You Don't Know the Setup Mafia - Game Over!

[Vhaltz]

Wait this was supposed to be a Mitsuki post. WHY IS YOUR ACCOUNT LOGGED IN ON MY MOTHER'S COMPUTER VHALTZ? (@A@)

[Mitsuki]

Are you telling us how to think and behave? Because I want to do different. I don't think your criticism on those points is scumhunting.

So, what is your case now? And what are your opinions on the rest of the game?


Yay, Polaris-kun-sama-san-chan is here \(owo)/

I'm quoting this post which was made by me in Vhaltz's account for ISO purposes.

[Polaris]

micchan please, you only need to call me with one honorific ☆〜（ゝ。∂） no need to go overboard

also zzzzzz beatty-kun just has so many words and i'm really too lazy to read them (Ｔ▽Ｔ) just from a quick skimthrough i'm going to assume all he did is slapfight with conqkyun and micchan about some pointless things since i can't see any scumhunting there. is it because of his other, real-life priorities? or could there be a much darker, more sinister side of beatty-kun that we have yet to see.... ( ・ω・) (tl;dr too many words, not enough scumhunting, but ambivalent b/c ~*~priorities~*~) would at least like a response to conqkyun's question since that'll resolve this pretty neatly.

i was going to say conqkyun isn't much better in re the whole slapfight thing but i guess he is getting out more content as far as i can tell. you're off the hook this time ( ?・‿-)～

i don't feel like reading micchan because of temporary double-headed syndrome. it looks like it's been taken care of, but unfortunately the past cannot be changed. (Ｔ▽Ｔ) i still don't think there's anything wrong with micchan though

[Conqueror]

polaris how sure are you about serela scum?

[Polaris]

like 66 percent `_`

66 being an arbitrary number x such that scumminess-factor of p for the set of all players {p | p != serela, p != polaris} is less than x

[Polaris]

i don't know why i put p != polaris in there seeing as my own scumminess factor is less than serela's. *ROLLS EYES*

[NekoNekoRex]

Are you telling us how to think and behave? Because I want to do different. I don't think your criticism on those points is scumhunting.

So, what is your case now? And what are your opinions on the rest of the game?


Yay, Polaris-kun-sama-san-chan is here \(owo)/

If you're going to be playing as a team, then saying the other head is a separate entity is pointless, because either I have to suspect both of you or neither of you, and you both being contradictory and trying to defend it only makes you both less reliable.

Your posts have been a bit too on the emotional side as well. Your accusations that I'm getting offended or that others are "leaving you with no D1 cases to pursue" aren't making me want to back off either, and don't particularly look like frustrated townie responses moreso then scum trying to guilt-trip people off your case.

Your meta arguments from earlier are not only contradictory, but neither of them make sense. You claim your use of Validon meta was "neutral" but why did you defend him with meta in the first place? Your insisting that Conq was scum for dropping the meta contradicts statements your other head made, and you rampantly push it over better reasons you could be coming up with to vote Conq, which screams desperate "scumhunting" efforts on your part.

After enough pushing, one of you finally drops Conq to persue the lurker newbie, which is a pretty lame out to take. The other one FoS's Serela, who actually has been posting, but your vote doesn't change (only then does CF7 conveniently come back so you can push him more). A prodvote this late in the day is at best a desperate park, imo.

Anyway I'm still pretty happy with my vote, all things considered. I need to look into Serela more though, and maybe BT since I don't have a really comprehensive opinion on him (although my gut leans scum)

[Serela]

Going to bed. Will definitely be back before deadline, even if it's only by like one hour.

[BT]

Conq you're expecting from me things that I don't have the time for.

"Following the thread" in this case is ignoring most of the posts that don't seem to be addressing me, and even when that doesn't happen I usually just skim the important part and that's it.

You're voting me for things which are caused directly by a non-alignment-indicative problem. I feel like none of those points would have existed given a different situation.

As things stand I'll finally have my plate full when it's two hours from deadline, which won't be enough. Do what you will with that information.

[Polaris]

well i'd like to announce to y'all that i will not, in fact, be available at the deadline （　ﾟ Дﾟ）so i hope you guys can get things done in my absence.

now i'm not saying we should lynch serela-tan, but i think we should lynch serela-tan. ლ(╹◡╹ლ) i honestly don't think either micchan or beatty-kun are worse than serela-tan at this point, and like those are the only viable wagons so i'm not even going to touch on anyone else for now.

so yeah. i don't really have anything new to offer. sorry.  (▰˘◡˘▰)

[SB]

Will be around for deadline, but right now I just can't catch up till my puppy stops trying o chew me and goes to sleep. Shouldb't be long though.

