League of Legends Thread XIII: http://www.twitch.tv/saltyteemo

[Ryuu]

vision wards are going to be stupid

for a 300g team investment(blue buff, red buff, wraith bush) you are super protected from jungle invades for the entirety of the laning phase.

it will take multiple invades for most junglers to even wipe out a pink ward without endangering themselves(except shyvana who can just wipe it and leave because 3 hp in like a second)

even if they can wipe the ward, though, they still have to leave the buff because of impending collapse on them




also mikael's will be op as fuck and must buy every game now

[Suikama]

jungle is the new shit role

also mikeals is really nice in theory, but as i have found in practice, if your reflexes/ping suck then it's useless :derp:

well okay it does heal as well

technically speaking athene's is a lot more gold efficient but it has no active ability


oh yeah since apparently supports are 'expected' to all build AP now, OHMWRECKER is looking kinda good :V

But Frost Queen's Claim is the least gold efficient and Face of the Mountain is the most of the three gp10s so yeah Relic Shield start all the way


i just realized the blue buff nerf is most likely targeted at Rivens and Zeds taking blue buff purely for CDR

[Aba Matindesu!]

Or if you outright forget to use items, like me :colonveeplusalpha:

Re: CV bashing
You don't take it for mid->late game, obviously. Why are people (well, just one person in this thread so far, really) talking about it in the context of teamfights?

Yes, it is rather irrelevant now because of the support changes, but before season 4, it could very well have been used to save on wards and rush core support items, or even used for hilarious mind games (see: scare tactics, CV bait). It's no Exhaust, Barrier or Ignite, but it's not "OMFG NOT VIABLE!!1!1!!!1 REPORT FUCKING NOOB TROLL PLZ!1!1!111! RITO PLZ BAN!!!1!1" either. Theoretically, just like being a ward bitch instead of building for sustain, CV could (have) be(en) something for higher-level players to take advantage of.

with that being said, i haven't run cv in a while, but it worked okay then. also blah shut up silver v scrub plz uninstall etc.

e: hey patch 3.14 yay

[Suikama]

CV is for non aggressive lanes

at high elo they dont exist but before i was level 30 i used CV all the time just fine (well it was before it was nerfed too but) because everyone just does w/e in lane instead of trying to trade damage and cs


oh yeah with all the support changes riot completely forgot about alistar

and i did too

[theshirn]

it will take multiple invades for most junglers to even wipe out a pink ward without endangering themselves(except shyvana who can just wipe it and leave because 3 hp in like a second)

well vision wards have 5 hp now, what do you say to that mister smartyplats!

[Ryuu]

well vision wards have 5 hp now, what do you say to that mister smartyplats!

that in the time it'd take anyone else to auto down 5 hp, shyvana can take that 5 hp and already be half way out of your jungle

[Suikama]

oh yeah today is the last day you can run Clarity Revive :V

[Mr. Sacchi]

oh yeah today is the last day you can run Clarity Revive :V

Which is why I didn't play today, friend of mine said he'd be doing Revive/Teleport Karthus all day.

He did, I watched one of his games, he's a really, really, really bad player that got carried to gold.

It was painful.

[Suikama]

also be ready for annie tommorrow

annie, zyra, and fiddles

[Ryuu]

too bad for them that soraka might be decent again

[Suikama]

yeah lategame soraka with max Q and W is gonna spam heals like holy shit. all she could do before was 1 heal per teamfight but now you can heal more if you spam buttons like a wow healer.

meanwhile lulu already got so many nerfs and bam more nerfs
they just took shit away from her
AP on her W? lol nope lets just take that away FOR NO REASON
you want something in return? nah

Sona is pretty much always there for the Ult so really she isn't that much different. E gave such little speed before that the slight reduction no one will notice. Heal is less lategame but that wasn't really noticable either. although Lich Bane potentially can hit really hard with power chords since they scale with AP now, but IMO now there's even more reason to just get HP, CDR, and mana on Sona so you can spam spells and ults


but regardless Annie is certainly gonna be FotM now

[Ryuu]

removal of ap on lulu w was because it created weird decision making conflicts with the rest of her kit

it would be less clear what she should do at any given moment. should she polymorph an enemy or should she buff her ap for the extra slow? should she buff the carry with her w or herself to increase the pix damage? how does the w work with itself on her? does the increased movespeed apply before or after the bonus ap? etc. etc.

