Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F

[Kuilfrayt]

I was just curious if it was possible.

And I've checked a bit on how to update the assembly file to a new memory block, and nooooooooope, not even gonna try it. I'll leave that to you your tool, cause I know for a fact I will mess this up.

[Kirin no Sora]

Um, kuilfrayt...

I don't mean to nitpick, but Rinnosuke is missing among the pictures at present. I'm pretty sure that it's just a glitch or something on the wiki's part, but I figure that I should mention it anyway.

By the way, all the other pics look great. The LoT2 people really do their art well, that they do.

[Kuilfrayt]

Yeaaaaaa I know.... basically, what happened was I clicked on the red link, and it brought me to pool.touhouwiki.net and I uploaded it there. The reason why I didn't know the first Reimu picture worked was because I did it this way too, and it didn't seem to do any changes, but then it's now appeared. The rest of the picture I did correctly, but now the name for Rinnosuke is already used, it will either go through after a while, or someone'll have to change it, I'm not sure how pool.touhouwiki works

[The Krve]

At least there are skills from sub classes now so Remilia won't be a one trick pony anymore.

Spoiler:

;_;

[Ghaleon]

At least there are skills from sub classes now so Remilia won't be a one trick pony anymore.

Spoiler:

;_;

Wait, remi is confirmed in the game now? yayyy. I figured she would get in but I never saw a definitive yes yet.

[Validon98]

Ugh, why does Minoriko have to be one of the few people on the wiki whose recruitment information is missing? What do you have to do to get her, and does having her get rid of the bush blocking the way to the F4 stairs?

EDIT: Okay, nevermind, had to see that Yukari and Yuyuko event. Something tells me we'll have to fight them on a much later floor.

[Axel Ryman]

Yeah I'm wondering what her requirements are since she's one of the few I'm missing.

Spoiler:

And Aya, but I think that's cause of the recruitment bug.

I'm guessing she's like Rumia where you need a specific Item or Items.

[Sungho]

To recruit Minoriko in Labyrinth of Touhou 2, you need 3 大樹の葉っぱ.

[Kirin no Sora]

Wait, remi is confirmed in the game now? yayyy. I figured she would get in but I never saw a definitive yes yet.

Everyone from LoT1 will be returning in this game(although I actually would question the notion of Maribel and Renko coming back, unless they're part of the plot of this game as they were in LoT1, but that's my opinion), so you can use virtually every team formation that you had used previously.

That said, I would think that Remilia would be given more that her "Spear the Gungnir" as a attack spell this time, as she could really use it. Maybe "Red the Nightless Castle" or something...

Ugh, why does Minoriko have to be one of the few people on the wiki whose recruitment information is missing? What do you have to do to get her, and does having her get rid of the bush blocking the way to the F4 stairs?

EDIT: Okay, nevermind, had to see that Yukari and Yuyuko event. Something tells me we'll have to fight them on a much later floor.

I've been ninja'd... Multi-ninja'd even. Sigh.

And yes, Minoriko's requirements are missing from the wiki. Also, do you need to get Minoriko to gain access to the Komachi fight? (Unless I'm misinterpreting those words, the bush is keeping you from going to the stairs to 4F, which is where Komachi is waiting...)

Also, something that has been bothering me. What does "Attribute Boost" actually raise? Does it raise all stats(HP, MP, ATT, DEF, MAG, MND, SPD, EVA), or...?

[Axel Ryman]

And yes, Minoriko's requirements are missing from the wiki. Also, do you need to get Minoriko to gain access to the Komachi fight? (Unless I'm misinterpreting those words, the bush is keeping you from going to the stairs to 4F, which is where Komachi is waiting...)

No you just need to do an encounter to the far north side of the map.

[Kirin no Sora]

Oh, okay. Didn't know.

Now, I don't want to be insistent about this, but I really am curious about what exactly "Attribute Boost" increases. Can anyone tell me?

[Kuilfrayt]

I didnt put Minoriko's consitions because i didnt translate them and i dont really know what i did to get her.

So, because I'm someone very consistent with my translations, I used Attributes, Resistances, Ailments, Status Effects and probably even more stuff interchangebly (because Im just that good) attribute Boost increases all resistances (fir, cld, wnd, etc. but not ailments like psn, par, etc)

I really should work on keeping the same terms eh.......

[Kirin no Sora]

...I suspected that it meant raising elemental affinities, rather than all basic stats. Thanks for the confirmation.

Also, is it possible to increase elemental affinities with Skill Points, like you could in LoT1? And I presume that ailment resistance cannot be improved in the same way, just as before?

