Labyrinth of Touhou 2 and 10F

[Hawk]

So I think I'm confused regarding subclasses.

Every subclass has one skill that begins with "While the user keeps this subclass...", but the others don't?  Does that mean you keep them if you change subclasses?  And if you do lose them, what happens to the skill points you allocated into them?

[Kuilfrayt]

The first skill is the baseline that comes with the speciality and doesn't cost any skill points (the cost is the stone of awakening itself). All the other abilities are at Lvl 0 and needs skill points to have active, including spells (so no skill points in subclass spells = no new spells for the character)

[Sungho]

自身が前衛左端に配置されている状態で
更に前衛にいるキャラ数が４人の時、受けるダメージが８％減少する。

Basically says:
When the skill holder is in the left side of the front line, and there are 4 people in the front line, reduces damage reduced by 8%.

Doesn't really mention who receives the -8% bonus, but I think it's supposed to be everyone on the front line.

[Hawk]

So if you change subclasses, do you regain the points you've spent on your previous subclass?

[Kuilfrayt]

Yes, anyway, to change subclass you have to go to the magic library where you would reset all your skill points and level up bonus points, so you'll have to redo everything every time you want to change subclass

@sungho Alright I'll put it up, but it was weird, when I tried putting some skill points into it, it didn't show any effect, so maybe it's bugged?

Updated the achievement page on the wiki with everything I could find. Some names/rewards are left in japanese, you can propose a translation here.

[Gesh86]

I think I found what might be a major bug in the current version of the demo: The passive boost-skills that all characters have in different categories (TP boost, MP boost, Attack boost etc.) seem to increase their respective stats when leveled, but seem to decrease EVERY other stat at the same time. I don't think this is intended and the way it is now, it's probably not worth ever spending skill points to increase these (except maybe MP, as those are so hard to come by).

Can someone confirm this please?

[Validon98]

I'm trying the demo again, because I kind of ignored it for a while. I have a bunch of questions, though.
When do you get the ability to craft stuff? I know you can buy stuff at Nitori's place, but I know you can craft there too. Do you need Nitori in your party in order to do so?
Also, how do you get Stones of Awakening in order to switch specialties?
How do you open multiple locked chests? Is there a certain item you need to get in order to unlock multiples of them?
And one last thing before I do end up switching specialties later on: Do the skills of the specialties overwrite those of the base specialty of each character or does it add to their list of skills? I assume it overwrites them but I want to be certain.

EDIT: Nevermind, the wiki says when you unlock item creation. I don't know about anything else, though. ^^;
SECOND EDIT: Um... crap, I don't actually know what materials you need in order to fix Kogasa's umbrella. It just got fixed the first time I played through, but this time it won't get fixed. Um... I don't know what to do about that because I don't know what I need.

[DA]

I think I found what might be a major bug in the current version of the demo: The passive boost-skills that all characters have in different categories (TP boost, MP boost, Attack boost etc.) seem to increase their respective stats when leveled, but seem to decrease EVERY other stat at the same time. I don't think this is intended and the way it is now, it's probably not worth ever spending skill points to increase these (except maybe MP, as those are so hard to come by).

Can someone confirm this please?

Ya those stat boost skills do decrease your stats some but really it isnt too much I only lost a few points but you can easily make up for the penalties by increasing your stats at patchouli. It is still worth it imo I say unless the creator increases the penalty of raising those passive boost skills(which i hope doesnt happen).

[Kuilfrayt]

I'm trying the demo again, because I kind of ignored it for a while. I have a bunch of questions, though.
When do you get the ability to craft stuff? I know you can buy stuff at Nitori's place, but I know you can craft there too. Do you need Nitori in your party in order to do so?
Also, how do you get Stones of Awakening in order to switch specialties?
How do you open multiple locked chests? Is there a certain item you need to get in order to unlock multiples of them?
And one last thing before I do end up switching specialties later on: Do the skills of the specialties overwrite those of the base specialty of each character or does it add to their list of skills? I assume it overwrites them but I want to be certain.

