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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #300 on: October 21, 2013, 08:51:49 PM »
it's a general thing and not really provable but mitsuki has been promising a raikaria iso for the longest time and only just got to it.

your "WWWW WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE INSTEAD" feels like something i would post as scum in your situation. not to mention it's a bit of an overreaction?

I PROMISED I'D DO IT THIS MORNING, AND I DID IT EARLY THIS AFTERNOON. GOD.

Also, whatever, but why don't you just answer? If I'm so scummy you sure should have a reasoning on what town would have done?


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #302 on: October 21, 2013, 08:52:41 PM »
in fact validon i doubt you read any of my case against raikaria

fuck white knights

CASE AGAINST RAIKARIA
1) ROLLING A SCUM PM
2) MAKING IT PATENTLY OBVIOUS IN THE THREAD
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on a more serious note the updated case against raikaria boils down to complete lack of scumhunting. strip away the claim and what do you have? cf7 is scum because ??? and im scum because im still pushing him despite his claim?

Everyone else is null, or leaning town, but I'm not gonna give out townreads because that just puts targets on people's backs.

like this is hilarious from someone who's supposedly a town doctor going down and wants to help the town. i think it's more like he cant be arsed to come up with any more reads.


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #303 on: October 21, 2013, 08:56:44 PM »
I PROMISED I'D DO IT THIS MORNING, AND I DID IT EARLY THIS AFTERNOON. GOD.

Also, whatever, but why don't you just answer? If I'm so scummy you sure should have a reasoning on what town would have done?
id expect you to evaluate the claim at least instead of going WELP I DUNNO THAT CLAIM MAKES ME PAUSE BUT IMMA VOTE HIM ANYWAY
did you think a zakeri lynch was happening earlier in the day? you barely pushed on that.

http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033699.html#msg1033699

My other points
i've been assuming sk from the start of the game. rai being a scum doctor makes sense to reconcile: the apparent confidence of his claim with his obvious scumminess. i've seen enough setups with scum docs in them.


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #304 on: October 21, 2013, 08:58:22 PM »
id expect you to evaluate the claim at least instead of going WELP I DUNNO THAT CLAIM MAKES ME PAUSE BUT IMMA VOTE HIM ANYWAY
did you think a zakeri lynch was happening earlier in the day? you barely pushed on that.

Evaluate what? I sure considered everything when I asked for the name claim. Why are just bringing it up now, anyways? It's incredibly scummy and you're also suspecting me based on something "like that" (which as I explained is totally different)
There was a point in time where I thought such a lynch could happen, when I made the case. Anyways, does that matter at all?

Validon, you should really secure the lynch right now (@A@)

Conqueror, answer my question. Or you don't have an answer for that? <3

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #305 on: October 21, 2013, 08:59:00 PM »
although it's true that if i were sk i'd be acting exactly the same as if i were town B)

(still not sk though)

I just answered your quesiton, what the hell mitsuki >_>


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #306 on: October 21, 2013, 08:59:16 PM »
yeah if i go back raikaria's case on cf7 is probably the scummiest thing he's done, it's basically his promised reread only it only seems to show that his priorities lied in making a case post thing and nothing else

everything else is like, not really strong to me anymore though, which sucks

Mitsuki those are the points I were talking about though. They're really bad.
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When Raikaria claimed, Conqueror just assumed there'd be a SK and that Raikaria would be a scum doctor. It makes it look like he's the SK because he made such an association too quickly, I'm quite sure other people wouldn't have thought about the possibility of a scum doctor and a SK coexisting just like that.
1) no he didn't assume there'd be a SK
2) no it doesn't make it look like he's the SK, like yeah I get it you thought it's like what BBM did but instead of presenting it like that from the start you pull this thing as a tell and it's really slimy imo
3) why wouldn't other people think about the possibility

validon vote raikaria

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #307 on: October 21, 2013, 09:00:35 PM »
actually nevermind ignore 1)

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #308 on: October 21, 2013, 09:01:31 PM »
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Or you don't have an answer for that? <3
You could not reek of passive aggression any harder if you tried, Mitsuki.
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #309 on: October 21, 2013, 09:02:17 PM »
Evaluate what? I sure considered everything when I asked for the name claim. Why are just bringing it up now, anyways? It's incredibly scummy and you're also suspecting me based on something "like that" (which as I explained is totally different)
okay at this point you're just not reading or being deliberate obtuse. the quote is in reference of raikaria's claim.

There was a point in time where I thought such a lynch could happen, when I made the case. Anyways, does that matter at all?
yes. it's called voteparking on a case on not pushing it hard. my favorite thing to do as scum in fact, see what i did last game.


