Author Topic: Revolutionary Girl Utena Mafia - Night 3 (Student Council Thread) (Read 51091 times)

Shadoweh · « **Reply #720 on:** December 13, 2013, 02:36:44 AM »

Quote from: Prims on December 13, 2013, 01:22:20 AM

Serela are you fucking kidding me.

BBM's claim is a scum claim. No, Kilga isn't putting in a buffed 1-shot cop when we already have the slowcop, and even if he did there's no valid reason for BBM to hold his shot back this many phases. It screams "I'm scum, please leave me alive one more night so I can use my role". Serious, you've done this exact same thing as scum not once but twice.

I admit the fact that it's Serela's plan makes me hesitant to go through with it. Sorry Serela ilu!

Serela · « **Reply #721 on:** December 13, 2013, 02:44:14 AM »

KYUUBEY WAS SO CLOSE

BUT SO FAR ;_;

Kilgamayan · « **Reply #722 on:** December 13, 2013, 02:56:59 AM »

Ripping Your Own Symbolic Vagina Off Your Chest Like a Boss Vote Count

bofh (0): Polaris
ActionDan (0): Roukan, BigBangMeteor
Shadoweh (2): Prims, Polaris, BigBangMeteor, Serious Bananas, BT
Polaris (1): Serela
BigBangMeteor (5): ActionDan, Polaris, Shadoweh, Roukan, Prims

Not voting (1): BigBangMeteor, Conqueror

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. You have about 20.5 hours to vote.

BigBangMeteor is at L-1!

To whoever asked, *YLO will be announced, yes.

BigBangMeteor · « **Reply #723 on:** December 13, 2013, 03:09:39 AM »

Prims, do you get only rolename or the entire role?

BigBangMeteor · « **Reply #724 on:** December 13, 2013, 03:42:35 AM »

A bunch of people are like "hey if we don't lynch BBM we should do X" but are not actually saying whether or not they want to lynch me today. Such as Shadoweh.

Prims didn't respond fast enough, so I scrolled up and saw that he gets only rolename. That seems kind of shitty considering rolenames don't really seem to say much about role. Mine is Hotshot and Conq's is apparently Caffienator?

BigBangMeteor · « **Reply #725 on:** December 13, 2013, 03:46:58 AM »

Basically considering it's so shitty, the extra nerf that makes it so that Prims becomes immune to the roles of people he targets seems kind of weird. Gonna guess that Prims is SCUM ROLECOP but wanted to make the claim more wacky to be in line with the roles that town seems to have.

Also you guys do realize that if I was scum I could self-hammer right now and screw Serela over right?

Serela · « **Reply #726 on:** December 13, 2013, 03:52:16 AM »

There's reasons scum wouldn't self-hammer, too, though, (like you having a cool role they want to use again) so going down that path isn't the best line of argument.

Also I don't get how you consider it an extra "nerf" when becoming immune to people's roles is usually more of a buff then a nerf. I mean, you don't want to be immune to the town cop (as town), but apart from that...

Anyway i'unno I don't really see actual reasons to think Prims is scum. I think he's town and that's been true for most of the game.

BigBangMeteor · « **Reply #727 on:** December 13, 2013, 03:56:02 AM »

I'm not saying that I'm town because I'm not self-hammering, I'm saying that it's not smart for the town to leave someone (me or anyone else) at L-1 for an extended period of time because as soon as they decide that they're not going to get out of the lynch, they can just self-hammer.

Serela · « **Reply #728 on:** December 13, 2013, 03:59:41 AM »

yeah I kinda wanted to complain at someone to unvote you but I forgot.

Serela · « **Reply #729 on:** December 13, 2013, 04:00:32 AM »

I was more thinking about stuff like SkyPal's scum quickhammer from last game though then a self-hammer because obviously as town you shouldn't be self-hammering when I'm holding your lynch hostage >_>

BigBangMeteor · « **Reply #730 on:** December 13, 2013, 04:01:53 AM »

You're more likely to target town roles than mafia roles just based on numbers. You can't get inspected by the Cop after targeting them, can't get protected by the Doc after targeting them, can't have whatever Conq can do to people done to you after targeting him, etc. In return, maybe you target the scum Hooker and can't get roleblocked anymore, but other than that there's nothing that important that the mafia has other than the kill, which isn't part of the role. It's a nerf that seems totally unnecessary and tacked on.

