The iDOLM@STER Mafia Thread 1 (Locked)

[Shadoweh]

>_> I should have known that no Day 1 quickwagon meant people would be jumping on me today, tis the fate of all things Shadoweh.
I'm just going to claim now so you all learn to back the fuck off. I'm the Animal Idol Hibiki Ganaha, and I'm a JoaT with an emphasis on the ALL, I have at least five ability pets. Except the one that lets me shoot people. Not that I haven't been trying to get people killed. I thought it might be unlikely for there to be a doctor when I have a few shots of HONK HONK. I'm very disappointed in Conqueror for not being townie enough to get shot despite the doctor dying, because I was hoping to get Zak killed last night instead, which helps me find it funny that he wants me ded too. Incidentally if any of you targetted either Conq or Zak, you got switched around.

RE: Town List of Religiously followable town reads. Lurking is scummy, you should get used to lynching everyone whose afraid to talk. I don't think Raikaria was being very active at the time either. SB gets a pass because:

ok so you weren't -that- active but your few posts were memorable.

If you think my reads are wrong then go ahead and argue with them, but you seem to have thought the same things did on reading.
Funnily enough I could have provided reasoning for everyone not on my list yesterday, and did for specific people who were asked about. Rerating current standings:

My Little Townies:

2. Shadoweh - The Strongest
1. CF7hasnoname + 11. darkninjaabc = That long arduous slapfight between them seems too townie to fake so still town forever.
5. NNR = I don't remember why his first posts struck me as town honestly but I still like his posts now, even if they involve VOTING ME >:<
9. Serious Bananas = His posts are goodposting and you should like him too. Weird for me to say since I think we agree on like 0 reads but still
10. Conq = My waifu I will protex you from all the bad things precious

13. Serela = I'm gonna have to reread and see if Vhaltz is telling the truth about Serela lurking through the lynch, he's right that Scumela always accidentalies the End day. Serela, why did you think BT was the obvious kill last night?

Unsavories:

6. ActionDan = I don't really know what to say besides there needs to be less cutie and more thread postie. Current content is Shirley Temple levels of nonexistent? I don't have much in terms of scumreads this game, but the people bugging me are like holes where presence should be.
8. Validon98 = I said I liked his nightposting better, and I did, not sure that holds up against the atrocious Day 1. Also rereading apparently telling him his lurking was scummy was us having a screaming match? Honestly I still want to like him better but he's gotta post more, there's nothing today either.
7. Sky Paladin = When I posted my list this guy had like, no posts, at all. Quiet start means he doesn't get an easy newbie pass, but alot of his play seems to have those 'im not from around here' mistakes that annoy more then scumify. Like suggesting a no-lynch, if he'd mentioned that in the scum QT I imagine they would have been like 'no one suggests you do that D:' Right now I'm probably biased because rereading his case on me is 'caused a lynch to happen on Raikaria ITS ALL YOUR FAULT'. But I could hold that against all of you! <^_^>
3. Mitsuki/Vhaltz = I could not explain in words why Mitsuki was weirding me out gutwise honestly. I'll have to recheck Serela before deciding if I like Vhaltz's current posts.

14. Zakeri = I'm very upset that you're still alive. Zakeri is alive in a game with ITP win conditions, this is clearly reason to lynch him alone. In more serious news, never hinting at the slightest suspicion on me the previous day while those underhanded vote wrangling methods were happening only to jump on me today for having pushed my weight around to get Rairai pushed over is.. I'm not sure what the word is. You were not acting like someone who thought my activities were scummy yesterday, but now that I'm a target you think I'm scum.

Shadoweh is worth more to town dead than alive. It's one thing to build a case on a townie, but she spent the entire day just pesuading people to vote Raikaria, even using underhanded methods to convince them. Conqueror is much better compared to her in that regard since he used reasoning, but Shadoweh went as far as shooting down alternate wagons by citing the shifty deadline as a reason to stop thinking as town. She later claims That it's our fault for listening to her. Pure victim blaming.
All She's provided outside of that is attempts to defend herself from being suspected based on the results of the wagon.
##Vote:Shadoweh
I wanted to just ignore Shadoweh on basis of "Obvious ITP, probably without town win con" but Dan apparently has people vouching for him. I still want to know more about if Dan is actually being helpful somewhere where I just can't see it, though.

