Author Topic: Labyrinth of Touhou 2 -12F (Read 219467 times)

jaxter0987 · « **Reply #390 on:** March 28, 2014, 06:30:51 AM »

Quote from: Serela on March 27, 2014, 04:53:41 PM

I think if you want the SDM members to shine (as more than just "alright" party members) you need to be using several of them in your party of 12.

I accounted for this when I mentioned that making full use of character skills would get Patchy closer to how she was to LoT1, but Ghaleon was comparing her as a standalone character so I did just that. If anything, my synergy run showed me how powerful those kinds of skills are.

Having all SDM characters on the front line makes Patchy and Sakuya wreck face, and Remilia is no slouch either. Eientei characters makes Kaguya shine like no other, and Reisen becomes strong even without her self buff. Marisa gets a nice SPD buff from Alice and Alice gets a nice MAG buff from Marisa. The only synergy group that I haven't really been able to make full use of is Moriya Shrine. I've never really needed to make use of Suwako as a Nature nuke since I have Kaguya nor have I really made use of her Physical nuke since I have Remilia. And building her MAG is not useful since my team already has enough MAG based attackers.

Anyway, long story short, synergy skills are really strong. And all this talking finally made me stop my anime marathon and get back to finishing up post game content.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #391 on:** March 28, 2014, 06:47:45 AM »

I dumped cootie-suke like a hot potato because in my playthru/version..he DID need to be in the front 4 for his stuff to work. eff... that.. *dumped*.

Kirin no Sora · « **Reply #392 on:** March 28, 2014, 08:08:28 AM »

Quote from: jaxter0987 on March 28, 2014, 06:30:51 AM

I accounted for this when I mentioned that making full use of character skills would get Patchy closer to how she was to LoT1, but Ghaleon was comparing her as a standalone character so I did just that. If anything, my synergy run showed me how powerful those kinds of skills are.

Having all SDM characters on the front line makes Patchy and Sakuya wreck face, and Remilia is no slouch either. Eientei characters makes Kaguya shine like no other, and Reisen becomes strong even without her self buff. Marisa gets a nice SPD buff from Alice and Alice gets a nice MAG buff from Marisa. The only synergy group that I haven't really been able to make full use of is Moriya Shrine. I've never really needed to make use of Suwako as a Nature nuke since I have Kaguya nor have I really made use of her Physical nuke since I have Remilia. And building her MAG is not useful since my team already has enough MAG based attackers.

Anyway, long story short, synergy skills are really strong. And all this talking finally made me stop my anime marathon and get back to finishing up post game content.

And I still think of the fact that the game makers gave Suwako and Kanako each one skill that goes completely against their playstyles and whatnot, and I still get annoyed by it.

jaxter0987 · « **Reply #393 on:** March 28, 2014, 08:52:35 AM »

Quote from: Kirin no Sora on March 28, 2014, 08:08:28 AM

And I still think of the fact that the game makers gave Suwako and Kanako each one skill that goes completely against their playstyles and whatnot, and I still get annoyed by it.

At least you can make use of Suwako's skill by just switching out your tank when its safe for her to nuke something. Kanako's is literally useless since she should never be in the 4th slot anyway so she can make use of her bulkiness. I always thought this was a bug but I guess they actually meant for them to be this way.

Anyways, so I'm at the 14th Floor's Extra Area boss. What... the... hell.... am I supposed to do?

Spoiler:

I've tried for the past hour and I'm going to take a break before I have a go at it again.

Yookie · « **Reply #394 on:** March 28, 2014, 10:01:05 AM »

Yuuka does a number on it if you're lucky with extra attack and Suika as well since both have their respective execute passives as it seems to get faster the lower its health drops (but I guess you've already figured that it's weak to nature) and it is very vulnerable to shock so full speed Orin should be able to keep it in check somewhat.
Or have Mokou with Resurrection and one of the two (?) with Guts in the first two slots and hope they proc it all the time and it is nice with its targeting.
If you have none of those you can always pick your fastest two characters, give them the Shock Main equip and pray.

jaxter0987 · « **Reply #395 on:** March 28, 2014, 12:43:58 PM »

Quote from: Yookie on March 28, 2014, 10:01:05 AM

Yuuka does a number on it if you're lucky with extra attack and Suika as well since both have their respective execute passives as it seems to get faster the lower its health drops (but I guess you've already figured that it's weak to nature) and it is very vulnerable to shock so full speed Orin should be able to keep it in check somewhat.
Or have Mokou with Resurrection and one of the two (?) with Guts in the first two slots and hope they proc it all the time and it is nice with its targeting.
If you have none of those you can always pick your fastest two characters, give them the Shock Main equip and pray.