EDIT: Nevermind, the wiki says when you unlock item creation. I don't know about anything else, though. ^^;
SECOND EDIT: Um... crap, I don't actually know what materials you need in order to fix Kogasa's umbrella. It just got fixed the first time I played through, but this time it won't get fixed. Um... I don't know what to do about that because I don't know what I need.

The first Stone of Awakening you'll find is from taking a stair from 6F to 5F, there is going to be a chest that contains it. The way to unlock chests is by getting Treasure Chest Keys. For now, the only way I know how to get those is from achievements. The materials Nitori told you to get are an Insect Husk and a Tree's Leaf, as well as 120 in money. Specialities skills are added to the characters base skill, you don't lose any skills by taking a speciality. If you switch speciality, you lose the skills you gained from the previous one and they are replaced by the skills of the new one.

[MewMewHeart]

Ew, so no more walking up to an exclamation mark to get treasure??? 

[Kuilfrayt]

Some of them are normal chests, some of them are locked. Up to 6F there is around 7-8 locked chests I think

Also, I kinda realized telling you the english items won't get you anywhere, whoops

The 2 items you are looking for are 硬い殻 , crafting material, first page, 2nd row, 9th starting from the top, and 大樹の葉っぱ, crafting material, 4th page, 1st row, 1st item at the top. (that is, if my translation is correct)

[Validon98]

Ah, I got them already and got the umbrella. Thanks anyways. ^^;
I also tried to go against the F2 FOE. At level 5-6. Safe to say I failed. But I know I can probably do it if I gain a few more levels. ^^;

[Kuilfrayt]

I've been wondering this for a while, do we want to use a certain currency for money? Because putting Money +X on achievements is making me cringe

[Kirin no Sora]

What do they call it in game? Because if they just call it "Gold", then we could use that.

Otherwise, I vote that we call it yen(Standard Japanese money).

[MewMewHeart]

What do they call it in game? Because if they just call it "Gold", then we could use that.

Otherwise, I vote that we call it yen(Standard Japanese money).

Yeah Yen would be more reasonable.

[CF7]

/sigh Grinding for Winnar. Tenshi is trolling me with her drops. Have ~10. Notable drops include 3 Eggs, 1 Rhododenron Dress and 2 Zun Hats. And i have a question. To get Reisen solo drop can you kill mobs she summons before killing her? Also same question with Rinno and Yukari. DB states that only last form drops the item. So do i have to wait through all of Rinno's forms and eating 2 Djinn Storms to get respective drop? Also i guess i need ~30-40 more levels before trying Winner.

[qazmlpok]

The mobs do not have drops, so you can kill them all you want. It's only a problem with her first fight because they do have drops there.

Yukari and Rinnosuke can be defeated early and you will still get full exp/sp and the usual chance of getting the item.

[Kuilfrayt]

What do they call it in game? Because if they just call it "Gold", then we could use that.

Otherwise, I vote that we call it yen(Standard Japanese money).

The way it's actually called in game is 銭, which can be translated as Qi?n, a Chinese coin, also called Mace or Tsin. It's also the kanji for the former Japanese coin sen, worth 1/100 of a yen. So yea, we got choice, pick what you think sounds best. Also, I was putting as "Money" because the kanji can also simply mean that.

Btw Kvre, you might want to correct up the enemy image, it says "Elemental Resistence" and "Ailment Resistence", where it should be "Resistance"

[Hawk]

I was also wondering about Yukari's drop.  Yukari is actually the only 30F boss that you can kill prior to her hitting her final form.  Rinnosuke is bugged, but the version you kill is definitely his final one (2 million HP), and I've never been able to kill Mokou or Yuuka prior to Resurrection or Focus.

With the amount of Yukari's I've killed before she Djinn Storms, I was getting worried that I was locking myself out, but I suppose I just have poor luck.

Regarding money, it's not uncommon for games to make up their own word for currency, like "Gil" or "Zenny" or what have you, and players adapt to those just fine without confusion.  As such, even if the English-speaking community is not familiar with "Sen", I don't think it would be an issue.

[Smashy]

Just finished the third floor of the LoT2 demo.