Also, the gameplay section says that EVA can't be raised via leveling, level up bonuses, or Skill Points. Given this, does that mean that EVA, outside of Evasion Boost, cannot be raised at all? Does the "4 unused skill points = 1% boost in all stats" effect apply to EVA as well?

Also, I noticed that there are no spells that give a buff to EVA presently. Does Hina's "Biorhythm of the Misfortune God" cause a debuff in said stat? It could indicate whether or not the game will even let you mess with it at all during battle.

Edit: I tend to use the word "also" a lot, don't I?

[Axel Ryman]

...I suspected that it meant raising elemental affinities, rather than all basic stats. Thanks for the confirmation.

Also, is it possible to increase elemental affinities with Skill Points, like you could in LoT1? And I presume that ailment resistance cannot be improved in the same way, just as before?

Yes you can use Gold to raise them like you could in LoT1 with Skill Points.

Also, the gameplay section says that EVA can't be raised via leveling, level up bonuses, or Skill Points. Given this, does that mean that EVA, outside of Evasion Boost, cannot be raised at all? Does the "4 unused skill points = 1% boost in all stats" effect apply to EVA as well?

Also, I noticed that there are no spells that give a buff to EVA presently. Does Hina's "Biorhythm of the Misfortune God" cause a debuff in said stat? It could indicate whether or not the game will even let you mess with it at all during battle.

You can raise it with Equips. I know there is a Main Equip that has +20 Evasion. Not sure on Sub Equips at the moment.

[Kirin no Sora]

You can raise it with Equips. I know there is a Main Equip that has +20 Evasion. Not sure on Sub Equips at the moment.

...I should of mentioned that I already knew that equips could boost EVA. -_-;

Still, my question about whether EVA can be debuffed via Hina's spellcard hasn't been answered, so there's that.

To be honest, if the answer is no, then that would explain the removal of Chen's "Soaring Guardian God" spellcard...

Also, Momiji has a skill that boosts accuracy for the active party when she's there. Does accuracy also determine if you'll pull off a critical hit? And are there equips that boost accuracy, by chance?

[Kuilfrayt]

There are equipments that can boost Accuracy yea. But its a weird stat, there is no true value for it (as in, no way to actually know what amount a character has, as well as no explicit description for it). Its also put as hit on spells and items (written in japanese as 命中)

There are a few sub items with EVA on them if I recall correctly, you can check on my excel file to know for sure

[Serela]

Kuilfrayt:I don't think character's really have an "amount" of accuracy, or at least, not in a way you'd have to worry about; I think it's safe to assume every single character has 100 accuracy. Of course, if you can boost it with equipment, that's a thing, but.

Maybe Sakuya's accurate spells will actually be worth something in this game.

[The Krve]

C84 is going to be one hell of a ride, gentlemen, with all the new stuff coming out : DDC, this and Bose's new game.  :3 :3 :3 :3 :3 :3
Shame that we don't have our very own scout sergeant to go to the event itself.

[Kuilfrayt]

There is a few items that give Hit, but I can't say I really know how it works fully.

Spoiler:

Also, it doesn't seem that Sakuya's spell have any bonus hit anymore. Misdirection is the same, Killing Doll is DRK element, Soul Sculpture is WND, Lunar Clock is the same, just different name, and The World is replaced with Perfect Square, which increases all her stats instead of just SPD. So while all her attacks her direct attack (benefits from ATK), except Soul Sculpture which is composite, her attacks will be able to damage enemies which are very high defense because they have an element

[Ghaleon]

There is a few items that give Hit, but I can't say I really know how it works fully.

Spoiler:

Also, it doesn't seem that Sakuya's spell have any bonus hit anymore. Misdirection is the same, Killing Doll is DRK element, Soul Sculpture is WND, Lunar Clock is the same, just different name, and The World is replaced with Perfect Square, which increases all her stats instead of just SPD. So while all her attacks her direct attack (benefits from ATK), except Soul Sculpture which is composite, her attacks will be able to damage enemies which are very high defense because they have an element

Not sure why spoiler but whatever

Spoiler:

unless it changed somehow in laby 2, having an element does NOT help you pierce defenses

[Kuilfrayt]

I'm putting spoilers on characters that we've found using the cheat file, since it's not available on the trial right now

Elements may not pierce defenses, but if an enemy is very resistant against 1 type of element, you at least have other options to deal damage, that's what I meant to say, I just badly put it

[Kirin no Sora]

Spoiler:

They do if they're weak to said element, physical type included. Also, maybe she can be given the skill "Arm Twisting"(ignore enemy resistance) or "Piercing Attack"(deal damage even to high defense enemies) to aid in harming foes?

