Author Topic: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)  (Read 68165 times)

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #930 on: September 28, 2013, 12:11:07 AM »
v0t3c0vnt 4 lyl0 5.2

I don't want to cry, and I don't want to see you anymore
Burning love intersects
Coming to see me while wanting to cry, chasing after me
No one can stop you

Is this the future? Or a dream?
Where is the answer? This is the door that tests the present
Should I destroy it or open it?
Blood teller...


Dormio (1) Bardiche
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« Last Edit: September 28, 2013, 12:15:06 AM by Shadoweh »


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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #931 on: September 28, 2013, 02:54:50 AM »
quickly (lol) confirming I'm the Town Connector with the ability to invite people into a qt every night (it's the same link for everyone).

n1: bt
n2: bbm
n3: serela
n4: sb

catching up with the rest of the thread now


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #932 on: September 28, 2013, 02:55:21 AM »
At least we can agree that scum is between Dormio and I, because otherwise scum could've effected a quicklynch to win the game! Yaaay!

It'd suck if people lynch me regardless using mass blinders though. I still submit that it's utterly retarded to target yourself with a post restriction and get no mod confirmation whatsoever that it'd screw you over; I got Shadoweh asking me if I was sure on one of the actions I submitted! I don't really follow why Dormio wouldn't at least inquire if he could target himself. And targeting someone who died should still not invalidate the fact you acted that night.

Basically I think the timing of Dormio doing something incredibly moronic such as target himself and failing to check if that is a legit action, then getting hit with near-incomprehensible post restriction is way too convenient for a LYLO situation. Scum using a QT to get chummy with people in a one-on-one situation isn't out of the ordinary, nor is scum QT stealer. The only powers Dormio has actually demonstrated use of is QTs, and I have been scum with a QT Hijack role before.

His content's been pretty light all game with many promises of more content later. Egregiously if you read one of his cases as here, I point out that he never really explains why anything of Zakeri's actions is particularly scummy. Most of the post seems to say "I don't understand" and "Zakeri is taking contradictory stances", neither of which are particularly scummy traits. Dormio literally made a case there on someone he can't make a case on, there's nothing there to point out why or how Zakeri is being scummy. Of interest is the response to BT here, where he says he's interested in Zakeri and that's enough. That's the most blatant "fuck you I'm gonna keep tunneling" I've seen in a while (hurr durr because I haven't played Mafia in months) and that the culmination of that is just the above, flimsy case of non-understanding.

He just hops to Paperblade later and then to CF7 after claiming it is the best lynch... and on Day 3 further ignores case-making requirements by just saying "sheeping Serela". At this point Dormio's pretty much quit playing the game in the thread and has apparently moved on to only playing in QTs, at which point he can act as scummy as the fuck he wants because in one-on-one conversations it's harder to detect whether the person is saying what you want to hear or whether they're being genuine.

"Hola se?or Bard," you might say, "you've been pretty Mehican siesta about scumhunting yourself!" Meanwhile you grit your teeth at the terrible strawman being built up here. It's awful, Bardiche keeps doing it! The difference is I'm replacing in because Kilga needed to put his priorities elsewhere, and did not sign up for this game out of love for reading endless pages on pages of sweet lies and silvery deceit. And derpitude. Honestly, Dormio signed up to play the game, so his lack of commitment thereto and the lacking quality of his activities when present are so bad, it's just as he's not even attempting to play the game seriously and trying to win as Town.

Therefore, I end with one recommendation.

##Vote: Dormio

Serela

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #933 on: September 28, 2013, 02:58:46 AM »
if we want dormio to make a cool post he's totally free to do so in the QT that everyone other then bard is present in :V
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #934 on: September 28, 2013, 03:00:46 AM »
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ddnt xpct t t nt wrk whn trgt 1 s ddnt sk spclly bcs 1 hs lmtd ccss t ntrnt rght nw

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #935 on: September 28, 2013, 03:12:17 AM »
Dormio says he assumed he would be fine because the rolepm he states you only receive the restriction from hell if you outright fail to send in a use of the power- so, using oneself as a target was seemingly a perfectly safe option.

I'm getting too sleepy to address the rest, (plus dormio should be able to defend himself in the QT for all the people who are supposed to be deciding between the obvious 1v1 of the day) but I'll be around lots of tomorrow~
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #936 on: September 28, 2013, 03:14:39 AM »
actually ill respond to this first because im being called off to do some other stuff

There are also minor things like how he was "surprised" by how vocal I was in the QT and how he made a point of justifying hooking me up on N1 with "I Believe that this is a more fun way to play the game" more than once which seems useless and doesn't even make that much sense. I voiced how I thought Conq was weaseling out of suspecting me at first so scum!him probably felt like he had to establish that that's not what happened -- even now I think his sudden backing off was for poor reasons considering the strength of his case, especially compared to the strength of the preceding SB case.
All this is just explaining how something could have went down if I were scum, but it's an explanation that assumes I'm scum and works from there.