[CF7]

And here's the relevant part! Here sweet dear CF7 says that he thinks Shadormio is town because there's nothing in his posts that makes them look scummy, even when he gave reasoning before and that's quite the only thing he's done in this game prior to this post. Do I need to explain why this is scummy?

Somehow you didn't read my post directly above, where i said that i dismissed that vote as an odd vote, i.e. it was sort of a joke vote of a first day. And aside from that

Also, guess who his new scumspects are? Popular targets, Serela and us. Quite convenient.

Quite. Not counting the fact, that it's not the only me who finds your behavior suspicious.

Well, could you at least say what you're interpreting as an overreaction so that we can at least explain what happened? You just stated that (which is really weak reasoning btw, as lots of people have overreacted in this game so far and I don't think neither Vhaltz or I are one of those. Scum or not, you're only focusing on us because it's convenient - groupthink) and gave no clue on what you meant. So I ask you: from what we did, what do you think is an overreaction? And why do you think it's scummy? I think town are the ones that overreact more, by the way, unless the overreaction is faked to gain towncred (as we thought about Conqueror at some point).
CF7's behaviour just now is very scummy in my opinion, so in addition to my/SB's case I'm totally fine with my vote.

It's yours and Vhlatz posts 99 and 100 respectively. It's just the beginning of the day. Somehow you concluded that Conqueror is acting strange, "not in character" and that's weird as hell.

And then there's this.

Here Conqueror says he understands NNR's logic, but gives the fact that NNR wasn't the one to explicitly state it as a valid point to keep suspecting him. Why? You're supposed to understand the reasoning, and you don't say you find it suspicious. Even if you cover it with words your suspicions are just based on the fact that he was misunderstood. However, how is being misunderstood scummy? It doesn't seem like you're saying that explanation was made up later, which clearly looks like something very unlikely.
I think that's quite an unnatural train of thought and something very convenient for scum to do. It lets you give up the vote for a better wagon but you can always go back to voting NNR if people vote him again (and I think he's an easy target).
##Unvote
##Vote: Conqueror/PX

You suspect Conq because of his "vote-hopping" and how it is convenient. And it's still that beginning of the day 1 phase. I might be wrong and overreacting myself, but well, that's how i see things.

And then there's me vs you.

[Mitsuki]

Vhaltz is sleeping, so he can't check my posts for mistakes now.


That's it, I'm stopping answering to NNR. I get the feeling that he's just suspecting us because he doesn't like us while misinterpreting and that's not going to change no matter how hard I try. I prefer not to waste my time. (=w=u
Anyways, if someone else thinks that I should answer to some point because they think there's something relevant on his reasoning I'll do it.

Somehow you didn't read my post directly above, where i said that i dismissed that vote as an odd vote, i.e. it was sort of a joke vote of a first day.

It wasn't a vote, it was scumhunting because you were using scumhunting logic, don't try to paint things as what they aren't. You never got to explain properly the unvote and just said Shadormio were not suspicious at all for you on your following post because they had done nothing scummy. See the contradiction? I'm sorry, but I'm quite sure that even newbies won't do that as town. I didn't.
Either way, you didn't read my post, that's why you don't know the reason why I didn't read your post. (And even now that I've read it I still think the same way)

It's yours and Vhlatz posts 99 and 100 respectively. It's just the beginning of the day. Somehow you concluded that Conqueror is acting strange, "not in character" and that's weird as hell.

It was just the beginning of the day... yet we were scumhunting! How do you think RVS should end anyways? (=w=u


I might be fine with a Serela lynch, Vhaltz thinks he has decent chances of being scum and I saw a coulpe weird things at some point but dismissed them as irrelevant. I'm going to read him now.

[Mitsuki]

I've just finished reading Serela and BT. I honestly don't think any of the wagons has decent chances of hitting scum. Still, I'll vote if needed (preferably Serela, I think BT will post more relevant content)

Vhaltz is also doing ISOs so this might change.

[Shadoweh]

Serela's wagon didn't change because Bard-Polaris was already voting for Serela as Validon.
Holy fuck how is it 5 hours before deadline and no one has asked for a claim from the main wagons. Vhaltz/Mitsuki should claim, they're actually the highest wagon right now. Serela claiming would be cool with me too because I never get tired of beating Serela with a rock, also because he seems like the likely consolation prize.

[Mitsuki]

I don't think we should claim. We're at L-2 but I don't think we're getting lynched today.

Shadoweh, what do you think of the three main wagons right now?

