Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Game Over! (Black Rose Thread)

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

was there really anything for the dead people to reveal here that was beneficial to the scum, though?

[Polaris]

yeah I figured that if huh what really was a name cop then it made a lot of sense to have a vanilla mafia to counter that. but this is kind of yet again circular reasoning since it assumes huh what is town and explains everything relative to that.

clearly if Kilga had let me ##check ##LEARN ROLE NAME AND ALSO BECOME IMMUNE TO IT like i tried to do on N3 then the game would totally have gone in town's favor

[Shadoweh]

maybe the fact that Kilga wouldn't let you check a certain action should have been a clue it maybe doesn't exist >.>
NOT THAT I'M MAD OR ANYTHING
Now I know how Hero999 feels ;___;

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

cant wait for shadowehs kaori reenactment next time she rolls scum

i mean i already did mine d1 - d2 of this game

[ActionDan]

objectively the chance of scum rolecopping us both were low.  was sad because HW was scum on play :/

[Shadoweh]

I did a pretty good Kaori reenactment myself for Day 1 and 2 >_> I was in some kinda slump and reading mafia just wasn't taking. Like writer's block, except for reading a post and comprehending a single thing about it. I'm only glad I started realposting before Conq replaced in so I can say with honesty it was real effort all on my own to try. I'm honestly not sure if I'm up for more mafia still, but I feel a hell of a lot better about it after this.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

yeah i had that both here and in a concurrent town game that started shortly after on sf, which is why i mentioned wanting to stop playing after this.

also: dan and irc-px giving themselves back-pats about how my play was soooo scummy are being dumb as heck, you guys contributed to the town loss too. like, if you lose you lose. it's silly how whenever motktown loses they need to talk about how THEY knew who the scum were when you never see scum try to justify themselves after losing as scum.

tl;dr stop taking away from my gloating


e: sorry if i'm being kind of an ass calling people out, but i dunno, it's just not fun to win a game and have people try to devalue your victory

[Shadoweh]

Oh boy dis graveyard.

Sky Paladin, I.. honestly don't remember much about your lynch. You should consider that 2 out of the 3 people you were accusing of being scum for wanting you to explain your actions were well, super townie people. If they were scum, like BBM, they wouldn't really care what explanation you gave. Whether you were justified in holding back or not, consider that townies are very likely to interpret you being coy as suspicious, especially on Day 1, and seek to lynch you for it.

[Sky_Paladin]

It's okay.  It was foolish of me to think that scum meta that would apply in another gamestate would automatically apply here.  I didn't communicate it effectively either.

I'll lick my wounds and reconsider my strategy for the next battle. 

[Raikaria]

It's okay.  It was foolish of me to think that scum meta that would apply in another gamestate would automatically apply here.  I didn't communicate it effectively either.

I'll lick my wounds and reconsider my strategy for the next battle.

Well; at least you seem to understand now.

Because honestly if it wasn't for that post I wouldn't be allowing you into my game; and would probobly be pushing for a card; since I am still of the opinion you were playing highly Anti-Town as a Townie. Which violates the 'Play to Win' rule.

But since you seem to understand your mistake now; it's cool. [Not to mention it sounds and sounded like in-game that you were seriously trying something completely different out] Just don't play like that again; please Q_Q. I dislike leading lynches on townies when I'm town. Evenmore so when the townie was the scummiest person there.

Also I apologise for my general attitude and aggression towards people; I may have followed previous advice a little too literally about asserting myself.

Also felt good when BT flipped scum after tunneling me literally all game. Shame my 'Shadoweh is strange' senses were wrong tho.

[FinnKaenbyou]

So, that happened.

Really not sure why people have me down for Town MVP if I'm going to be totally honest. I was wrong on pushing Sky, wrong on pushing Dan, wrong on pushing PX and wrong on pushing Polly. The only scum I made a case against was BBM but I came very close to letting Serela scare me off that wagon onto Polly instead. The one thing I did right was save bofh which led to the creation of Conq the magnificent, which was really all based on him being bofh rather than a good read. Hell I am partially suspicious you guys are being sarcastic V: Seriously though, Conq for MVP.