This isn't even a case on me being scum, this is a case on me being an evil, evil woman who should be lynched for being an underhanded politician. It's indeed a list of things that I did. Even things I said that admittedly probably made alot of you mad at me. They're still not scummy things. There's no scum benefit to me in making a bunch of people hate me enough to make an L-1 wagon in 24 hours. So this is just riding the hate wave. If I was an ITP I would clearly have been a Lyncher and already escaped the game anyways.

##Vote: Zakeri

Expect more once I actually review my Serela Performance Review.

[Serela]

wha

Moreover, your attitude towards all lynches are completely laid back, you did not even show much concern over Raikaria claiming doc, rather, you subtly avoided most part of the discussion and silently placed your vote.

I wasn't even here what are you smoking
I didn't even change my vote past ed1 because cf7 actually turned into a serious thing

I can't respond to most of darkninja's case because it's mostly vague with fancy wording.

Regarding Serela's own analysis on himself. I refuse to acknowledge, for it is lacking in any type of proof and evidence

Your reference to my meta is pretty much the same just FYI >_> I'm fairly sure from your conclusion you didn't even read a game where I was scum (unless you can come up with examples of scum games where I played like this, not that I seriously think other people care so it's not a big deal)

Serela, your relatively swift response actually do not help in clearing up your case, but is only a smokescreen to distract us from focusing on you and what was going on your head since d1 to make you post like aforementioned. If anything, I can only confirm more solidly that you are but scum trying to put together time to assemble a convincing case due to the relative inability of you doing so yourself.

Whaaaaat

A smokescreen to... okay nevermind let me move on to the other part >_> I'm not "scum trying to find time to make a case". My case is currently on Shadoweh. If you think it's a shitty case that's your problem, but a bunch of other people seem to agree that Shadoweh is pretty terrible, so! (Or if it's because of the lack of actual words spent by me on Shadoweh... well, it doesn't always take much to explain why somebody is scummy. And no, it's not just "she didn't respond to my question", I complained about her D1 play both during d1 and afterwords while starting to vote her.)

also about ActionDan

He has, in fact, shared a QT with us.

Who cares? If he's only scumhunting in the QT and refuses to do it in thread that's just plain messed up. He needs to actually participate in the game. Just because -you- can see what he's done doesn't make him doing zilch in the actual game thread okay, at all.

Anyway onto the rest of the thread. Re:Vhaltz

He was gone for 25+ hours after that with the excuse of forgetting about mafia which is just not something town would do.

I went to sleep, woke up half an hour before I had work, and then when I got home day 1 was already over. I didn't forget about mafia for 25 hours, I forgot about it for the 10~15 minutes immediately after waking up that I had before I needed to leave. (Anyway there's not really any kind of legit defense to not being around because that's totally a bad thing I did, but I should certainly at least explain)

Actually wait what?

His last D1 post is #171 where he also happens to be leaving himself on the biggest wagon after CF7's claim with no comment on his claim other than "oh yeah well it could also be a scum role", without addressing how the claim was scattered around several posts which was an oddball thing we don't see often and was actually worth addressing.

This is actually entirely false. Here is my 146, where it is pretty much the reason I didn't believe the claim- it went through numerous questionable changes as soon as CF7 came under fire for it and looked ridiculously fake. (However CF7 ended up being the person who was just involved in a misunderstood-claim fiasco as town, so... >_>)

Add that to the absolutely horrid replies to the case just recently where he is clearly attempting to divert attention onto lurkers and you've got yourself Serela scum. I don't buy that as town you'd only notice just now how little Dan has contributed in-thread and/or decided it wasn't really worth any attention until now.

Dude just because they're lurkers doesn't mean they're scum. This reminds me of Swordgirls where people refused to lynch Kaori because ?? and then Welcome To The NHK where people refused to look at megalurker rawr because he hadn't "done anything bad" (actuality:He had done literally nothing period) and both times they were scum with me yelling in everyone's faces whilst being ignored. :I

Lurkers who aren't contributing to the game are pretty likely to be scum. If they aren't you still need to yell at them so they hopefully actually start, like, playing the game so it's possible to TELL THEY'RE TOWN. In Motk lurkscum is a popular strategy because FOR SOME REASON THEY GET AWAY WITH IT AN AWFUL LOT >:T

I forgot about ActionDan because D1 I had been giving him a pass (you can't lynch lurkers d1, it's hard to really tell if they're lurking and the chance of irl busy-ness is high) and then after D2 I suddenly remembered "Oh wait it's actually a decent bit into the game now AND HE STILL HASN'T DONE ANYTHING" and then I realized "AND HE'S EVEN BEEN POSTING IN THE THREAD, WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING" which is a really bad sign yo

Serela has coasted by late D1 in other scumgames and has done the same this game.