Suddenly, Rumia main attacker :V  Bad luck withe the FOE punching Marisa->I have to have Rumia kill it, and then Rumia became the best attacker for the actual boss because in her usual fashion she has no defenses at all.

[The Krve]

Btw Kvre, you might want to correct up the enemy image, it says "Elemental Resistence" and "Ailment Resistence", where it should be "Resistance"

I'm dumb.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/c0lgafczbu7rqm3/img1.dxa
I'm going for gold, since it's pretty much the most iconic currency of RPGs in general.

[Kirin no Sora]

Quick questions about Toxicologist: do the spells offered there deal damage as well as a chance for an ailment? And if it does do damage, does it draw strength from the attack or magic stat?

[Kuilfrayt]

Quick questions about Toxicologist: do the spells offered there deal damage as well as a chance for an ailment? And if it does do damage, does it draw strength from the attack or magic stat?

They deal damage and all of them are based on your MAG stat.

[Kirin no Sora]

Then, I'm right in presuming that people like Marisa(who is normally limited to Mystic element damage), Satori(Gives low cost options along with improving the SIL proc of Brain Fingerprint), Rinnosuke(who can improve his stats immensely with High Boost skills, but literally has no attack spells unless he takes up a specialty), and almost anyone who has a high Magic Stat, can benefit greatly from this specialty.

I've noticed that the term "Slow" seems to show up in the various character skills, and they imply that it's a status ailment, but I don't see said ailment listed as an ailment anywhere else(ailment resistance, list of ailments in the gameplay section, etc.). Not to be blunt, but what gives? Does "Slow" actually refer to speed debuffs?

[Kuilfrayt]

We refer to Slow as either that or HVY, it slows the speed at which the ATB bar fills up.

[Kirin no Sora]

We refer to Slow as either that or HVY, it slows the speed at which the ATB bar fills up.

Wait, I thought that HVY just prevented a character from switching out. It slows them down as well? That would make it a serious ailment if both things applied(considering that speed debuffs and a Slow ailment together could happen), since a slow speed can make the difference between winning and a Game Over.

(Suddenly imagines that a boss in the full game will inflict both on the whole party and then do a TPK while you're trying to recover, unless you carry the appropriate resistance gear beforehand.)

[Kuilfrayt]

Well, looks like it's just prevents a character from switching out, it acts as a slow for enemies. I didn't go and check the images lol

[Smashy]

I'm going to use this post for asking about events that I can't figure out:

1) 4F, near the save point (but you have to walk around a while to actually enter it), has Chen/Reimu/Marisa talking

2) 5F, east of the bottom-center FOE, Reimu/Marisa convo, has some item bracketed

3) While we're in the general area, those !s that you can talk to but can't walk past. nvm, these disappeared when I killed the fire stone.

[Hawk]

1. Need Chen Battle Points.
2. Need Wriggle Battle Points.
3. No idea!

[Kuilfrayt]

I'll try to remember them as best I can

1) Chen's event on 4F (5F and 6F are the follow-ups) is about Chen trying to find Ran, I haven't translated it, so I can't say anymore than that. And with what Hawk said, you need Chen's BP to trigger it.

2) The Marisa/Reimu Event is either the one where you need a certain amount of BP with Wriggle to trigger OR it's about Marisa finding what I called Mysterious Scrap of Iron (there was 2 other of those in the previous floor, which makes a grand total of 3, and they are currently consumed for me, but I don't know what it made)

3) There are quite a few of those, and I assume you're talking about events that are not when you go into one of the option in Gensokyo (i.e. Hakurei Shrine, Magic Library, etc.). I'll list those I can think of.
- The first one you'll ever get is when you first come back, they talk about god knows what and the game then tells you how diving out of the dungeon works (you get back all HP, MP, TP back, bla bla bla).
- The second one will be when you first recruit a character, whoever it is, and they talk about stuff again, and the game tells you how to change characters at the Human Village.
- The last one I can think of is one I got when I first loaded my save in the new demo (after beating Komachi basically), but I haven't bothered looking at that one, so I don't know what it's about.