it makes her kit and decision process a billion times less messy by just removing it

[Suikama]

oh right it's on the same spell as polymorph

and i dont think there's ever a reason not to polymorph except when out of combat

but it did help make dragon/baron clears a little faster

[Ryuu]

back when i played lulu i almost never used w with the ap in consideration

it was needless power allotment imo. if she ends up being weak, now they have more strength debt to work with

[Suikama]

strength debt

you say that like morello knows what it means :V

but even if they do rebuff these guys, it wont be for a while, and until then annie and friends will have set up a nice treehouse in botlane

and also its more likely that annie will get nerfed rather than the other supports get buffs

[Ryuu]

annie's needed nerfed for like ever though

[Suikama]

fiddle's fear too

at least make it so fear isnt so random

[theshirn]

annie and friends

RYUU WHERE IS THIS

[Suikama]

man when riot initially said 'utility scaling' i though oh shit stuns that scale with AP!?

but no of course not, long stuns only belong to AP champs like annie and fiddles


omg im laughing so hard


okay so originally i was thinking that the inspiration mastery was kinda meh, especially since they nerfed it from 15xp10 to 10xp10, so just 1xp per second while with someone that's a higher level, which is equivalent to nidalee's hidden passive

but in the patch notes it says that both level xp is reduced and "Lane Minions are no longer worth more experience based on game time", so a wave of minions will always give around 270 exp

so this mastery potentially gives 1 wave of exp every 4.5 minutes, and in 20 minutes it gives 1200 xp which can mean a whole level of difference

its mostly to help prevent falling way behind like if you get killed twice in lane and then come in 2-3 levels down, you can catch up faster while they snowball ahead slower

and most notably it can help you hit level 6 before your opponent which can be crucial for getting a kill

also if you're with AD nidalee then it's 20xp10 rofl

[Aba Matindesu!]

RYUU WHERE IS THIS

[Suikama]

oh shit ward trinket is also a huge Lee Sin and Kat buff

free dashes always

and Jax

because he really needed more buffs


also with Annie support if you go 21/0/9 you forgo some gold gen for tons of damage.

or 6/5/19 or 10/0/20 to get 10% CDR at level 1 and still have the same gold gen at the cost of HP and block

[Ryuu]

RYUU WHERE IS THIS

i don't have enough brain juice to play high elo league and do analysis papers and analyze everything i play and write annie : (

[Widermelonz]

Just played my first ever ranked solo q game, just to see how it is. Everyone was either bronze or unranked and two seconds in everyone shouted for their roles, and I ended up with mid (my worst role). I let them have their role and I picked kha mid while the enemy chose an annoying swain mid + vi jungle combo. I utterly DESTROYED mid despite that and roamed everywhere and my KDA was I think 12/2/4 by about 20 minutes as well as having the most CS, but the team score/gold was overall pretty even. I even pressured lanes and took out 3 towers  and secured 2 dragons due to my roaming advantage. My teammates were all super nice and listened to me when I gave them suggestions on what to do, where to go, what to buy, etc. Unfortunately, none of them knew how to control their spacing or how to press the advantage and siege a turret (correctly). When teamfights broke out they facemashed autos against a Jax and danced around inside enemy fiddle's ult. We eventually lost an inhib which lead to us losing the game. The game ended with friendly GGs by both sides. I did everything that I could, but it still wasn't enough. The bronze elo hell struggle is real. Oh well, I guess I should feel lucky that everyone was super nice for once

*shrug*

[theshirn]

i don't have enough brain juice to play high elo league and do analysis papers and analyze everything i play and write annie : (

PRIORITIZE

[Raikaria]

meanwhile lulu already got so many nerfs and bam more nerfs
they just took shit away from her
AP on her W? lol nope lets just take that away FOR NO REASON
you want something in return? nah

Wat.