Actually I do this as town an awful lot too (and usually it's not even a complete mistake like this time!)

When I went back to check who else had voted for Raikaria, I was surprised to see Serela's vote there.

(this is skypaladin now) You do realize I voted Raikaria ED1 before he was ever a thing and then stayed on cf7 until the end of the day right?

Okay now I can breathe
I wasn't expecting all these cases on me `-`
Shadoweh and ActionDan still doing nothing `___________` ("but he does things in the qt" will never be a legit excuse for doing absolutely nothing in the thread)
oh god cut by shadoweh just gonna get this post out there first, haven't read it

[Serela]

Oh god I'm sorry that quote wall looks hard to read

it starts with darkninja quotes, moves to vhaltz after I go Re:Vhaltz, and there's a skypaladin one at the end where I say so

[Sky_Paladin]

##unvote
Because I am racing out the door to work and suddenly two big walls of text appeared and I have no time to do it properly and don't want the phase to end before I get back.

[Shadoweh]

SERELA BT WHY DID YOU SAY HE WAS THE OBVIOUS KILL FOR YESTERDAY

[Serela]

Lurking is scummy, you should get used to lynching everyone whose afraid to talk.

Thank you Shadoweh <3 But it's "who is" or "who's", you do not win the pinata.

...pinata? That really doesn't look right, where's the y sound? Maybe there should be a line over the a. 2lazy2google

Serela, why did you think BT was the obvious kill last night?

BT was hella town, he was actually on several people's town reads (Anyone I remember giving townreads, really) and he was fairly active and reasonable (A++ Would Sheep Again), and claimed some power that, given it required multiple hammers to activate, was probably pretty badass. All I see here is a bucket full of Nightkill Surprise for dinner in all relevant categories! Also no one else really came to mind as a fabulous nightkill choice.

The stuff Shadoweh says to Zakeri makes me giggle a lot though! I wonder how he'll respond. (Zakeri isn't so great IMO but I definitely have bigger priorities)

cut by shadoweh screaming at me about bt for late night snacks

[Serela]

oh right and no one (except CF7 olol) thought BT was scummy in the least AFAIK

[Serela]

I'm extremely doubtful my response will even dent Darkie's resolution to vote me but I eagerly await Vhaltz' response!

Also I work for the next 3 days too, I just found out, I'm super sad I can't be here all day for d2 to get in the silliest arguments. But I have 3 days off after so I'll probably be around allllll of Day 3.

[Serela]

Shadoweh claiming JoAT and playing Bus Driving Serial Killer n1 doesn't really make me think she was any townier then I did this morning just fyi

[Serela]

From my big quotewall post

Dude just because they're lurkers doesn't mean they're scum.

Doesn't mean they're NOT scum***

oops

[Shadoweh]

I'm not a serial killer you daft punk, directly killing people is the only thing I can't do. I would think the former Bus Driver who tried to use his ability to kill his scumreads would understand my reasoning actually.

Serela what about my Zakeri comments do you disagree with considering you're voting me for having no scumreads, not for being Literally The Best Role Ever.

[Serela]

I'm not a serial killer you daft punk, directly killing people is the only thing I can't do. I would think the former Bus Driver who tried to use his ability to kill his scumreads would understand my reasoning actually.

IT WAS A JOKE

Anyway I guess I do kind of need to re-evaluate things

although I still don't really like your d1 play so I'm not perturbed with leaving my vote on you for the present >_>

[I have no name]

1. IHaveNoName/CF7 - Same alignment as Shadoweh (Town if town, scum if scum)
2. Shadoweh - Scum

Why am I the same alignment as Shadoweh?

I like Serela a lot more now.  No time to re-read the other people I find suspicious until tomorrow, but Shadoweh looks *slightly* better off play though the claim being offered so willingly strikes me as a bit...odd.  Either way, Shadoweh was my biggest gut read as I read through D1, so I'll be leaving my vote there overnight.

