Touhou Accomplishment Thread 21: Time to go FULL SHMUP

[Zengeku]

You could always do both.  :3

I would at least recommend you do as Karisa suggested and look up the scoring mechanics so you at least know what's going on. The general attitude I take towards scoring is that I try to do the things that gives you points, I barely ever restart and I rely almost entirely on improvization due to lackluster practice options.

Basically, even if you go do survival runs, you would maybe gain something positive from at least looking up the scoring mechanics. If you want to do full on No-bombs runs, I wish you good luck. No matter what route you take you can find advice from helpful players from IRC channels #kusoplay or #pc99 on Rizon if you're interested.

[Mr Jovial]

By "look up the scoring mechanics" do you mean, for example, I should look up how graze interacts with point item value or do you mean that I should look up how that interaction is used to improve score (which would be the spots where graze could be farmed if the example of graze is used again).

Also, the other reason I can't really do score runs is because sometimes the character doesn't stop shooting when I release the shot key (Z) so I can't stop shooting when I need to (eg to farm graze, fill UFOs, etc). It seems quite common to farm graze in score runs by leaving the boss very close to death but I would lose considerable scoring potential because I couldn't do that smoothly. Didn't post about it in tech support because its not something that only happens  in Touhou.

[chum]

Not only would that make score running pretty much impossible, but it may also ruin some of the games completely such as the phantasmagorias, photography games and GFW. Hope you get that problem fixed.

I think by scoring mechanics he meant the former, the latter doesn't need to be looked into unless you like the mechanics in the first place IMO.

[Zengeku]

Yeah, i just meant that you should know a few things about how it works. For example, it doesn't hurt to try some unfocused grazing when you have borders in PCB, to try and cancel bullets for time in IN or in the case of SA, to suicide a few lives away to do some easy graze milking on Parsee. I improved my score by 400 million just by suiciding on one of her nons iirc.

[Karisa]

Also this is apparently a pretty good score somehow. I'm guessing clear bonus is pretty huge in this.

It's probably spell bonuses, which a no-bomb run naturally earns more of than a basic 1cc. Remaining lives are only 10m (except in Extra), while DDC's spell bonuses are quite large, particularly for (as it seems so far at least) the lowest-scoring standard Touhou game since EoSD.

Probably going to go with the survival route. I don't like safespotting at all and scoring pretty much requires it. I also don't like using shot types which I personally consider overpowered since they're usually used on scoreruns (eg I thought UFO's Sanae B was OP though there will probably be those who disagree). Also, I always hated managing bombs so you don't waste them so no bombs should feel quite refreshing. Might scorerun in the future though.

Sounds like you're not very interested in the route planning (which in most games includes bomb planning among other things) scoring involves. Though you also seem to be overestimating the frequency of safespotting for score. (It's not all about grazing either; even SA has other aspects.) Also, each shot type is its own scoring category; if some seem more common, it's because people tend to use the shot types they're already familiar with.

I still recommend you try it though. So many people seem to reject scoring without trying for themselves (often because they're intimidated by the advanced techniques they don't need when they're learning the scoring systems, sort of like expecting to need Lunatic survival skills to 1cc Normal, since the difference between, say, 1 billion and 1.5 billion is not as immediately obvious as the difference between Normal and Lunatic)... I find it a shame.

If your keyboard has problems with releasing Z, anyway, I hope you can find a fix. Key remapping may be a potential solution.

#pc99 on Rizon

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(Not that it really matters since #pc99 currently contains a redirect message, but #pc99 is probably going to become unregistered from inactivity eventually.)

[Zengeku]

Decided to scratch my plans of MarisaB LNB on DDC as first 1cc of DDC. Threw in a single credit at the game with SakuyaA and cleared Lunatic with 5 lives left. It was mostly a bomb everything resource managy run on everything except Seija and Kagerou.

This game suuuuuuuucks.

--- Anyway, playing as SakuyaA absolutely breaks everything, which isn't a bad thing because outside of Kagerou, Recliner and Seija, this game is worse than TD. Today I just decided that I wanted to at least get a clear over and done with and yes, it did turn out to be as easy as breathing air.

Please ZUN, it's been 3 years since your last good game. What happened?

[Mino ☆]

So many people seem to reject scoring without trying for themselves (often because they're intimidated by the advanced techniques they don't need when they're learning the scoring systems, sort of like expecting to need Lunatic survival skills to 1cc Normal, since the difference between, say, 1 billion and 1.5 billion is not as immediately obvious as the difference between Normal and Lunatic)... I find it a shame.