As for the people saying I should come back and play more...honestly, I really don't want to. The long and short of it is that I just don't find Mafia fun anymore. I'd forgotten just how worked up and emotional I got when I played Mafia, which contributed to both my freakout at Alice on D3 and my explosion at Serela in the graveyard. Mafia sort of tends to my angry, violent instincts, and I keep using it as an excuse to beat myself up. In short I suspect playing more of the game would have poor results for my mental health. >.>

That's about all I have to say, really. Other than, y'know, ALICE WHY

[Mitsuki]

I didn't follow this game properly, but the rules and the discussion between Paladin and Raikaria about "dying for the town's cause" (which, from an external point of view, was hilarious) made me think that Paladin was a jesus. Then Raikaria died and he was the actual jesus.

Raikaria was a bit too agressive and produced a whole lot of fake content scum took advantadge of. I think his attitude overall is better than before though.

I'm glad to see my scumreads were more-or-less right~

[BT]

clearly if Kilga had let me ##check ##LEARN ROLE NAME AND ALSO BECOME IMMUNE TO IT like i tried to do on N3 then the game would totally have gone in town's favor

Interesting. I probably would have let it go through, or I guess it would depend on how I wanted the role to work.

objectively the chance of scum Roleclopping us both were low.  was sad because HW was scum on play :/

That's why I said that one line about spec clears being lame in the graveyard. It's completely coincidental, so it kind of sucks for it to be such a big factor.

Meh, Conq is town MVP, he probably would have been confirmed town without Rou's clear too. Town subs are too good. Scum MVP is miracle worker huhwhat for pulling this off.

Mitsuki: Rai was a-ok because he was obvious despite the weird content. Evident by how D2 went.

[SB]

yeah i had that both here and in a concurrent town game that started shortly after on sf, which is why i mentioned wanting to stop playing after this.

also: dan and irc-px giving themselves back-pats about how my play was soooo scummy are being dumb as heck, you guys contributed to the town loss too. like, if you lose you lose. it's silly how whenever motktown loses they need to talk about how THEY knew who the scum were when you never see scum try to justify themselves after losing as scum.

tl;dr stop taking away from my gloating


e: sorry if i'm being kind of an ass calling people out, but i dunno, it's just not fun to win a game and have people try to devalue your victory

But I knew you were scum ;_;

And yeah Conq MVP.

[DNAbc]

Its funny how for two consecutive games town voted during effing lylo without listening to the lychees opinion.

[Mitsuki]

Mitsuki: Rai was a-ok because he was obvious despite the weird content. Evident by how D2 went.

My point is that scum could take advantadge of what he did, not that he was scummy. (I suspected him, yeah, but that's a whole different matter)

[Shadoweh]

Really not sure why people have me down for Town MVP if I'm going to be totally honest. I was wrong on pushing Sky, wrong on pushing Dan, wrong on pushing PX and wrong on pushing Polly. The only scum I made a case against was BBM but I came very close to letting Serela scare me off that wagon onto Polly instead. The one thing I did right was save bofh which led to the creation of Conq the magnificent, which was really all based on him being bofh rather than a good read. Hell I am partially suspicious you guys are being sarcastic V: Seriously though, Conq for MVP.

No one is being sarcastic. Conq got to replace in confirmed, you had to look townie from the start. You gave the town organization. Faulting your reads is meh because literally no one was reading the scum as scum until Day 3. I mean, you didn't hit scum but you were narrowing down the chaff so the scum could be found. I'm sorry that I'm not congratulating you on leading us to victory, but that part was out of your hands.

Ps to BT: I don't like bagging on your play, I just like needling people I think are scum so they'll act crazy. The callback to GHW was just there and I had to take it okay

[SB]

People should listen to dead townies more.

[BT]

My point is that scum could take advantadge of what he did, not that he was scummy. (I suspected him, yeah, but that's a whole different matter)

Mm, yeah, I'm just saying it could have been much worse.