[Shadoweh]

I was going to yell at you for liking it yesterday but I just realized you never did listen to me. =_=
It also doesn't answer my question. You are being lazy.

IHNN: I don't think being literally the only suspect of the day is an easy position. I'm also willing to admit my attitude called for more drastic action then just refuting cases.

[Conqueror]

Wondering where Conq disappeared off to.

busy, mostly, quickposting here

speaking of which

##unvote
##vhaltz

his push on serela reads really forced, like a lame imitation of his conviction on serela!scum in town mafia especially as serela's play in the two games isn't even that similar. if anything id compare serela's play here to his play as sk in dont know the setup mafia. also feels like he's leaving himself really open on shadoweh and zak. will elaborate on this later when i have time. i've been pretty much disagreeing with everything he's been saying, and not in the "well i disagree with you but you still look town way."

will need to look at zakeri and shadoweh again, but my d1 town read on shadoweh still holds i think, plus the fact that i dont think shadoweh tends to defend newbies as scum. again, will go further into depth here.

dan stop trolling and tell us who you think is scum.

[Conqueror]

He was gone for 25+ hours after that with the excuse of forgetting about mafia which is just not something town would do. Bolded for emphasis.

Add that to the absolutely horrid replies to the case just recently where he is clearly attempting to divert attention onto lurkers and you've got yourself Serela scum. I don't buy that as town you'd only notice just now how little Dan has contributed in-thread and/or decided it wasn't really worth any attention until now. Lynch scum Serela guys. Again.

like this is a particularly egregious point that i dont think vhaltz!town would have made. because town don't forget about mafia games?

re: serela only just "noticing" how bad dan is, look at how you're just "noticing" how bad serela is. vhaltz trying to spin this as ~*boom scum lynch pls*~ behaviour is really scummy.

[Conqueror]

##vote vhaltz

[Vhaltz]

I couldn't sleep, probably because I've been intermittently completely zonking out every now and then throughout the day. And what better thing to do while I take a sleep-helper infusion than to check mafia again. I'm probably going straight to bed right after this post though because I told Mitsuki to scold me if I went to bed later than 2AM (and it's exactly 2AM as I write this).

This is actually entirely false. Here is my 146, where it is pretty much the reason I didn't believe the claim- it went through numerous questionable changes as soon as CF7 came under fire for it and looked ridiculously fake. (However CF7 ended up being the person who was just involved in a misunderstood-claim fiasco as town, so... >_>)

Well fuck, I completely missed this post and I don't understand how because I was ctrl+f'ing your personal text instead of your name. I possibly got interrupted and jumped to the next page assuming I had already checked it. You can cross that point out from the list.


I was going to continue replying to this but I just scrapped it after I scrolled back up to read Shadoweh's post.


First of all, I want everybody to acknowledge the fact that even though Shadoweh is clearly claiming several shots of bulletproof with the way she mentions the doctor, she is doing so in a way that is deliberately obfuscating so that she miiiiight just be able to bullshit her way out of claiming something specific.

I'm just going to claim now so you all learn to back the fuck off. I'm the Animal Idol Hibiki Ganaha, and I'm a JoaT with an emphasis on the ALL, I have at least five ability pets. Except the one that lets me shoot people. Not that I haven't been trying to get people killed. I thought it might be unlikely for there to be a doctor when I have a few shots of HONK HONK. I'm very disappointed in Conqueror for not being townie enough to get shot despite the doctor dying, because I was hoping to get Zak killed last night instead, which helps me find it funny that he wants me ded too. Incidentally if any of you targetted either Conq or Zak, you got switched around.

That said, I doubt there's two BP townies in addition to a doctor.

I'm Iori Minase, specifics being Super Beautiful Cute and Perfect Idol, I pretty much already claimed earlier that I had another power aside from the neighbour QT and the power is that I'm fireproof.
Well, I'm fireproof except I don't know if I'm the anti-arson kind of fireproof, just bulletproof, or both. The ability name specifically mentions a fireproof charm (my rabbit, Charles) but the wording to the way it protects me seems to imply that it would save me from one attempt at my life, without specifying the nature of the kill. I think Mitsuki just thought we were a regular bulletproof I have asked PX to specify but he felt that doing so was off limits.