Most of the reason I don't score is the effort it takes to learn the routes. And the restarts. And the fact that it'll actually take time to get a good score run. I do plan to score. I just, haven't gotten around to it.

And I don't even know what I want to score...

Decided to scratch my plans of MarisaB LNB on DDC as first 1cc of DDC. Threw in a single credit at the game with SakuyaA and cleared Lunatic with 5 lives left. It was mostly a bomb everything resource managy run on everything except Seija and Kagerou.

This game suuuuuuuucks.

--- Anyway, playing as SakuyaA absolutely breaks everything, which isn't a bad thing because outside of Kagerou, Recliner and Seija, this game is worse than TD. Today I just decided that I wanted to at least get a clear over and done with and yes, it did turn out to be as easy as breathing air.

Please ZUN, it's been 3 years since your last good game. What happened?

Oh Zengeku. You must see the light! DDC is a great game! Sukuna is a great boss!

DDC has easily reached third in my favorite Touhou games, right behind PCB and UFO.

[Zengeku]

Oh Zengeku. You must see the light! DDC is a great game! Sukuna is a great boss!

DDC has easily reached third in my favorite Touhou games, right behind PCB and UFO.

Dude, you had TD at that level sometime as well. That's not very convincing. And what, Sukuna is easily the worst part about the game, lol. You are not being a very good missionary for the game. Try harder! 

[Limian]

Finally cleared LLS Extra at long last!

Housewife Marisa approves!

[BT]

Decided to scratch my plans of MarisaB LNB on DDC as first 1cc of DDC. Threw in a single credit at the game with SakuyaA and cleared Lunatic with 5 lives left. It was mostly a bomb everything resource managy run on everything except Seija and Kagerou.

This game suuuuuuuucks.

--- Anyway, playing as SakuyaA absolutely breaks everything, which isn't a bad thing because outside of Kagerou, Recliner and Seija, this game is worse than TD. Today I just decided that I wanted to at least get a clear over and done with and yes, it did turn out to be as easy as breathing air.

Please ZUN, it's been 3 years since your last good game. What happened?

Yeah okay it's not worse than TD though what are you talking about.

Finally cleared LLS Extra at long last!

Housewife Marisa approves!

I approve of Housewife Marisa.

[Formless God]

Let's see
- Stages suck. All of them.
- Probably the worst game in terms of resource.
- Terrible Stage 2 boss (which is a shame since the patterns looked cool and the BGM is sexy); Stage 6 boss is also cocks just like IN
On the bright side, scoring is fun to execute, it's got the best Stage 3 boss and Stage 4 bosses and Seija isn't too bad either. I'd say it's the second weakest 3rd gen 2hu, next to

Spoiler:

MoF.

[Zengeku]

Yeah okay it's not worse than TD though what are you talking about.

Stage 1 is terrible in both cases. Stage 2 in Ten Desires wins for me by at least having Kyouko who's a considerably more fun boss than Sekibanki imo. Sekibanki is a completely stupid time waster whose only purpose is for scoreplayers to bomb her nons to oblivion to raise PIV. Stage 3 wins in DDC both in terms of it Stage and boss fight, i'll give it that much but then players are forcefed an avalanche of diarrhea in the shape of DDC Stage 4 which I find to be complete garbage whereas it was actually pretty decent in TD. Stage 4 bosses, yeah okay Recliner beats out Seiga but Benben doesn't so it's a bit depending on the shot you use here. Stage 5... yeah, i guess it's better than Ten Desires too however not by too much. Stage 6 is awful, awful, awful. I think Miko is a way superior boss to Sukuna and I seriously dislike Miko.

The scoring is XXX instead of XXC. It doesn't do enough to reward PoC'ing instead of just bombing for the points. Most of the shottypes are either broken or bad. I dunno what this game has that makes it not Ten Desires tier. I suppose it doesn't have trances but that's about it.

[BT]

Stage-by-stage comparison is a habit that needs to go die somewhere. I think the game's stages are enjoyable and the bosses are good... aside from Shinmyoumaru's second half which is the great legendary pile of shit, but, yeah. Game has a system that at the very least doesn't repel you like TD's does.

[Helepolis]

Ladies and gentlepeople,

This isn't your local You-are-wrong, X-touhou-(doesn't)-sucks because (ry..... thread.

