Author Topic: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Game Over! (Black Rose Thread)  (Read 28275 times)

Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #90 on: December 16, 2013, 12:57:32 AM »
i think hes scum but i havent read recent posts, i pulled an all nighter playing video games and cant really process mafia right now

Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #91 on: December 16, 2013, 02:17:00 AM »
Well BT is totes lame for wagoning on me both D2 and D3 B( Especially on D3 with scum!BBM being the counterwagon.

That said, the only reason I have to lynch BT over SB is that huh what got a vanilla result on SB, so idk.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #92 on: December 16, 2013, 02:26:49 AM »
one thing I don't get is why scum wouldn't just kill off Prims if Prims is town.  then kill off Rou after.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #93 on: December 16, 2013, 02:33:06 AM »
No comment on the hilarious Legend of Zelda game.

Reasons to lynch BT over SB would be, possibly more likely to be scum, plus push on Shadoweh reads disingenuous and the back and forth pretty much reminds me of the endgame of C7D. Anyway I'm pretty sure the entire case on Shadoweh falls apart when you look at the N2 kills and say, would scum!Shadoweh make these kills (I know, pro argument).

I'll be looking at BBM interactions shortly, the rest of you are all lazy bums. Prims, what about this game reminds you of Disgaea!BT as opposed to other games when he trailed off and was town; also wondering at which point you changed your mind on him since yesterday you were so sure of BT town that you brushed off Shadoweh's post on him with "lmao"? SB, what's your opinion of BT, you should get on that seeing as a bunch of people are calling you scum with him? BT, what's your opinion on Prims independent of Shadoweh interactions?

Also could someone explain this strongman + bbm/dan that bt and dan are holding against sb because it's not parsing to me. Recall that Rou was also talking about BBM/Prims/Dan at one point yesterday.


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #94 on: December 16, 2013, 02:35:18 AM »
one thing I don't get is why scum wouldn't just kill off Prims if Prims is town.  then kill off Rou after.
Why would scum kill off Prims if he is town? It's not like Rou or me are more lynchable and Prims wouldn't be a role threat since he can't even technically confirm himself 100%.


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #95 on: December 16, 2013, 02:36:26 AM »
Polly is your main reason you're pushing SB his reaction to the vig claim?


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #96 on: December 16, 2013, 02:44:56 AM »
Prims, what about this game reminds you of Disgaea!BT as opposed to other games when he trailed off and was town; also wondering at which point you changed your mind on him since yesterday you were so sure of BT town that you brushed off Shadoweh's post on him with "lmao"?
dont recall games where he trailed off as town
i changed my mind n3, hindsight made me realize he stopped doing anything and usually when somebody who looks town for putting in effort stops putting in effort for no apparent reason it's suspicious as hell

Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #97 on: December 16, 2013, 03:03:00 AM »
Polly is your main reason you're pushing SB his reaction to the vig claim?

well my "main" reasoning is poe and gut, but that's basically the reasoning for maybe 90% of all votes I've ever made lol. the vig claim reaction really stood out to me, though.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #98 on: December 16, 2013, 03:03:04 AM »
rou could be killed the next night. 

Prims result kinda says that SB prolly isn't mafia if true.  so.

Eh. nvm about it I guess

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #99 on: December 16, 2013, 05:05:53 AM »
Literally Stabbing The Only Person That Ever Legitimately Cared About You In The Back Like A Boss Vote Count

Serious Bananas (1): Polaris
BT (2): Prims, Raikaria
Prims (1): Serious Bananas
Shadoweh (1): BT

Not voting (3): Shadoweh, ActionDan, Conqueror

With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch. You have a little over 43 hours remaining.
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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #100 on: December 16, 2013, 05:41:00 AM »
BBM's posts weren't very useful. I guess it'd be good to know, does BBM have a history of soft-bussing his buddies?


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #101 on: December 16, 2013, 05:59:00 AM »
ISOs were pretty worthless too.
Things that would be nice to know.
Polaris, why didn't you care about BBM on Day 2?
Prims, did you have a basis for your BBM gutread and how good are you at reading him usually? Also, what was with the d2 godfather spec?
SB, when did you flip to thinking bbm was scum yesterday?



