Town Mafia (Game Over)

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I mean if it's not Dan or you then I'm guessing that it would have to be either Affinity or BT and I think it's more likely to be BT so yeah.

[BT]

Affinity you had me saying "are you high" out loud when you vouched for Dormio's case. Not only is it Not Good but you gave no other reason to never consider Dormio again.

Of course my play would seem incomplete and one-dimentional if I'd lost motivation to play halfway through the game. I didn't reply to Dormio because I pretty much expected a case like that to pop up and I didn't feel it was needed because, you know, the game was ending? And the crumb is probably true for the reason you brought up yourself - his opinions were really swingy. In fact, he waffled on pretty much every single one of his reads on D2 except for Val and myself, when he was paranoid about me on D1 and people were saying Val would become readable later. Not Hard To Guess.

[WHMZakeri]

KillCount
Dormio:       Validon98 (1)
BT:       Affinity, Dormio (2)

With Six alive, it takes four votes to lynch.
48 left.

[ActionDan]

I'll have to read later.

The fact Raitaki wasn't actually a traitor... is a huge town-tell for me in about every possible way so.

[ActionDan]

Btw a few things that we should settle now.

1) Validon is town. <---- I'd like everyone to unconditionally agree to that immediately
2) In light of Shadoweh's claim that there is a scum busdriver, and in light of Shadoweh's claim that she's getting things, if there is someone who is sending things (and if it's not the mod), then they can't be the busdriver soooo they're confirmed as town.

I don't want a repeat of who wants to be the towniest mafia where Dormio was lynched D6 even though I begged everyone to accept him as town.  Also that game featured people who weren't good at realizing how roles worked.

Not this game.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

No posts? Why doesn't everyone else at least say who they think is the scum?

[PX]

KillCount
Dormio:       Validon98 (1)
BT:       Affinity, Dormio (2)

With Six alive, it takes four votes to lynch.
36 left.

[ActionDan]

No posts? Why doesn't everyone else at least say who they think is the scum?

Answer my post above.  That is my first priority from everyone

[Shadoweh]

If you insist I will agree not to lynch Validon until I change my mind again.
I'm feeling kinda sick and just woke up so I'll :words: when I get home. I agree on your second hypothesis.

[Affinity]

I agree with Dan's propositions.

Okay I can see the 'crumb' a bit better, but bleh.

[WHMZakeri]

24 Hours Left.
If you want the countdown it's only four posts up.

[BT]

>_> I'll agree to this.

##Vote Affinity

Dormio is the less pretty second option. Putting my trust in VM & Conq.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Why doesn't everyone else at least say who they think is the scum?

Shadoweh? Dan?

[WHMZakeri]

KillCount
Dormio:       Validon98 (1)
BT:       Affinity, Dormio (2)
Affiinity:    BT (1)

With Six alive, it takes four votes to lynch.
10 left.

[ActionDan]

I think affinity is scum after a reread.

But Dormio/BT are still candidates cop not withstanding imo.

[ActionDan]

I won't be here for deadline.

Ya I didn't actually reread much of Dormio, just everyone else.

So

##Vote: Affinity

If I am wrong sorry.  Just affinity you were a bit tangential imo.  I thought your words were ok.

[Shadoweh]

I've been rereading everyone on and off. It's kind of hard to tell to be honest. If it's Affinity it would mean all-townies swamped SB, which I supose is likely and reminiscent of ABGoM.. I dunno I think it would be super weird for him to have missed the scum wagon. It would also mean we literally had the most inactive scum team in the history of ever. Would Zakeri start the game without all the scum confirming present, you think?

[Validon98]

I've been inactive because I really don't know what to add to any of this.
I'm going to probably miss the deadline as well, and, err, I get Shadoweh's point. Why would Zakeri start the game if one person hadn't confirmed? Of course, I'm not saying that makes Affinity innocent, but that's a fair point. I'm still leaning towards Dormio, though. We can still lynch Dormio the next day, right?
...In which case screw it. We can't afford a no lynch at this point, so I'm just switching my vote even though I'm still leaning more towards Dormio as scum.

##Unkill
##Kill: Affinity

[Shadoweh]

<_<
Validon, do you think BT is scummy? Why Affinity over him when they're both at two votes? You don't have a reason to find Affinity guilty in that post.