I gave Kaguya the item that sometimes makes the user deal double damage and prayed to the RNG. Also having Eiki and

Spoiler:

throw out Shock every now and then helped. Won this fight on pure luck... but oh well. I'd rather do that than cheese my way through with Diva.

Looking at the Bestiary, its also weak to Cold but its not like I had anyone that could have taken advantage of that.

Serela · « **Reply #396 on:** March 28, 2014, 02:21:04 PM »

Quote from: jaxter0987 on March 28, 2014, 08:52:35 AM

Kanako's is literally useless since she should never be in the 4th slot anyway so she can make use of her bulkiness.

Kanako -can- be decently durable, but if you don't encourage that in her build then she becomes frail enough that it doesn't really matter. Unless you really pushed her tankiness for some reason I don't see why you would ever put her in slot 2, and slot 3/4 aren't terribly different IMO now that LoT1-style row attacks are much rarer. (Suwako's is too weird to even bother with, poor Suwako, she doesn't seem much good this time around, unless Long-Arm-Long-Leg can do better than I thought with KeroKeroPower)

Also, Ghaleon, I'm still using Rinnosuke because high boosts are godly when maxed. It takes 30 points to max one, but it sends that stat higher than anyone else in your party probably has, so once you've got some levels he can be a stellar tank (and it just keeps getting better the more you have)

Just picked up Yuuka, she's vastly easier after the 1.20x patches. I remember before my party just got utterly destroyed by her even though they had basically the exact same library levels and equipment on. (She still wasn't easy, though, for sure) That or I'm stupid and never got my buffs up last time I guess. Man, Nitori's maintennance is too good, pump those resistances girl.

ZXNova · « **Reply #397 on:** March 28, 2014, 08:25:48 PM »

So I decided to look in one of the LoT2 notepads and noticed that one of the descriptions said "Master Spark", and by the description, it implied that it was Yuuka's.

Does Yuuka have a secret Master Spark skill that's unlockable? Or is this just leftover text for a skill that was never fully implemented?

EDIT

It's true, Rinnosuke gets godly stats with high boost. Though, you won't really be getting enough points to max out stats until basically late and post game. He is a decent tank during the early mid games though. Seriously though, high boost is godly. You should try high boost resistance, his resistances look so delicious, oh my god.

http://i.imgur.com/Wm7THFh.png

Right now I'm working on high boost in attack.

Kuilfrayt · « **Reply #398 on:** March 28, 2014, 09:51:19 PM »

Quote from: ZXNova on March 28, 2014, 08:25:48 PM

So I decided to look in one of the LoT2 notepads and noticed that one of the descriptions said "Master Spark", and by the description, it implied that it was Yuuka's.

Does Yuuka have a secret Master Spark skill that's unlockable? Or is this just leftover text for a skill that was never fully implemented?

It's a leftover, there is quite a lot of leftover stuff, though most of it disappeared with the new 1.2 patch.
There used to be a 22nd floor, a way to use a "Akyuu-sealed persuasion manual" to enlist a character in party (maybe hinting that they had Akyuu as a potential party member at some point), a way to upgrade your equipment, and more that were cut out in the end.

jaxter0987 · « **Reply #399 on:** March 29, 2014, 02:49:46 AM »

I went and beat the 16th Floor's Extra Area boss after a couple of tries and I moved on to the Strengthen Final Boss. Not asking for advice since I haven't tried the fight enough times yet, just some comments though I'll probably need advice in the near future.

Spoiler:

ZXNova · « **Reply #400 on:** March 29, 2014, 05:25:05 AM »

So I've beaten the first boss rush (the recommended levels are actually too high, it's way easier then what it made it seem) and now I see the strengthened bosses. What do I try to do first? What's a good place to grind levels post game?

