviously mystic oriented). Her other spells would do like 2-6k only... though it's odd that royal flare hits for 0 when the others hit harder, it USED to punch thru defenses better than all her other spells (other than selene), but now it clearly does not.

Now I have kasen, I feel so ashamed =P.

[Serela]

Memorized Knowledge, right? I was lucky since I was using Mokou who resurrect tanks it like a pro, I'm not really sure how else you can deal with it apart from Mokou or Komachi tanking hits.

Debuffing it's speed is important, but even with Tenshi it probably deals too much damage on ether flares, and Tenshi really isn't the most reliable. While it's annoying to bring in someone just for a specific boss, I'd recommend pulling in Mokou (she really needs no equipment or anything, just her Resurrection passive and maybe a tp boost item) and making sure you have a form of speed debuff. It's weak to dark/physical and you really need to use def-targetting attacks, not mind. (Amusingly Kasen does debuff it's speed with a strong dark-based def-targetting attack... but unless you actually want kasen that's not a huge deal)

[Ghaleon]

Minoruke/patchy could ALMOST survive its nukes even at 100% mag when I give them my best mnd/mystic resist gear, but not at level 55. blah. That said I didn't do anything special to kill it other than replace marisa with speed Tenshi just for that one fight, between making sure it was not buffed, and making sure reimu/patchy/minoruke had high defense buffs (from reimu), its damage was manageable (minoruke in particular took 0s, patchy would too if I made her mnd like I liked to sometimes in lot1 but her nukes just seem to do 0s so often this time around I need effing mag qq)...simply getting scarlet sword to dispell the buff in time was the only difficulty.

But yeah memorized knowledge. I hear that making maps for these 3 floors is important, but I hate doing that. Incidentally I never needed one for the iron maze, though I do "cheat" by looking at the teleporter codes for that "binary" floor. I'm thinking I'll have to cheat and look at all the hole fall thingies because I have afeeling some treasures are only found by falling thru specific holes, but falling thru each and every one to see would be tedious as @%#%@.

[Serela]

Generally you can just remember where on the previous floor there are big gapes of unexplored area, and then look for a hole above you.

[ZXNova]

Koma can definitely survive the mystic flare with about 2 star world bracelet. Honestly, all I did was use Aya, Divine Grandson Advent on Tenshi in the beginning, use maxed scarlet perception and knock off the 100% mag. You could also use Hina (Hina is your most consistent bet) to debuff it immediately so that when it does boost it's mag, it'll be less than 100%. Gotta do some precision ATB tactics, but when done correctly, you can either 1. Debuff Memorized Knowledge's Mag to less than 100% once or twice with Hina. 2. Manage to knock off it's 100% mag and then debuff it's other stats. Assuming you're using Aya, Tenshi, and Hina. If you're using Koma, it becomes easier to debuff. Oh yeah, I just thought about this on the top of my head, maybe you could use Cirno to debuff it's speed a butt load.

[Ghaleon]

Yeah I wasn't using any of those characters at all though sooo yeah. I mean I know I could, and I know they would have helped, but like I said about anal about replacing characters.

I can't remember why I'm not using hina though, she was actually one of the characters I was looking forward to trying the most in this game, as I would hatate if she was out. I voted for her for TPW Evo+ for example. I think it's because I wanted to play with her so much that I wanted to wait for ng+ so I could play her from start to finish instead of just 3/4 of the game only , without dooming myself to forcing myself to try her two games in a row if I didn't like her or something.

[Koog]

I have a great question now!
Which subclass fits better for EVERY single character?
I'm asking this since I'm going for a NG+ with Renko and Mari.

[Dodging_Rain]

That is one hell of a question and I don't think there is an all-encompassing subclass for every character.  Heck there may be times when you actually want to switch subclass in the middle of your run.

As for Renko and Maribel.  I am starting to pump up their stats but hasn't utilize them yet.  One thing with Renko though is that both her attack and mag are pretty poor so a lot of the classes that require scaling based on those power would not work well for her (healing and  damage classes).  However, due to maintenance, she has the potential to become ridiculously tanky.  Her HP is pretty strong and while her def is average and mind is subpar.  Remember my picture with a super Nitori that excels in so many fields?  Well, Renko has better defensive stats and does not need to focus on her att or mag at all so she can essentially focus on having tank and speed items.  That's not all, her Sealing Club bonus while Maribel is on the field gives her an additional 24% bonus to all of her stats and she can regenerate 12% of that if she takes a turn after someone else (in comparison, Komachi only gets 10%).

As for her spellcard, it's pretty flaky from what I can see, both of them having strategic drawback.  I am going to see if enhancer can mitigrate the self-damage.

I can't really judge Maribel yet on observation but I will get back to you on that.