Ps to BT: I don't like bagging on your play, I just like needling people I think are scum so they'll act crazy. The callback to GHW was just there and I had to take it okay

I generally don't have a problem with this, actually. I mean, the scumbag had the gall to vote you, right? How dare they?

People should listen to dead townies more.

This game wasn't a good example. Only, like, the Conq kill works here, and that was pretty forced. Yeah they should have listened to you though.

[Vhaltz]

People should listen to dead townies more.

This. I didn't really like SB's lynch altogether because PoE lynching late in the game is lazy.

I'm probably biased though, since I thought SB was obvtown and I was pretty convinced that Prims was scum by page 3.

[Shadoweh]

This. I didn't really like SB's lynch altogether because PoE lynching late in the game is lazy.
I'm probably biased though, since I thought SB was obvtown and I was pretty convinced that Prims was scum by page 3.

The thing about saying SB was lynched via PoE is HE WAS CONFIRMED TOWN VIA PRIMS
I would have said 'how was huh what planning to deal with confirming too many townies' but apparently the answer is to just lynch them anyways >_>

[ActionDan]

yeah i had that both here and in a concurrent town game that started shortly after on sf, which is why i mentioned wanting to stop playing after this.

also: dan and irc-px giving themselves back-pats about how my play was soooo scummy are being dumb as heck, you guys contributed to the town loss too. like, if you lose you lose. it's silly how whenever motktown loses they need to talk about how THEY knew who the scum were when you never see scum try to justify themselves after losing as scum.

tl;dr stop taking away from my gloating


e: sorry if i'm being kind of an ass calling people out, but i dunno, it's just not fun to win a game and have people try to devalue your victory

>_>

[ActionDan]

yeah let's not try to put words in my mouth.

congrats on your victory.

[Kilgamayan]

The thing about saying SB was lynched via PoE is HE WAS CONFIRMED TOWN VIA PRIMS

When did this happen?

[Shadoweh]

He "confirmed him as vanilla" in a game where the scum obviously weren't vanillas. Look, I know you said you would obviously have a scum vanillamiller if that role really existed, but one, getting someone's rolename isn't as 'bad' an effect as an alignment tell, two, considering the cop had two false miller devices but 3/4 scum didn't have any funky name including the other scum that claimed vanilla it didn't seem like immunity to the namecop was on scum's mind, and three you usually take your own role a little more seriously when you use it to 'totes confirm' someone.

Ugh stupid game with its WORDS and SENSIBLE THINGS
Edit: Basically, I'd believe you would give him a name like 'Happy Townie Guy Who Is Not Scum', not make him appear as Vanilla to something that doesn't confirm alignments.

[SB]

The setup didn't really make sense for a vanilla to be scum, and BBM's role only messed with alignments, not role names, which was another point against Prims.

[Kilgamayan]

I try to treat all informational roles as if town will try to use them as alignment detectors when designing setups. It doesn't always happen successfully, but I can promise that, had town been given a namecop, at least one scum would have been given passive immunity to it.

[Cheez8]

Edit: I also should have realized that not getting anything from my role meant that nothing was happening as opposed to me not using my role correctly wow

Pretty much. I didn't really know which one of you two was scum but I knew for sure it was either you or Prims.

Also can I just say that Prims played super-well this round? That fake claim was pretty ingenious, to the point where if I had to choose I probably would have thought Polaris was the last mafia guy.

Also thank you Conq for making this game a lot more interesting than I would have made it with my endless waffles


...reading some more... What's with all the people being so offended or emotionally exhausted from playing Mafia? I thought hoped the stuff in Kilga's plot was supposed to be overly petty on purpose as a joke. Sure, playing mafia takes a huge amount of effort, but it's a game that you play to have fun and you really shouldn't ACTUALLY be angry about things that happen during the game. Especially not towards other people because then you're making other people angry too.

This was a game. Games are meant to be fun, not to spread negativity. 

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Games are meant to be fun

[Cheez8]

Fair enough I guess.

Well whatever, I already know I enjoy enjoying myself more than I enjoy not enjoying myself so it doesn't actually matter that much to me