Also, on an unrelated note, does Komachi do damage with her "Narrow Confines of Avici" spellcard during her boss fight? Because if she doesn't, then that be worth knowing in terms of strategy...

Edit: Ninja'd again...

Anyways, I have another question as well. Since EVA cannot be boosted via leveling, level up bonuses, or skill points... Can EVA be boosted in the Magic Library via the use of gold? I know that equips and certain skills can raise EVA, but I wanted to ask if there was a way to increase the stat in yet another way...

[Kuilfrayt]

No, it's not in the Magic Library, and unless it's something you can unlock later on, EVA will only be able to be boosted by some characters with the EVA Boost Skill, and it is also found in Tome of Enlightenment to make character who don't have it be able to boost that stat. It also boost by quite a lot, on Aya, it went from 60 to 90 when I put all 5 points in.

Spoiler:

Right now she does have the skill Piercing Attack, but not Arm Twisting, though it's still all subject to change. She can't be "given" the skill, like you can make characters learn a new Boost Skill with the Tome of Enlightenment.

Yes Narrow Confines of Avici deals damage when she faces you as a boss

Also, do people mind if I put large spoilers on what I find in the text dump. Some people might find it interesting, otherwise I'll leave it be until it's out.

[Validon98]

Well, Eiki beaten at Reimu 267, I believe. And then Maribel Version 2 beaten at Reimu 273. I just need to go back and fight Yuuka and Utsuho and I will have all 40 characters. Also, F27 GRINDING SO MUCH SKILL POINTS THANK YOU LILITHS. ^^;

[Ghaleon]

I just hope the final floor in laby 2 doesn't require a bigger grind than the rest of the entire game combined....Actually I hope it needs less than 1/4 of the entire game combined.

[Smashy]

If it's like the final floor of the normal game, that's not that terrible since the floor's encounters itself are at least POSSIBLE

(Hi there file with lvl 325 Reimu that can only take a select few 30F encounters)

[Hawk]

I think 30F fails not necessarily because the grind is so long (although that could certainly be a part of it), but rather that the grind is so boring.

1. Press M
2. Move a square
3. Fight
4. Repeat until you feel uncomfortable

Do that a billion times.

I'd much rather see something that could be construed as a "run".  Imagine the floor was a large labyrinth with a bunch of switches and a boss at the end that respawned every time you entered.  If you got to the boss and defeated him, you'd get a large payload of XP and skill points based on how many switches you turned on that run.  The idea would be that you'd, over time, get stronger and thus able to take more diversions to turn on switches and still successfully kill the boss.

While the idea is the same (grind grind grind), I think I'd have a lot more fun doing that than the aforementioned step-battle-step-battle routine.

Edit: Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss



Marisa with the Master Spark victory.

Tenshi, Rumia, Shikieiki, Kaguya handled 95% of the battle.  Once he got a lucky shot onto Kaguya, it became a game of "rotate the benchwarmers".

I guess the good thing about Winny having so many moves is that there's a good chance he won't use any of the scary ones.

For those just tuning in, this was a "random party" run, where I wrote a program to give me a randomly assorted team of 12 out of the 40 available.  The team I got was:

Marisa
Alice
Rumia
Aya
Tenshi
Flandre
Kaguya
Yuyuko
Maribel
Utsuho
Mystia
Shikieiki

Clocked in at 83:25:26.

Might as well share some thoughts on the characters I got to know very well.

The Greats

Tenshi: Well, I didn't have much choice for tanks as it is, but that doesn't mean Tenshi didn't wall it up anyway.  She was one of the last to overcome her SP limitations, but she's not a sweeper by any means so it generally only mattered in the really long battles.  Alternated DEF and MND level up bonuses.
Mystia: Fantastic non-elemental sweeping, pretty good non-elemental boss plinking, my best poison and paralysis on a multi-target move, and my only form of status ailment healing--wonderful.  All ATK bonus levels.  Probably could've gone for a tank build, since I didn't have a really solid slot 2 for the entire game, but I regret nothing.
Shikieiki: Really only started to come into play near the end of the main game, but truly ridiculous from that point on.  Once you've got the SP to judge, you freaking judge.  Her + Kaguya is one of the strongest things I've seen in LoT1.  A +80% ATK Shikieiki judging you every 5000 delay is ridiculous.  She ended the game with 3 Gurthangs, which meant she had terrible PAR resistance.  Oh wait, Buddha doesn't care!  All ATK bonus levels, of course.  She was doing 4 million damage a pop vs Winny.  Oh, and if the enemy is weak to debuffs, she brings it home.
Kaguya: If Buddha's Stone Bowl wasn't ridiculous enough, Kaguya sweeps like a boss with Hourai Barrage.  Her other 3 skills didn't see much play (and Dragon's Necklace, uh, none?), but that doesn't really matter.  Pure MAG bonus levels.  If I did it again, I'd probably go pure MND tank, since Buddha doesn't care, but Hourai Barrage is still incredibly useful, so I dunno.