Post accomplishments, high five at each other or shake hands for those achievements. Keep your subjective viewpoints out of here please. Thanks.

--Helepolis

[Zengeku]

Sure thing, this couldn't possibly have gotten anywhere pleasant anyway.

[Sahgren]

After 123 tries, I finally managed to capture Kaguya's Hourai Jewel on Hard.

Not much, but I'll take what I can get.

[CyberAngel]

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=30256

Hermit Sign "Emperor of the Land of the Rising Sun" (Lunatic). No-focused like a pro :]

[Mr Jovial]

Got my first perfect stage today. Just TD Stage 4 Lunatic so nothing too difficult but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't quite proud of it. Amazes me that a year ago I had trouble getting to stage 4 on normal 

[Zengeku]

There are easier Stage 4's. Otsukaresama!

Let's see more from you Mr. Jovial.

[ARF]

Found a way to grab a 2.0+0.5 on the first waves of enemies on stage 4 DDC with SakuyaB instead of the 0.8+0.5+1.2 that the Easy WR uses o/

Using this strat ReimuA can grab 2.0's all the way to the 4 laser spread orbs before the title screen.

[chirpy13]

DDC Lunatic clear

Spoiler:

with MarisaB

5th credit I think this was.  Marisa op.

[RegretDesi]

I just 1cced SA Easy with every shot type!
Now time to move on to Normal!

[I have no name]

Finally got to play DDC, with my left arrow key broken!  Remapped keys to IJKL and gave hard a try.
Seija's final was where the attempt ended, not bad for having never seen the game before.  Followed it up with a normal 1cc with 5 lives left (both ReimuB), then ReimuA (1 life because I tried capturing everything, but perfect first 3 stages) and SakuyaA (4 lives, perfect normal Seija, 4DNB Sukuna w/ 3 to the survival) before trying the extra stage...which I cleared on the 3rd credit past the opening streaming with ReimuA, 1 life to spare.  Pretty fun game, good system , nice and challenging without being in your face impossible (though it might be because I haven't done much with lunatic yet, and because I haven't played much yet) and one of the best extra bosses.

Oh and I captured all the extra cards in 4 tries or less except the final (6 tries, all deaths to note phase) and the survival, which took 16-with all but one failure to <13 seconds left.

[Monkeypro257]

Captured all spells in IN in stage 1,2,3,4B,4B,5and 6A!

Kaguya's last spells are annoying and Mokou's "Imperishable Shooting" drives me crazy!

[FleetingGaze]

Compared to perfecting Subterranean Animism, my accomplishments don't really amount to much. Sure, I could do Lunatic 1cc's on most of the series (4,5,6,7,8,10,11,13,14) and have completed all of the extras (minus SoEW, and done with all shottypes) but...DAT PERFECT. 

Well, I did capture every spell with every character in DDC. (So basically, all spells captured with SakuyaB) Give me some time, and I'll pull a real accomplishment - a Lunatic 1cc of DDC with SakuyaB.

[The Noodles Guy]

1cc'd DDC with both Reimu shottypes. On Easy, because I suck at Normal (except for MoF).

Had to say that I just pressed X while fighting Seija. I have v1.00a, so I could have paused and flipped the screen when required, but I was too lazy :V Sukuna was actualy pretty easy for me, except for that spell in which she makes your hitbox bigger. :ohdear:

[Seppo Hovi]

Oh, nevermind. Your way of wording threw me off and I misunderstood what you meant. Sorry. Feel free to delete this post, janitors.

[Quukii]

Nabbed a perfect SA normal Utusho (boss rush patch). It was my first attempt at seriously perfecting something in Touhou, and I'd have to say it felt really satisfying when I finally met my goal.

[Blue]

So in honor of ⑨ day, I attempted a PoFV run with Cirno on Lunatic. Without having played PoFV in months and with absolutely no experience with Cirno. I gave myself max lives to compensate, but I also used max lives on my Normal runs, so it's pretty much the same. I somehow made it all the way to Shikieiki, so I'm pretty proud of that. Especially when half the time I was at the bottom of the screen and hoping to get lucky.

[I have no name]

Double Spoiler any% for AGDQ practice, 48:22.  63/67 scenes were first or second try.  I need to work on 5-1 and Stage 10 though...maybe I should replace something for 4-7?  I'm just really bad at that scene.  My Stage 8 was really good though...