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Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #102 on: December 16, 2013, 06:49:34 AM »
b/c I didn't think he deserved to be lynched. Pretty much everyone was in a state of demotivation so I kinda attributed everything to that. (Like I said before, I thought Serela was worse than BBM but I also thought Serela was town so that was basically my thought process for not caring about BBM.)

Conq who do you even want to lynch today, because I really can't tell.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #103 on: December 16, 2013, 07:30:04 AM »
that is a good question, the answer to which i will probably figure out tomorrow

my professional mafia instincts say bt though.


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #104 on: December 16, 2013, 07:42:20 AM »
Do you have anything to say to BT, considering he will proabbly be around while you're asleep?


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #105 on: December 16, 2013, 07:49:51 AM »
i guess in addition to what i said above, why bbm/shadoweh/sb would ever make sense
also bbm's drop of shadoweh that bt pointed out to be a scumbuddy interaction doesnt fit because the alternate wagon was bbm, who was probably the scum steroid role. in that case why wouldnt he distance harder by pushing on shadoweh?


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #106 on: December 16, 2013, 07:50:44 AM »
shadowert who is your Preferred Lynch?


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #107 on: December 16, 2013, 07:52:28 AM »
i guess in addition to what i said above, why bbm/shadoweh/sb would ever make sense
also bbm's drop of shadoweh that bt pointed out to be a scumbuddy interaction doesnt fit because the alternate wagon was bbm, who was probably the scum steroid role. in that case why wouldnt he distance harder by pushing on shadoweh?
forgot to finish my thought
the really lame drop of shadoweh plus the weird move to dan followed by a lulzy claim convinces me that bbm at that point was just trying to lay on the wifom


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #108 on: December 16, 2013, 09:35:05 AM »
I think BT is the obvious lynch. It's kind of problematic for my theory that SB came back vanilla though. I don't know what that means and it bothers me.

I thin BBM dropped me because he didn't like it when I bit back. :>


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #109 on: December 16, 2013, 06:24:47 PM »
Reasons to lynch BT over SB would be, possibly more likely to be scum, plus push on Shadoweh reads disingenuous and the back and forth pretty much reminds me of the endgame of C7D. Anyway I'm pretty sure the entire case on Shadoweh falls apart when you look at the N2 kills and say, would scum!Shadoweh make these kills (I know, pro argument).
Well okay, I've been proven to be as charismatic as a rock with back-and-forths over the years, but what felt fake to you? Also what about the N2 kills? They don't sway me one way or another. If you really want to get into these sort of arguments, I would have no reason to specifically keep pushing Shadoweh right now unless I actually thought she was scum. Scum agenda would be to open up other options instead of digging a hole.

I've been delaying Serious Rereads for days. Maybe I'll do something right now.

BBM would have no reason to distance harder. The fact that the Shadoweh was suddenly considered a-OK was probably a godsend they didn't want to lay a finger on, no reason to continue the push anyway. I mean it probably would've taken some solid reasoning or else it woud just look like obvious distancing.

SB/BBM/Shadoweh would make sense, despite SB's early bussing. That is to say it doesn't feel that amazing but it's a definite possibility.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #110 on: December 16, 2013, 07:48:42 PM »
If you really want to get into these sort of arguments, I would have no reason to specifically keep pushing Shadoweh right now unless I actually thought she was scum. Scum agenda would be to open up other options instead of digging a hole.
Could easily be doing it for various reasons, including focusing on Shadoweh will allow you to avoid giving detailed reads on SB/Prims/Polaris who are much more likely to be scum (I'm more interested in these reads, although you're welcome to continue this Shadoweh thing if you're absolutely sure that's the way to go), for the "why would I do this as town" aspect, because you think you have a good angle to ~*open up an option*~ with the Shadoweh lynch, etc. My main issue with your case (as for what feels fake about it) is that it holds fine if you're evaluating it purely objectively from say, a person who is given three statements and asked to make a conclusion from them, but I don't think it fits in the overall narrative.