That's why I said "if I'm scum", Serela.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #731 on:** December 13, 2013, 04:03:28 AM »

Quote from: BigBangMeteor on December 13, 2013, 03:46:58 AM

Gonna guess that Prims is SCUM Roleclop but wanted to make the claim more wacky to be in line with the roles that town seems to have.

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GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #732 on:** December 13, 2013, 04:04:49 AM »

"Becoming immune to a scum roleblocker and a scum poisoner is a nerf" - bbm

Also, name cop is hardly weak if a scum PR claims vanilla, or vise versa.

Conqueror · « **Reply #733 on:** December 13, 2013, 04:12:24 AM »

Quote from: Prims on December 12, 2013, 04:28:34 AM

Conq, if you have a targeting role, target me tonight.

Explain this in light of your claim, Prims.

ActionDan · « **Reply #734 on:** December 13, 2013, 04:34:00 AM »

##unvote

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #735 on:** December 13, 2013, 04:34:59 AM »

It proves my role

Shadoweh · « **Reply #736 on:** December 13, 2013, 06:50:39 AM »

Quote from: BigBangMeteor on December 13, 2013, 03:42:35 AM

A bunch of people are like "hey if we don't lynch BBM we should do X" but are not actually saying whether or not they want to lynch me today. Such as Shadoweh.

Prims didn't respond fast enough, so I scrolled up and saw that he gets only rolename. That seems kind of shitty considering rolenames don't really seem to say much about role. Mine is Hotshot and Conq's is apparently Caffienator?

You could say I've been burned by fake vigs before. I'm also ongoing games a bunch of ongoing games elsewhere and roles kind of make me want to punch people now. I'm thinking about which of the other ones would make the best second lynch choice. Maybe if BT was posting I'd have a better idea of that. I think he's asleep though.

Conqueror · « **Reply #737 on:** December 13, 2013, 06:52:37 AM »

Quote from: Prims on December 13, 2013, 04:34:59 AM

It proves my role

You genuinely thought it was a good idea for me to waste my role on you to prove your role?

Shadoweh · « **Reply #738 on:** December 13, 2013, 07:00:29 AM »

Conq, as the voice of reason, what do you want to do here? I'm starting to feel headachey again and I'm really bad at finding new direction when the focus of my case decides to claim Dontlynchme.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #739 on:** December 13, 2013, 07:13:43 AM »

Quote from: Conqueror on December 13, 2013, 06:52:37 AM

You genuinely thought it was a good idea for me to waste my role on you to prove your role?

when you word it like that it doesn't sound well-thought-out but based on the pre-existing claims + your weird role name I assumed your role was similarly weak and that it wouldn't be a big deal

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #740 on:** December 13, 2013, 07:40:08 AM »

fck you conq im town

Polaris · « **Reply #741 on:** December 13, 2013, 07:40:45 AM »

Ultimately I still want to lynch BBM. Leaving my vote where it is. I'll try to check in before deadline if there's going to be a wagon switch or something, but like last time, I dunno if I'll be able to. Good night.

Conqueror · « **Reply #742 on:** December 13, 2013, 07:42:03 AM »

yeah it's fairly weak but it's not like the rolename shows that all that well; for all you knew i coulda been a motivator or something

shadoweh I have discovered that I'm super decisive when I'm reading along but when I'm actually playing I devolve into a pile of Serelas held together only by inertia

tbh my gut is kinda wavering but logic says bbm's claim is full of holes (and logic usually serves me better than gut when it comes to role stuff), plus i dont like how his point by point cases from previous days have now devolved to prims/sb and one of shadoweh/polaris are scum. I mean it's a fair conclusion if you're going ~*poe*~ i guess but I want to hear him talk more about that because the rest of his play has been talking about role stuff
A point in his favour is that he didn't self-hammer.