-I was surprised by the amount you posted in the QT because I was. I wasn't expecting you to post that much given how much you didn't post on D1.
-I hooked you up Night 1 for 1) getting a better read on you and 2) to keep the inevitable wallfight out of the game thread, and I've stated this as much, so I have no idea what you mean by saying I did it "for fun." Where did I say that?
-I back off my scumreads if I feel like I'm getting so emotionally involved that it's affecting my judgement. See how I backed off Polaris in Pictures of Birds or how I backed off Vhaltz in Town Mafia.
-Why was backing off scummy in the first place given that there was definitely traction for scumreads on you on D2 and your biggest defender died overnight?


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
Every saint has a past and every sinner a future.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #937 on: September 28, 2013, 03:16:26 AM »
if we want dormio to make a cool post he's totally free to do so in the QT that everyone other then bard is present in :V

:V Because isolating only one person from your discussions isn't at all going to colour your perspective on that one person, no sir. Just because Dormio is in a QT with you doesn't mean he's Town.

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"Hey Shadoweh, target myself unless that's impossible then target y."
Come on, Dormio, you're not stupid. Compulsive roles acting on themselves is often unheard of. Assuming now is the exception is odd, as is not just targeting someone else with a super mild post restriction.

When did Dormio claim to have given Schezo an item? Before or after Schezo's demise? If after, it's easy to create lies after there's no one left alive to call you out on them. If the former, it was still possible for Scum!Dormio to eliminate Schezo during the night to avoid having the story corroborated.


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(plus dormio should be able to defend himself in the QT for all the people who are supposed to be deciding between the obvious 1v1 of the day)

Yes, because one party being able to exclusively influence the rest with the other party being unable to respond to it isn't going to be in scum's favour in the least.

Man, if you just want to play in QTs, poke me when you get around to playing Mafia in the thread.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #938 on: September 28, 2013, 03:23:09 AM »
Honestly my responses feel like formalities because "this is polite" and "this is how I should be playing mafia, right?" but then I kinda feel bad because I extremely doubt I'll be persuaded into voting Dormio over Bard. My responses were bad as Bard just pointed out in a cut, because I was getting to the point of trying to justify things I had already stopped caring about.

There's so many things I could say to Bard about why I'd rather vote him but I'm tired and it feels like it's only for justifying my vote to look like a better player, and not actually to help secure the Bard lynch, which AFAI-Can-Tell is more likely even if I didn't possess a vote.
#Vote Bardiche
Might as well. `-`

(like, some of the things bard is saying in that post, such as dormio delegating his amount of play to "sheeping serela" d3 when in actuality Dormio wrote up a big case on NNR after doing that, is just a flat out lie, I mean seriously. So there are indeed ACTUAL REASONS for this.)
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Serela

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #939 on: September 28, 2013, 03:29:31 AM »
I feel bad for my amount of lazy in postmaking this game.

But, it's just kind of been a cruise as after D1 there's like, absolutely no fight in who's actually going to be lynched- most of the game just... agrees on someone and lynches them without any significant fuss. (Unless BT/Conq suddenly start really wanting bard lynched today)
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Bardiche

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #940 on: September 28, 2013, 03:29:51 AM »
Also:

DORMIO, YOU LIAR

Check it.

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That's a vowel as well as the 'y'. Shadoweh has incurred no punishment for the use of either.

Bardiche

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #941 on: September 28, 2013, 03:30:03 AM »
Sigh, good job Serela. Throw the game.

Bardiche

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #942 on: September 28, 2013, 03:31:35 AM »
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such as dormio delegating his amount of play to "sheeping serela" d3 when in actuality Dormio wrote up a big case on NNR after doing that

Except, you lazy fuck, he voted CF7 saying he was sheeping you. If he wasn't sheeping you on that he'd write a big case on CF7, not on NNR. If he thought CF7 was such a good lynch he would not have looked to focusing on NNR at all.

I hate "play to win" rules, because having to argue with people who have already decided you are wrong is the most annoying thing in the world.

Serela

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #943 on: September 28, 2013, 03:32:01 AM »
##Unvote bardiche

fine let's see if shadoweh says anything about that

also y is only sometimes a vowel so I could see that one
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Serela

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #944 on: September 28, 2013, 03:33:11 AM »
if dormio actually has a justice vote on him you people better turbolynch bard before the other scum jumps on >:T
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Serela

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #945 on: September 28, 2013, 03:33:40 AM »
if dormio actually has a justice vote on him you people better turbolynch bard before the other scum jumps on >:T
because OBVIOUSLY scum wouldn't seriously post restrict themselves they'd fake it

unless Dormio seriously derped I guess
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #946 on: September 28, 2013, 03:35:23 AM »
Bard I think you said something wrong because I just looked at Day 3 and Dormio's first post was his huge case on NNR, there was no CF7 vote that day.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #947 on: September 28, 2013, 03:36:35 AM »
It's really easy to think you're spouting blatant lies when you accidentally mix up the days :V
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #948 on: September 28, 2013, 03:37:38 AM »
It's really easy to think you're spouting blatant lies when you accidentally mix up the days :V

Because mixing up the days clearly means it doesn't exist and never happened.