[Validon98]

I don't think BT is scummy. Then again, I'd have to reread BT and at this point I'm tired. I'll give it a shot though. Give me a few minutes and I'll come back with something. Maybe. If I don't pass out. >.<

[Validon98]

While I'm doing this, who do you think is scummy, Shadoweh? Same with Dormio, you two have been quiet on the whole matter so far and we're down to the wire in a few hours.

[Validon98]

To be honest, I've been kind of ignoring BT somewhat. Rereading is making me change my mind on that and it just makes my head hurt more.

Okay, first thing I've noticed that I don't like:

Shadoweh:

NightKill
Validon98:    Shadoweh (1)
Shadoweh:    Serela, Raitaki, Dormio, Affinity (4)
Serela:    BBM, Vhaltzo, Conqueror, ActionDan, Validon98, BT, Serious Bananas (7)

So he's automatically assuming that Dan, himself, Dormio, and Shadoweh are town when none of them have flipped. I know it's partially because of his reads, but it feels ugh to me.

I don't want to use RVS reasons, but him jumping on Raikaria for jokingly using "gut" also was something that left a bad taste in my mouth earlier but I ended up forgetting about. Note that he was also the one to start that wagon. >_>;
Still reading, on page 10. >.<;

[Validon98]

I'm noticing that Serela and Raitaki did not interact much with BT at all. Not sure whether it was they thought it was a waste of time or because they were trying not to get in BT's way or anything. That's making me feel urrrrgh more and more. Still reading, though. Trying not to pass out at the same time. >.<

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Same with Dormio, you two have been quiet on the whole matter so far

wat?

[Validon98]

##Unkill

Affinity is looking less scummy to me. My attention is more focused on BT and Dormio now. This is just making me feel so ugggghhh right now, doing this.

Also, when I put Raitaki at L-1 before, BT said this:

I assume we're all mature enough to understand the consequences of hammering without a claim.

And then today his reaction to rereading it was this:

ummmm

I'm actually not sure what to think about this.

Kind of weird when he was the one asking for someone to place the L-1. In fact, him asking for someone to place the L-1 is weird. Raitaki was scum, though, so I don't know.

Cut: You mentioned Shadoweh and Dan... and that's it. Your lack of effort rubs me the wrong way, Dormio, even if supposedly it's part of your meta anyway. This is the wrong time of night for me to be doing this. >.<

[Validon98]

Oh wait I read that wrong nevermind, Dormio.

[Validon98]

You were asking Dan and Shadoweh who they thought is scummy. Shadoweh particularly. Speak up, please.

Still stuck between Dormio and BT. Dormio feels urgh still but rereading BT has made me see a lot of things I missed before. I'm trusting him less and less now. So here we go.

##Kill: BT

I REALLY NEED SLEEP NOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME THEY WILL GO UNANSWERED BEFORE THE FLIP UNLESS I HAPPEN TO GET UP SUPER EARLY SORRY. >.<

[Shadoweh]

If I had a clear suspect I would have voted by now. It's just.. inconsistent if the entire scum team really was gunning for me Day 1. I supose it's possible Affinity didn't notice, or Dormio did it for the lulz.

Validon: BT's reaction to you putting Raitaki to L-1 and going 'uhm I don't know what to think about it' is because it looked like you put Raitaki to L-1 so he would claim. It does look kind of weird. I really wish you would stop being townie so we could lynch you. ;_;

ALL I ASKED IS WHY DID AFFINITY LOOK SCUMMY TO YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE GOD

[Shadoweh]

I don't know why I keep yelling at Validon even though I think he's town. I really want that early suspicion to be right I guess. Extensive rereading to mindlink with people makes me think Affinitown and DormioTown. I just can't get over dat D1 wagon, well that and Dormio's said some stuff that I thought was good and etc. Affinimu has been pretty cute this game too.  That sounds really terrible to be honest but I don't know how else to explain tone. I don't think I've seen Affinity ever give a direct defense of a scum buddy immediately before people want to lynch him and then not switch back over the minute that wagon appears, and even if the way he's making cases is a little odd I can see some of that :Dormio: attitude I've been missing in his earlier posts. I've been thinking BT is town via tone and effort, but he hopped on Serela way after his lynch was a definite thing. Conq told me to stop trying to lynch Affinity anyways.

Also last thing BBM did before dying is talk about how suspicious BT is. So unless someone gives me a super good reason, I plan to hammer him in less then 3 hours.

[Shadoweh]

The only person I regret rereading is myself actually, my posts look so horrible this game. I thought I was trying harder. ;-;