The Goods

Yuyuko: Saigyouji Flawless Nirvana can compete with Hourai Barrage in terms of damage if the enemy doesn't have super MND, and even against enemies that shut her out, her ATB damage is unmitigatable.  It's too bad she's so slow.  Pure MAG bonus levels.
Flandre: Do I even really need to say it?  Pure ATK bonus levels.  Ended the game with 3 Rhododendron Dresses.
Marisa: Starts the game as an excellent sweeper, ends the game as an excellent nuker.  Ended the game with 3 Eggs, giving her 92% regen.  Since you only need 1160 to optimize Master Spark, you can definitely shoots out tons of damage in a single battle this way.  Pure MAG bonus levels.
Rumia: My only healing, and her and Mystia made sure no one on my team was ever debuffed.  She was instrumental to many boss fights.
Aya: I'd always passed up Aya for Chen in my other runs, and, after this run, I would probably do the same.  However, just because Chen is god tier doesn't mean Aya doesn't have her uses.  While WND is generally a shitty element, Sarutahiko's Guidance was incredibly useful for buffing Rumia for more heals, and--you guessed it--Kaguya's speed so she could give Shikieiki more turns.  It's roundabout, but damn it it works!  She also had good uses as a sweeper early to mid game.  Pure ATK bonus levels.  Would probably do SPD if I had her again.

The Awww...s

Utsuho: Poor SP growth, which is bad because you need to cast her spells a bunch of times to get her doing damage comparable to everyone else.  Debuffs herself (although that was not much of an issue with Rumia and Mystia).  Awful ailment resistances, too.  While her MAG stat is high, her level rate is low so she breaks even mostly.  But her ability equations are really lackluster, which accounts for the low damage even at +80% MAG.  Pure MAG bonus levels.
Alice: I have no idea why you'd ever have Alice in your team past Rinny.  She gets points for sweeping effectively in the early game, but she does very little past that.  Her boss nuke doesn't hit that hard, and has surprisingly bad delay.  Her debuffs are okay, but have little utility once Shikieiki gets going.  Pure MAG bonus levels.
Maribel: Um.  What?  Could sometimes sit in slot 2.  Pure MAG bonus levels.

I want to finish out my inventory before I call it quits, which means I need the 3 final boss drops and Yukari's drop.  Shouldn't take tooooooooooooooooo long...I hope?

[Xarizzar]

Winner's drop will take you some time. Serpent of Chaos and Hibachi Twins, not so much. I got it on my second try for Serpent of Chaos. and third try for Hibachi Twins.

[I have no name]

All 3 of those drops are base 10%-I just reset until I got them, which happened to be first try on each  :V

[Serela]

Alice is good endgame as a tanky attacker. She's very durable as you get into postgame, as opposed to most attackers which are pretty glassy. Her DEF isn't half-bad either, although obviously you don't stick her in the first two slots. I actually used her all the way through on my Special Disk playthrough, and didn't regret it for a second, leaving her in all the way to Winner while debating if I should rearrange (which I mostly only did with putting in Yuyuko)

I guess when your only DEF/MND buffs are Tenshi's selfbuff, though, then it's kind of hard to see alternative tankiness...

Aya is really good in postgame for offense if you have Iku, but you didn't, so her damage would be pitiful. Even against the several 150~200 WND resist plus disk bosses, her damage output is still comparable to other attackers, and she's basically what Chen is in MainGame without the ability to buff her own ATK. SPD buffs are kind of shitty late in the game anyway, because of scaling. (But, yes, without buffs she has too much DEF to go through on enemies)

...Utsuho is irredeemably horrible and Maribel is usable but not as impressive as any alternatives normally, where you'd be assuming you have Keine or Iku to buff offensive stats on the other characters. In this she's probably mostly held back by huge SP costs, but at the end she'd probably be nice... after I realized you had no team defensive buffs I realized why you said she'd take slot 2 sometimes.

You were impressed by Shikieiki, but did you know Nitori's Megawatt does even more damage? :V (It doesn't ignore DEF but it's formula pierces through it very well, so outside of the Hibachi with 1b DEF, she pretty much out-tiers Shikieiki. MAG Build Shiki for her debuffing attack isn't half bad, though...) They really overbuffed Nitori in special. Anyway since you used a randomly assigned party I figure you probably -do- already know this