Seeing as I was almost forced to claim last night, early this morning I quickly checked to see if I could find crumbs Mitsuki left behind to use in case I ended up needing to claim in the end, but all I found was her mention of drinking water in RVS which I figured would not sound very convincing, so I was thinking of ways of crumbing this without being too obvious when halfway through today I decided a subtle one would be calling Darkninja by his personal text instead, Firephoenix.

Another thing you could call a crumb is how I said I didn't think there's ITPs after BT's flip. Seeing the "at least one wincon that isn't town or scum" working in the way of townies with ITP alternate wincons makes my ability being one-shot make a lot more sense. I figure it's much more likely that there's some sort of alternate wincon for a townie that involves killing with fire than an arsonist only one townie could only protect against once or giving scum an unstoppable role that kills with fire (considering that Raikaria flipped a weak variant of doc). Hence why I consistently warned not to grant anybody else any help with conditional powers.

Of course all of these last few things are all speculation assuming I'm not just a regular bulletproof which could also be the case.

All of that aside, thinking from the PoV of a town JoaT, one just wouldn't claim the bulletproof charges part of the role.

##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh

Cut a gazillion times

[Vhaltz]

Note that the reason I'm counterclaiming in the first place is that I have no doubt from flavor wording that I'm not exclusively a fireproof townie with no regular protection. I'm either a fireproof+bulletproof or just a bulletproof.

I can't really go into any more specifics without risking a modkill

[Shadoweh]

What. The only thing I've explicitly claimed is Bus Driver powers, I haven't claimed anything about bulletproof. What the fuck are you on?

[Vhaltz]

What.

Oh holy fuck.

That's why you SHOULDN'T be deliberately obfuscating about things when claiming Shadoweh. I don't know what your deal is with not saying things the straight way but seriously.

##Unvote

Tentatively removing vote while I mull this over because I think that made L-1, in fact I didn't check the votecount before I voted so I'm really hoping I didn't hammer.

[Vhaltz]

Okay no that wasn't hammer, Paladin unvoted before he left.

I'm just staring at the screen in disbelief right now.

If you're town I really want you to look at this post game and never, ever do anything like it when claiming again because it's inevitable that misunderstandings like this happen sooner or later. As a JoaT claim I was convinced that you were claiming more than one power to aim for credibility.

[Shadoweh]

It makes people make really hilarious posts like counterclaiming a role you didn't claim while explaining their fireproofness. You also explained why I didn't go into specifics of what my abilities are while talking about how a town joat wouldn't just out everything! This is hilarious in a terrible way. So how do you feel about Zakeri?

Conq do you still think Vhaltz is scum after that outburst because I kind of think he couldn't possibly be now <.< Also are you pulling a futo y/n

[Validon98]

So I was gone. Then I came back. Then there was a lot of posts and oh my god Shadoweh is a JoaT and uhh...
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...
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I'm going to ISO Shadoweh again. And probably Serela as well, his name has been coming up a lot from just quick scans and I want to see why people are on his case (from looking at the accusations they actually do have some merit, Serela wasn't that great D1 either last time I checked). I'm sorry, so freaking busy with school I'm only really going to be able to keep like two or so people on my mind at all times and if I see nothing wrong, I'll move onto two more people, etc. until I can actually cover all of the players instead of kind of trying to follow events but not saying anything because getting into long conversations takes up time I don't have. I knew I shouldn't have done this when I knew I was so busy. >_<;

[Vhaltz]

Actually it was just a gambit to get somebody to say fire, it's cool Shadoweh :V

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explaining their FIREproofness.

I recommend drinking WATER~

I'd like to know where on EARTH you are getting this impression from.

facilitates town win be dWINDling the number of suspects

his posting in this game is half-HEARTed at best.

Shana, Miyori, Alphonse, Hasuta, and Rise!

##GOPLANET

[Validon98]

Actually, you know what, fuck it, I have no time, requesting replacement. I'm really sorry, but irl takes up way too much of my time at the moment, maybe another time when I'm not so busy.

Cut: @Vhaltz: ...OH FUCKING GIVE ME A BREAK.

[Vhaltz]

I'm sorry Validon =_D

But don't worry, it doesn't really cripple you if you're town, it should actually help more than anything since it saves you guys the trouble of wasting the lynch on Mitsuki and I's slot.

[Shadoweh]

You son of a bitch.

[Vhaltz]

 

I promise the consequences are not as bad as they may seem.

[Serela]

ROFL

Okay well Vhaltz being town is good to know