Validon98 · « **Reply #401 on:** March 29, 2014, 05:58:57 AM »

Postgame grinding for me has just been the 20F pseudo-FOEs. Not even the enemies in the Extra sections will give you comparable experience.
As for which ones to do, do them in whatever order you want, really, just be careful. They're tough. :V

*is reminded he hasn't finished post-game, and wonders if he should be doing that over doing his Team 9 run*

jaxter0987 · « **Reply #402 on:** March 29, 2014, 08:45:22 AM »

Quote from: ZXNova on March 29, 2014, 05:25:05 AM

So I've beaten the first boss rush (the recommended levels are actually too high, it's way easier then what it made it seem) and now I see the strengthened bosses. What do I try to do first? What's a good place to grind levels post game?

The 20F area with the final boss in it is pretty much the only place you should be grinding. That said, you probably don't need to unless you're somehow under leveled for what you should do next. Exploring the extra areas should give you all the levels you need. You should be fighting every encounter you get in Labyrinth of Touhou anyway.

1. Go and beat the Strengthened Bosses. They'll be in the same locations as when you fought their original forms.
2. After that, you alternate between exploring the extra areas starting from 12F and challenging the 3 bosses needed to recruit

Spoiler:

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3. From there you'll be basically grinding to beat the extra area bosses, which will open on the Strengthened Final Boss.

After you beat all the Strengthened Bosses, the Strengthened Boss rush becomes available but you probably shouldn't attempt it until you're basically ready for the Strengthen Final Boss.

I just realized that I probably should start writing some boss fight notes for the 14th floor and 16th floor extra area bosses. I noticed that they weren't on the wiki when I was having trouble with them.

Dodging_Rain · « **Reply #403 on:** March 29, 2014, 06:07:48 PM »

I am having a bit of problem of late. This occurs infrequently but what happens is that the screen of the entire game. However the game is still taking place since I still hear the cursor sound when I his select, cancel or the arrow key. I am wondering if anyone else ran into this problem before.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #404 on:** March 30, 2014, 12:09:19 AM »

Quote from: Dodging_Rain on March 29, 2014, 06:07:48 PM

I am having a bit of problem of late. This occurs infrequently but what happens is that the screen of the entire game. However the game is still taking place since I still hear the cursor sound when I his select, cancel or the arrow key. I am wondering if anyone else ran into this problem before.

The screen of the entire game... Disco dances? Turns negative? Becomes ecchi 18+ during work hours?

Dodging_Rain · « **Reply #405 on:** March 30, 2014, 10:28:13 AM »

My apologies, it seems that part of my text got deleted for some reason. Here is what I mean to say.

I am having a bit of problem of late. This occurs infrequently but what happens is that the screen of the entire game freezes. However the game did not freeze and is still taking place since I still hear the cursor sound when I his select, cancel or the arrow key. I am wondering if anyone else ran into this problem before.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #406 on:** March 30, 2014, 04:54:01 PM »

If you were playing any other game i would suggest trying alt-enter to switch to full screen and back again but thats disabled in dis game =(

Koog · « **Reply #407 on:** March 31, 2014, 02:49:06 PM »

Quote from: jaxter0987 on March 29, 2014, 02:49:46 AM

I went and beat the 16th Floor's Extra Area boss after a couple of tries and I moved on to the Strengthen Final Boss. Not asking for advice since I haven't tried the fight enough times yet, just some comments though I'll probably need advice in the near future.
Spoiler:
So basically, lets give the final boss every annoying move you've seen the post game bosses use.
Remove all buffs? Check.
Switch around your frontline randomly? Check.
Shredding Amnesiari's move that damages max HP? Check.

Along with some new moves like healing every ally to full HP, and removing all status ailments and debuffs from allies. Man this is going to take a lot of learning...

I remember the final strengthen boss being a doom, but I don't remember the strategy since I'm now playing DoD

Spoiler:

TeemotheGent · « **Reply #408 on:** April 03, 2014, 02:31:15 PM »

Hey guys! I just had a quick question.. The Special Disk cheat table that I downloaded doesn't seem to work for me. I booted everything up and changed the addresses to "00010000" and what not, but the value is still shown as "??" and I can't activate anything or change the value. Does anybody know the solution for this? Also, if this has been answered before, I'm sorry for not looking hard enough.
Thanks in advance

Ghaleon · « **Reply #409 on:** April 03, 2014, 04:15:49 PM »

Quote from: TeemotheGent on April 03, 2014, 02:31:15 PM

Hey guys! I just had a quick question.. The Special Disk cheat table that I downloaded doesn't seem to work for me. I booted everything up and changed the addresses to "00010000" and what not, but the value is still shown as "??" and I can't activate anything or change the value. Does anybody know the solution for this? Also, if this has been answered before, I'm sorry for not looking hard enough.
Thanks in advance

You dont change them TO 0010000, you ADD that to what their address is.