The Glitterlance changes isn't something in return?

The bigger shields?

Lulu changes are a straight buff IMO; and as I said previously; solo lane Lulu is going to be even more unbearable to play against than it is now. Especially toplane Lulu with a Nashor rush [Picking up an early Chalice as well because mana], because between runes; masteries and items, getting 160 AP isn't hard to even out your passive, and Lulu vs most bruisers goes like this:

You wanna try and get to me? GLITTERLANCED
You wanna try and hit me? SHEILDS
You wanna all-in me? ULT
You wanna not do any of the above? POKEPOKEPOKEPOKEPOKE
You're someone like Renekton or Riven? POLYMORPH
You're trying to gank me? GLITTERLANCE AND WHIMSY AND ULT FAT CHANCE

Seriously to get a favorable trade with a toplane Lulu you have to actually get to her through her Glitterlance spamming; then wait out Poly; then break through her now 0.7 AP ratio shield. FUN TIMES.

Also I have a huge list of supports and junglers I want to try. [And not supports in some cases]

Sadly I do not have the IP for Jinx yet. I just hope I don't need to change runepages too much.

[Garlyle]

Oh god so much going on for Preseason...  But all I can think of is "how much of this stuff is going to end up in the Howling Abyss?"  All I care about is that now Nidalee doesn't max spear damage every single fucking time she throws one in ARAM

Clairvoyance is arguably nerfed currently because the trinket now exists that does the exact same thing.

I'm down for Ranked 5s but I'm never actually online to play them so uh there's that.

[Cadmas]

Setting up masteries. The worst part of any preseason change.

I have little idea of which to choose. Other than 21/9 stuff.

[Suikama]

Oh god so much going on for Preseason...  But all I can think of is "how much of this stuff is going to end up in the Howling Abyss?"  All I care about is that now Nidalee doesn't max spear damage every single fucking time she throws one in ARAM

Clairvoyance is arguably nerfed currently because the trinket now exists that does the exact same thing.

I'm down for Ranked 5s but I'm never actually online to play them so uh there's that.

well at the trinket is disabled atm

because riot literally coded it as a minion rofl

Setting up masteries. The worst part of any preseason change.

I have little idea of which to choose. Other than 21/9 stuff.

21/9 is fine
AP: http://preseason.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/masteries.html#9Kh1GUdl.16jfKXd00.691rK.MlCGUa00
AD: http://preseason.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/masteries.html#14Sa8FHMT.4dtFafaae.0.0
Support: http://preseason.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/masteries.html#0.3Cvo_ae.ByCI.PFaflhk0
then adjust as necessary
im not sure about tanks yet though because i gotta check if rito fixed the defense mastery bug

[Cadmas]

Guess people arn't liking that double-edge sword mastery much.

A lot of these Offensive specs suck for the jungle since they only apply to champs.

[Suikama]

well its completely useless for ADC trading since there's no net gain in damage so its actually just 1 point put into nothing
and there are better things to use those points on

e: oh right no summoner spell changes yet so revive lives on
also cv trinket isnt disabled so i guess they fixed it

know what they didn't fix? The Perseverance mastery
so the defense tree is actually looking pretty shitty right now

oh shit, so the scout mastery works ONLY FOR TRINKETS
so its garbage
ALSO IT DOESNT EVEN WORK ROFL RITO WHYwait
nevermind i had the wrong mastery page rofl
the distance increase is definitely noticeable but yeah trinkets only
AMAZING FOR WARD DASHERS LIKE LEE SIN THOUGH HOLY FUCK THIS IS LIKE A FLASH DISTANCE BUFF
holy shit it's actually about the same distance as lee sin's W
same goes for kat and jax, with the mastery you can do max range jumps


okay so uh Perseverance DOES work
but it doesn't actually give HP5, its a purely invisible buff
i was always looking at my HP5 before but then i looked at my HP bar and at low hp it just JUMPS up every 5 second
so yeah its pretty good :derp:

ahaha the regen on garen now is just insane