Here are characters that I do have set on subclasses:
Nitori- Transcendent.  Strength her all over the field and even further when augmented by maintenance.
Reimu- Enhancer.  Gives her spellcard a mean to fulfill both roles at once though while prioritizing the one that is important.
Byakuren- Strategist.  Has great staying power, lets her maintain both her buffs (to 100%) and keep the one she buffs longer.
Aya- Formerly Magician.  Currently Diva.  Magician is due to to reduce the amount of mana she needs to use while spamming Peerless Wind God, and her speed allows her to not only distribute speed buff but also mana if she finds herself where she cannot hurt something very effectively (desert stratum).  Diva is to capitalize on her speed as well as emphasize her turn manipulation role.  Magician isn't needed so much now since my character doesn't have as much of a mana problem as they used to.
Nazrin- Gambler.  She needs power to be able to kill enemies in one hit so she can get the next turn. 
Komachi- Healer.  Ironic that a Shinigami is a healer.  It's mostly to to make her self-sufficient as I can turn her respectable attack into healing for herself or allies (well mostly herself). 
Yuuka- Monk.  Helps with her issue with her bad speed as well as slow turns.  It also gives her att based spellcards since she has a freakishly huge attack growth for someone that only uses mag spellcards.  Not to mention ramping up speed rapidly with procing extra attack on puncturing thrust and that is on top of her Encounter with a Formidable foe.

[Axel Ryman]

Started to do some streaming of my speedrun progress. Today I did the Komachi battle up to Floor 6 Tenshi.


Hina was definitely the major hurdle though. Took me a while just to beat her. Came close at one point but I took a risk I shouldn't have. Making Wriggle tanky for that fight along with Poison stacking is the way to go.


For those who may want to watch the archived footage, you can find it here.
http://www.twitch.tv/axelryman/b/528604353

It's about 5 hours long.

[Ghaleon]

So today I explored some 12f-15f, beat yuyu, thought she was a joke, then realized I forgot to level down to 60 (I was at like remi 61 and everyone else higher cuz level faster but patchy who was also 61), leveled down to 60, and was still easy, yay. I thought she'd be a pain by deathing people with 100 resist but she didn't.

Then I went to the shining giant boss. It started the fight by using its aoe after its turn 1 buff, then proceeded to ratsetsu fist me like effing 9 times in a row.. was pretty effing hairy. Once I managed to survive that it wasn't a problem, not even after 50% because by then I had some def buffs up and it didn't spam ratsetsu fist more than twice in a row. Incidentally it seemed to miss occasionally, which says something cuz my Momiji only has like 40 dodge or something to that effect. I imagine if you crank up your tank's dodge for that fight you can do pretty well.

Then I remembered yuuka which I haven't bothered to do cuz those damn bushes. Found out I finally unlocked the last bush, set my level to 52 (oops, guess I forgot for a long time), and...she was way harder than wiki stated. Her heal nuke would heal for 25.4k or something like that. not 15k, furthermore it would buff all her stats by like 8% as well...and yeah, she spammed the ever living @#%@%# out of it sometimes. She also seemed to have some kind of physical attack that she liked tossing at my back. 1shot a few characters with it. Fortunately she couldn't do anything to reimu, momiji, remi, and minoruke (alice was somehow 1shot as well even with def buffs, hurr), so I just kept patiently pegging away at her hoping she'd stop healing herself for long enough, eventually she did and I had a pre-buffed up nitori and patchy to take care of her at the last stretch.

Now I'll have to deal with yukari/flan soon... eeek. They were always more trouble for me in lot1 than other people. I was always a cootie-suke is easy kinda guy.

edit: flan was no trouble, yukari took awhile but didn't even kill one person..but ended up dropping nothing other than the 2 gems for being level 66. So I reset and tried again and got a star of elle-whatever, cool, I'll take it. I tried to do eiki too but I don't have BP with komachi.. ARGH I HATE FARMING BP. At least you can see how many you have this time.

Also, am I supposed to have figured out how to get to the top leftish corner on 15 yet? The one with the dragon foe? I can't seem to figure out how to get to it, but the foe is such a joke I can't help but think I'm actually supposed to be there.

edit: nm, found out how to get to it, thought I jumped down that hole already and it dumped me off at the switch which modifies the temperature by 15.
Seems like the trash on floor 16 is way harder than previous ones, IIRC trash started getting much nastier much faster like 16 is for me now on floor 13 or 14 in lot1. I wish it didn't have those effing cubes still though. God they're annoying. I have nothing that can deal with them but rumia and it's a pain switching her in, dealing with a cube, and switching her back out before the next fight every damn time I see an effing cube.

[Dodging_Rain]

The Fire Stratrum was actually easy though I suspect it is because they are letting you focus more on the puzzle rather than random encounter.  It helps a lot if you have a cold AoE to take care of the floor (Patchy).  The cube isn't too much of a problem since I had an alternative sweeper in the form of Sakuya whose has piercing attack and one shot the cubes while being able to clear out  the other enemies (some are weak to wind even).  So I guess that run Memorized Knowledge gave you the most trouble but the others were relatively easy in comparison (for reference, Yukari gave me a little trouble and lost about 4-5 to her).  Also,, is it me or is the fact that you fought previous bosses in the past makes it easier this interval because they use similiar tactics last game?