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #310 on: October 21, 2013, 09:03:02 PM »
err, the quote that quote was responding to


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #311 on: October 21, 2013, 09:03:39 PM »
1) no he didn't assume there'd be a SK
2) no it doesn't make it look like he's the SK, like yeah I get it you thought it's like what BBM did but instead of presenting it like that from the start you pull this thing as a tell and it's really slimy imo
3) why wouldn't other people think about the possibility

2) It does, at least from my point of view
3) The whole point is that they didn't. I explained why in my reasoning. What's what you don't understand?

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #312 on: October 21, 2013, 09:04:48 PM »
I can't argue against CONQ IS SK because Conq!SK plays the same as Conq!town until all the mafia are dead.
this line isn't going anywhere


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #313 on: October 21, 2013, 09:06:16 PM »
You could not reek of passive aggression any harder if you tried, Mitsuki.

(That was me trying to get Conqueror to answer, which I still don't see. I'm going to reread now)
Also, I don't like how you're making this something personal. If you have some problem with me send me a PM. This is a game thread.

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #314 on: October 21, 2013, 09:06:46 PM »
they didn't? just because no one mentioned it doesn't mean it wasn't on their mind and this game told you there would be different wincons, i guess >sk is a bit of an over-assumption but i think you still generalized there. like, i don't see why others wouldn't have thought up of that possibilty, and in extension i don't see what would make you think that way as town

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #315 on: October 21, 2013, 09:07:04 PM »
^ um that was to #311, sorry

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #316 on: October 21, 2013, 09:07:10 PM »
(That was me trying to get Conqueror to answer, which I still don't see. I'm going to reread now)
are you serious, i've answered you several times already


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #317 on: October 21, 2013, 09:07:21 PM »
I just read all through Raikaria's posts and honestly, I don't get any sort of scummy feeling from them. Now, what about your reasoning do I not like?

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Probably one of the slimiest arguments I've ever heard. People have seen stuff I've done as town as scummy, thus now I'm going to read other people who do the same thing as scum?

So you're saying if you guys all thought that stuff was scummy from him, he can't make the same mistake as you guys? Really? You're implying that's scummy and I see it more as null.

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raikaria in day 1 last game was posting worlds different from what he's doing here. in that game he was engaged, mad, wild, crazy, paranoid.
his posting in this game is just "meh"

Again, this same sort of accusation was leveled against me before (except it was from "Validon doesn't know what the fuck" to "Validon seems to be actually trying, this is weird"). Changing one's playstyle from game to game isn't necessarily a scumtell. It could be the player trying something new. Granted, I know everyone generally assumes "different playstyle = scum," but since it's happened to me before I read it as null.

Also, you go from:

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well okay i guess an inventor claim has more parts to it than a doc claim now that you mention it >_>

expecting a doc claim to save you is fine, except when it's all you provide. there's a reason why doc is one of the more popular d1 scumclaims. you either survive because of claim or you out a counterclaim. not to mention i dont think mafia doctor is out of the question in this setup.

i want raikaria to give reads instead of getting all hussy about being run up. all i've seen from his is "cf7 is so scum guys" but it's a tired mantra and one that's easy to make.

Which I can see as being doubtful, to...

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##unvote
##vote: mitsuki

...this. Mitsuki is suspicious as well but a sudden flip-flop on your main target doesn't sit well with me. If so, what's the point of gunning for Raikaria in the first place? It just doesn't sit well at all with me. I know you went back to Raikaria, but still, even if this was a "hey, Mitsuki is suspicious, pay attention to her" vote, it doesn't justify a sudden switch when you are clearly still after Raikaria.

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I think raikaria is legit mad but it's scum mad that their big plays didnt work out the way they wanted and whining about getting caught.

And he made a big play how...? I do not agree with him pushing CF7 on the whole role thing, but still, I've rolehunted before as town (I Wanna Be the Sereliest, anyone?), so it's not necessarily scummy.

That's my problems with your argument as of now.