I'm pretty sure we need to finish massclaim if we want to get anywhere with setup speculation.

My gut is screaming at me to lynch Prims for role shenanigans and also not sounding terribly enthusiastic about mafia (prims usually sounds like he has a lot more fun when he's playing town) plus his push on Shadoweh seems contrived but on the other hand I dunno there was Adorable Mafia where I was 100% convinced he was scum making up shit and he was town.

cut by a post reading my mind THIS TOTALLY PROVES IT

tl;dr mafia is hard. Massclaim should finish so BBM's role is better to evaluate. I need to actually finish that BT reread; I'll have time before deadline tomorrow.

Conqueror · « **Reply #743 on:** December 13, 2013, 07:44:16 AM »

Quote from: Conqueror on December 13, 2013, 01:57:55 AM

BBM, do you have a history of trying to play the hero? Asking people to wait for an extra shot when there's no guarantee there would be an extra shot, waiting to use what is basically a modified one-shot cop until later in endgame where it's likely that 1) the drawback will come into effect or 2) you'll be too dead to use the power...

BBM needs to respond to this though; maybe he missed it?

Conqueror · « **Reply #744 on:** December 13, 2013, 07:48:21 AM »

Prims what's your current guess for the scumteam since you've come around to BBM scum?

BigBangMeteor · « **Reply #745 on:** December 13, 2013, 07:51:54 AM »

I don't need to play the hero because I am the hero.

On a serious note, the drawback takes effect no matter when I used my role and lasts for the rest of the game, so the chances of the drawback occurring only decrease the longer I wait for the shot. FMPOV I know I'm town and hopefully if I shoot scum that'll prove it to you guys. So that's why I'm asking people to give me a phase.

Yeah I know I haven't been doing much today. Another game I was playing in was in a super critical phase just now. Then I lost after almost stealing a win so now I'm bummed.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #746 on:** December 13, 2013, 07:54:49 AM »

Conq: I don't know. People trying to guess the scumteam with no flips are dumb in general even in a situation like this. Remind me to quote this postgame because it's real talk.

I can't imagine lynching anybody outside Polly/BT/SB if BBM is maf though.

Also I'm not having fun with mafia in general right now, like I said I realized I didn't actually want to play after joining but did anyway because Kilga game with Utena theme. Probably a dumb decision on my part and I'm probably taking a break after this and my SF game. Oh well.

Conqueror · « **Reply #747 on:** December 13, 2013, 07:57:30 AM »

Quote from: BigBangMeteor on December 13, 2013, 07:51:54 AM

On a serious note, the drawback takes effect no matter when I used my role and lasts for the rest of the game, so the chances of the drawback occurring only decrease the longer I wait for the shot. FMPOV I know I'm town and hopefully if I shoot scum that'll prove it to you guys. So that's why I'm asking people to give me a phase.

My point was that if you prove your role or use it early, it's less likely that the drawback would have become relevant. If you wait until endgame to use it, then you're basically gambling whereas if you use it early there's enough buffer for TOWN WIN or NIGHTKILL or other role shenanigans to negate the drawback.
The longer you wait, this means, that a) you don't prove your role and b) in the event that you're suspected enough that you want to prove it it becomes too dangerous as you're describing.

Additionally, who would you even shoot?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #748 on:** December 13, 2013, 08:02:34 AM »

Quote from: Conqueror on December 13, 2013, 07:42:03 AM

for all you knew i coulda been a motivator or something

this was actually my second guess (My first guess was insomniacmaker who idled N1 and N2 because bofh flaked and I was half right

) but there wasn't really anything good a motivator could do at this point

BigBangMeteor · « **Reply #749 on:** December 13, 2013, 08:52:48 AM »

I will probably shoot one of Prims, SB, or Polaris.

Also targeting town with my role doesn't prove it either, because Cop is easily faked by mafia. My role only gets proven if I hit scum with it. I could say like "yeah I targeted Bofh N1" and you'd have no way of knowing whether or not that was true. And then I'd need to claim the drawback if I ever became a lynch candidate, and then town would lose if we ever made it to a MYLO/LYLO state so. Shrug idk. I think waiting was worth it.