Also, I just read your case over again in case I was missing something and now I'm just more confused. What's the scum benefit in wavering on BBM's claim but not putting forward a viable alternative (I don't think she ever voiced support of the Polaris lynch). As for the BBM wagon being already defined by the time people took notice of it and people generally ignoring BBM, that applies to practically everyone here except Dan and maybe Polaris. Yeah, BBM dropping Shadoweh is ~*funky*~, but so are his interactions with you, Prims, Polly, SB, etc. The "rolespeccing too hard" angle doesn't make any sense no matter how many times I read over it. "Strongman makes no sense in this setup yet there probably was a strongman." So scum!Shadoweh thought it would be a good idea to hint town on what her scumteam's powers were? And if Shadoweh!scum knew of a mafia strongman as this theory goes, then what's the point of the doc protect wifom (which looked hella sketchy to me even though i knew it's something shadoweh would do as town >_>). Explain what this means: "It doesn't make sense that she'd read the situation like this unless she knew Rou wouldn't be a big factor."

Fine, let's talk about the N2 kills. Why were Serela and Raikaria killed instead of everyone else? Threat level? Correct reads? PX is PR hunting? Or because there were no other options? Anyway, look at the games with Shadoweh!scum in them (I guess I'll go over them in a bit); she usually targets or pushes for people who are threats to her or otherwise strong town leaders. Serela kill can be explained away as a pr kill I guess but again, why Raikaria over BT or Prims? Regardless of the implications for BT/Prims, I'm pretty sure any team with Shadoweh on it wouldn't have gone for the Raikaria kill over someone else. This is admittedly based on ~*nightkill meta*~ but it's only a small pebble from the big bunch of rocks of Why Shadoweh is Town that I think you're ignoring.

I'll continue this when I have more time, gtg/


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #111 on: December 16, 2013, 07:49:13 PM »
*why would i do this as scum aspect


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #112 on: December 16, 2013, 08:21:12 PM »
If this makes more sense, the way you present your case on Shadoweh is like a cop looking for a small medium at large in a grade-school classroom - a cop who picks out some unlucky kid, points out that they are short, and thus accuses them of being the convict.


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #113 on: December 16, 2013, 09:16:20 PM »
prododge.

been busy

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #114 on: December 16, 2013, 10:44:06 PM »
Prims, did you have a basis for your BBM gutread and how good are you at reading him usually? Also, what was with the d2 godfather spec?
I read BBM correctly more than not but it's not like 100%. I also rarely am town in games where he's scum I think?

Gut read was because he didn't seem offended by Rou's case on him D2 like I'd expect him to be as scum.

I still want to just lynch BT, I think his push on Shadoweh is comparable to what Dan said about SB pushing Dan/Prims. The way Shadoweh treated flipped scum is more important than the way flipped scum treated Shadowh for judging alignment imo.

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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #115 on: December 16, 2013, 10:44:32 PM »
##Unvote
##Vote: BT


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Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #116 on: December 16, 2013, 10:46:23 PM »
see the dead guy agrees with me :colbert: when are dead guys ever wrong???

Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #117 on: December 16, 2013, 10:49:13 PM »
Also vanilla scum is plausible if you believe that Serela disabled his own ability by claiming the ability and was just trying really hard to sound like he didn't. Which probably happened.

Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #118 on: December 16, 2013, 10:54:35 PM »
oh right uhhh godfather spec

I knew you had a role, it didn't sound like Godfather but theoretically Kilga could just give scum some other role and slap a Godfather modifier on it. Going by posts though I don't think you're scum because you could just coast to victory without even trying if you wanted.

Re: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Day 4 (Black Rose Thread)
« Reply #119 on: December 16, 2013, 10:57:31 PM »
Also vanilla scum is plausible if you believe that Serela disabled his own ability by claiming the ability and was just trying really hard to sound like he didn't. Which probably happened.
actually this doesn't matter because Shadoweh's theory was that Poisoner/Strongman were in the same role anyway... which means SB being scanned vanilla doesn't mess with her theory... Did I miss something ???