Cut: @BT: I don't believe Raikaria is scum at all, this wagon irks me greatly, I'm not jumping on it.
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #318 on: October 21, 2013, 09:08:07 PM »
I- wait, hold on, new reply
(That was me trying to get Conqueror to answer, which I still don't see. I'm going to reread now)
Also, I don't like how you're making this something personal. If you have some problem with me send me a PM. This is a game thread.
You're taking this way out of context if you think I'm getting personal. I'm simply saying you are not playing like town right now.
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #319 on: October 21, 2013, 09:09:00 PM »
do you think anyone else is getting lynched at this point, validon?

like okay i'll just bold it for potential herpaderps

I AM LEAVING AND WILL BE BACK IN 7 HOURS

SOMEONE VOTE UNLESS YOU LIKE WAITING THAT LONG

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #320 on: October 21, 2013, 09:09:47 PM »
I think the point we're all forgetting is that the day is ending soon, and Conq isn't getting lynched in the next century, much less today.
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #321 on: October 21, 2013, 09:10:49 PM »
P.S. The day isn't going to last 7 more hours, someone vote bloody Raikaria so BT can get his power up or whatever
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #322 on: October 21, 2013, 09:11:36 PM »
okay at this point you're just not reading or being deliberate obtuse. the quote is in reference of raikaria's claim.
yes. it's called voteparking on a case on not pushing it hard. my favorite thing to do as scum in fact, see what i did last game.

Ok, I just noticed that.
I don't think what i ever did could be considered voteparking. (?_o)

I evaluated the claim afterwards, by the way. I prefered to place my vote first in case it was needed and I didn't have time to reread. I didn't even read the new posts...

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #323 on: October 21, 2013, 09:12:57 PM »
oh right we don't have 7 hours, I mixed up 2 AM my time and 2 AM EST

validon? anyone else? seriously what the heck

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #324 on: October 21, 2013, 09:15:06 PM »
the only third party i know that absolutely has to be eliminated by town is sk. arsonist is also possible but arsonist is a terrible role so yeah

So you're saying if you guys all thought that stuff was scummy from him, he can't make the same mistake as you guys? Really? You're implying that's scummy and I see it more as null.
...that's really twisting it because HIS reasoning is that since we thought certain stuff is scummy from him, he's justified in thinking someone else doing it is scummy. It's not that he thought it was scummy to begin with. It's more like, "oh hey i can appropriate this reasoning that other people have used against me before," when in actuality a townie would go
hey people have misread me as scummy for doing this before maybe this guy is town like i was then."


Again, this same sort of accusation was leveled against me before (except it was from "Validon doesn't know what the fuck" to "Validon seems to be actually trying, this is weird"). Changing one's playstyle from game to game isn't necessarily a scumtell. It could be the player trying something new. Granted, I know everyone generally assumes "different playstyle = scum," but since it's happened to me before I read it as null.
it could be null, it could also be one of the strongest scumtells because he's not acting like town. in any case this is just one point out of many.

Also, you go from:

Which I can see as being doubtful, to...

...this. Mitsuki is suspicious as well but a sudden flip-flop on your main target doesn't sit well with me. If so, what's the point of gunning for Raikaria in the first place? It just doesn't sit well at all with me. I know you went back to Raikaria, but still, even if this was a "hey, Mitsuki is suspicious, pay attention to her" vote, it doesn't justify a sudden switch when you are clearly still after Raikaria.
i woke up in the morning, saw that vote from mitsuki and almost did a complete 180 on my reads based on that. saying "what's the point for gunning for raikaria in the first place" is wtf since the main way i get reads from people is by pressing them. so what's scummy about my sudden vote there?

And he made a big play how...? I do not agree with him pushing CF7 on the whole role thing, but still, I've rolehunted before as town (I Wanna Be the Sereliest, anyone?), so it's not necessarily scummy.
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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #325 on: October 21, 2013, 09:15:28 PM »
I'm nervous, okay? Expect me to be like that on deadlines (=w=;
NNR, please, if you're going to say I'm passiv-agressive or something PLEASE say that it makes me scummy from your point of view, otherwise it will always look as what it shouldn't to someone who is being pasisve-agressive.

VALIDON PLEASE VOTE RAIKARIA WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS NOT HELPING TOWN

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #326 on: October 21, 2013, 09:16:13 PM »
Actually since it'll be revealed anyway I'll say it right now, you can tell from how I worded my reveal that it takes several hammers for me to activate my power.
I think people missed this

but, like, yes, carry on

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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #327 on: October 21, 2013, 09:16:56 PM »
but still, I've rolehunted before as town (I Wanna Be the Sereliest, anyone?), so it's not necessarily scummy.

btw this is not really related to the current situation but rolehunting is scummy (even though yes, townies can do it, it's still scummy as heck) and townies shouldn't do it. like seriously, fuck roles.


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #328 on: October 21, 2013, 09:18:12 PM »
and yeah shadoweh isn't getting lynched today so if someone like validon can move to place a vote on raikaria that would be great


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Re: The iDOLM@STER Mafia Episode 1!
« Reply #329 on: October 21, 2013, 09:19:39 PM »
I still don't agree with this wagon in the slightest, but if there really is no other choice, then...

##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria


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