That said it might not work still, iirc special disk borked up the cheat tables. You have to make your own. Use the tutorial, touhou labyrinth doesnt seem to use pointers though so you can stop at that point.

TeemotheGent · « **Reply #410 on:** April 03, 2014, 05:51:51 PM »

Quote from: Ghaleon on April 03, 2014, 04:15:49 PM

You dont change them TO 0010000, you ADD that to what their address is.

That said it might not work still, iirc special disk borked up the cheat tables. You have to make your own. Use the tutorial, touhou labyrinth doesnt seem to use pointers though so you can stop at that point.

The tutorial helped quite a bit. I've got everything figured out except item addresses. How would I go about getting to those?

qazmlpok · « **Reply #411 on:** April 03, 2014, 09:49:03 PM »

Equipping an item will reduce the count by 1, de-equipping it will then raise it by 1.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #412 on:** April 04, 2014, 01:08:17 AM »

Each item is 00000040 "away" from its neighbors too. So lets say you want to adjust the 8th item in page 5 but dont have any, but have the 5th item in page 5, you can find the address for that via how qaz mentioned, and then get the 8th item by adding 000000c0 to the address.

I think i was 00000040 anyway, might be off om that.

Axel Ryman · « **Reply #413 on:** April 04, 2014, 03:30:23 AM »

Quote from: Ghaleon on March 28, 2014, 06:47:45 AM

I dumped cootie-suke like a hot potato because in my playthru/version..he DID need to be in the front 4 for his stuff to work. eff... that.. *dumped*.

By stuff you mean....?

Serela · « **Reply #414 on:** April 04, 2014, 05:29:00 AM »

The gold/item drop boosts.

They changed them at some point.

Axel Ryman · « **Reply #415 on:** April 04, 2014, 05:29:54 AM »

Ouch....

Well that means I gotta do some route changing.

Serela · « **Reply #416 on:** April 04, 2014, 06:23:41 AM »

They doubled the strength of them at the same time, though.

Of course, after he reaches a decent level, it's too tempting to use everything else he has instead. Efficient Formation Change, atk/mag debuffs each time he takes a turn, and all of his godly high boosts are all just such amazing skills- and he also really desires some kind of actual skill to use on turns he doesn't switch as his naturals are wimpsauce without leveling.

Gadsu · « **Reply #417 on:** April 04, 2014, 04:21:23 PM »

About cookies i know also there was a loot at 100% on v1.200, down to 0% at v1.201 (seems to be a good item, but i don't know which one)

I started new game +, i beat the boss rush esilly, but the next step... I am still killed by F11 minions (party lv 130-140) they are lv 108/110, 2 sand storm down 3 of 4... (and i am on v1.203 btw)

And i will not say about F1 boss ~~ (i should maybe switch tanks from Tenshi to Kami-- Byakuren ~ )

But it's nice ~~ i went from F1 to F20 with a front line : tank / mage / mage / solo target , now seems i should boost HP/DEF for several characters to be safe and don't play like a full attack mode.

Remain me LoT 1 now, far better to try and build a strategy than going full attack and win ~

Kirin no Sora · « **Reply #418 on:** April 06, 2014, 06:00:19 AM »

Quote from: Serela on April 04, 2014, 05:29:00 AM

The gold/item drop boosts.

They changed them at some point.

Quote from: Serela on April 04, 2014, 06:23:41 AM

They doubled the strength of them at the same time, though.

Hold the phone, Serela. Are you saying that he can boost your chances of getting items by 80% now? Because his skill let him reach 40% at max level before hand...

Serela · « **Reply #419 on:** April 06, 2014, 01:58:44 PM »

Huh? Oh, I thought it was 20% and 10% before... I guess I'm just bad at remembering.