[Shadoweh]

I think you're in more danger then you think but I don't really want to vote you. I think Dormio finds you much more suspicious then me. I think BT should be lynched for his not gonna bother posts, they're impossible to read from an alignment perspective. I don't think Serela is a bad consolidation option, he didn't seem legit to me earlier.

I think banging these all out now with no claims is really bad. I'm going to sleep so I hope everyone jumps on the BT-wagon or else!

[Mitsuki]

Vhaltz has written this and paraphrasing it would take too much time:

I don't think I want to lynch BT over Serela. Conq asked BT for gutreads which he could've easily made up as scum to appease the wagon on him (I don't think he'd underestimate it given what happened last game at consolidation stage D4) but instead he stubbornly continues his point about not having read the thread beyond things regarding himself, which only makes it easier for him to get lynched. There's also how his post where he votes Conq seems to be full of mentions about Mitsuki that are worded in a waffly way, like he's convinced that the Vhaltz in the hydra is town but he's not sure about the Mitsuki head and he's trying to convince himself that we're town as a whole because he thought I was right with my case. I don't think that's an easy thing to fake as scum, and on top of that he'd be gambling on his lynch. Not quite convinced he's town but still.

Serela on the other hand has promised rereads lately but left instead without coming up with anything close to reads coupled with reasoning in the game. His scumhunting ED1 amounts to "this and that are silly here's my vote" and his scumhunting as of lately consists of a few isolated pokes and an opportunistic and lazy vote on us that Conq has chastised him for but he refuses to let go of for apparently no reason even after acknowledging all of his points. It feels like he's just taking advantage of the fact that Conq's reply is coaching instead of a vote, tells him he's correct so that he'll be happy that he listened to him and he just let his vote sit where it is anyway because a):effort: or b) convenient placing for vote as scum towards the end of D1.

I'm not convinced that he's scum like I've been times before, but at best he's being very lazy and that laziness could be hiding scum intent. I'd much rather vote him over BT.

[Mitsuki]

Also: ##Vote: Serela

This is the best I can do right now.

[ActionDan]

Getting close to Deadline Vountcount 1.8

BT (2) -  Conq/PX, Shadoweh/Dormio
CF7 (0) -
Polaris (0) -
Serela (3) - SB, Polaris, Vhaltz/Mitsuki
SB (0) -
Conq/PX (1) - BT
NNR (0) -
Vhaltz/Mitsuki (3) - NNR, Serela, CF7
Shadoweh/Dormio (0) - 

Vhaltz/Mitsuki are at L-2!
Serela is at L-2!
Not Voting (0) -

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch or no-lynch

~2 hours 20 minutes left!
Day 1 Deadline Countdown

[BT]

##Unvote

Home.

[NekoNekoRex]

Muh, I'm awake, although not very...

[Serela]

I'm going to be here for 40 minutes, but I have to stuff my face and take a shower and get ready for work during most of it, so don't expect much more then possible voteswaps. I'm okay with consolidating onto BT although I'd be happier lynching VM.

Oh right claiming! I'm vanilla town  :fail:

[SB]

I'm here. Could wagon VM in a pinch, wouldn't wagon BT. Prefer Serela still, the claim doesn't really mean much to me.

[BT]

I think you're in more danger then you think but I don't really want to vote you. I think Dormio finds you much more suspicious then me. I think BT should be lynched for his not gonna bother posts, they're impossible to read from an alignment perspective. I don't think Serela is a bad consolidation option, he didn't seem legit to me earlier.

I think banging these all out now with no claims is really bad. I'm going to sleep so I hope everyone jumps on the BT-wagon or else!

>other head has feelings for other wagon
>"[bt's posts are] impossible to read"
>"i hope everyone jumps on bt"
>leaves with vote on bt

Seriously.

How many people are actually here?

[BT]

btw I'm only on page 6 so these are fun times.

[Serela]

I would vote Shadoweh if it wasn't that she's part of a hydra and it's just that Dormio is pulling most of the weight.

The fact that Shadoweh is the one using the vote despite it possibly contradicting Dormio kind of makes me :/ though.

This is an odd situation so I'm not sure how I'm supposed to react to it.

[Serela]

I guess what I'm getting at is "Is this hydra dissonance where Dormio does good things but Shadoweh controls the vote and does not-so-great things whilst Dormio's words keep the slot looking mostly fine?"

the question mark is relevant because I'm not sure.

[ActionDan]

1 hour 8 minutes left!

[BT]

No it's not fine. I was just about to reply with that myself. I'm extremely confused at how Shadoweh ended up controlling the vote.