Never mind. Fuck the play to win rule. If you vote me I will self-hammer and help you achieve the loss you desire. If you want to lose this badly I won't stop you.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #949 on: September 28, 2013, 03:38:19 AM »
and practically the entire game is guilty of doing almost nothing d4, there was an instant wagon on cf7 and then people trotted around his role shenanigans confusedly and nothing really happened

I mean I guess dormio is still guilty of it but that was everyone
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #950 on: September 28, 2013, 03:40:40 AM »
I might have a bias against you but that doesn't change that when I read your arguments against dormio I still don't really agree with them
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #951 on: September 28, 2013, 03:43:35 AM »
So you're saying this:
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Egregiously if you read one of his cases as here, I point out that he never really explains why anything of Zakeri's actions is particularly scummy. Most of the post seems to say "I don't understand" and "Zakeri is taking contradictory stances", neither of which are particularly scummy traits. Dormio literally made a case there on someone he can't make a case on, there's nothing there to point out why or how Zakeri is being scummy. Of interest is the response to BT here, where he says he's interested in Zakeri and that's enough. That's the most blatant "fuck you I'm gonna keep tunneling" I've seen in a while (hurr durr because I haven't played Mafia in months) and that the culmination of that is just the above, flimsy case of non-understanding.

Is false? His case on Zakeri is solid, and he made abundantly clear why Zakeri was scummy in that post? Refusing to look at other people and focusing on Zakeri despite no one being interested in a Zakeri lynch was not tunnelling?

Enlighten me. You're clearly not interested in my offer to lynch myself so we might as well keep doing this back-and-forth.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #952 on: September 28, 2013, 03:45:30 AM »
Man Castle is a Great.. uh I Mean Mirai Votecount! 5.3

I was struck by those words, too late to give unnecessary pity
"Tell me", you said to me, "I'll take you away", my resolution wasn't enough

"Shall we be tied down by reason? But you ran away in fear"
Forgiving while hugging, Grief Resentment Impatience Bloodlust
If it repeats, Blood Teller..


Dormio (1) Bardiche
Bardiche (1) Dormio

Not voting: Conqueror, BT, Hitlerela

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.
There are 47 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown


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Bardiche

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #953 on: September 28, 2013, 03:46:46 AM »
Actually, never mind the inquiry. I'm not going to bother with you Serela, since at this point you admitted you're not interested in playing Mafia well, you're just interested in doing polite things and keeping up appearances. Don't bother. You've already stated you will not vote Dormio, so the only ones I care about at this point are Conq and BT, who have not yet decided they want to throw the game.


Oh look, no justice vote.
Dormio was lying.
Still want to lynch me, Serela? Well?

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #954 on: September 28, 2013, 03:47:56 AM »
Bard, you've got what you wanted because of a technicality.

WELL PLAYED, DORMIO. But you made a mistake. :T

##Vote Dormio

Dormio lying about post restricting himself pretty much eliminates the possibility he's town single-pointedly.
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #955 on: September 28, 2013, 03:48:42 AM »
##Unvote Dormio

Serela

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #956 on: September 28, 2013, 03:51:58 AM »
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you're just interested in doing polite things and keeping up appearances.
this is still pretty much the opposite of what I was doing though because I was saying things like "making a case would only be for looking better" so then I completely skip making a case.

In fact, I've been doing this since d2.

My play this game looks absolutely horrible because I haven't bothered to verbally justify almost anything I've done :V

And I wasn't just voting you because I don't like you face or something. I don't significantly agree with most (if any) of your points against Dormio. But, yeah, him lying about the restriction is kind of a deal-breaker. :T

cut by BARD WHY
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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #957 on: September 28, 2013, 04:00:26 AM »
Serela, do you honestly believe that "a technicality" is the reason you're not lynching me today? Are you that fucking dense?

You're not lynching me because I hate giving up and will continuously read people of who I am sure they are scum so that I can justify it. Unlike you, I did not decide that anyone, someone, is Town and then stop reading them completely.

And after this full fucking retard, do you honestly believe I will let you quicklynch Dormio and get into LYLO in full fucking apathy mode without at least making clear why BT is the final scum?

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #958 on: September 28, 2013, 04:03:21 AM »
Or actually I should probably read Conq and BT completely to write out why either or is scum, as I just realise my logic for BT scum makes no sense.

But I refuse to let them kill me tonight without having analysed either in detail and working out why one is scum over the other.

Not after that stunt of yours.

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My responses were bad as Bard just pointed out in a cut, because I was getting to the point of trying to justify things I had already stopped caring about.

Fucking MOTK Mafia.

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Re: Mirai Nikki Mafia (Day 5 LYLO)
« Reply #959 on: September 28, 2013, 04:13:14 AM »
I didn't foresee Dormio messing up his PR and revealing it was a lie, which was pretty much the only thing I can imagine would have convinced me at this point >_>

You act like I'm not reading, when in actuality I really did read all your points and look at the parts of the game you're referencing and just plain don't agree. From a scumhunting standpoint, I still entirely disagree with your case on why Dormio is scum.

You're assuming that just because I'm being too lazy to explain things I'm actually not paying attention to them at all, when I simply have a viewpoint that is more or less a complete 180 from yours despite having read the game.
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