Town Mafia (Game Over)

[Raitaki]

Urgh welp. I claim Mafia Stalker. It's basically even-night cop. I target a person and get their role.

I would try to do something else but kind of pissed right now so eh :S Guess I can read around and answer questions instead

[Raitaki]

You'll have to tell me what my motivation for coaching a Good Guy I'm trying to lynch is, unless you're suggesting we're partners.

To me the combination of coaching and wanting to lynch made it look like you were trying to lynch them for being bad instead of scum, and since you didn't suggest they were scummy you would be able to take the read either way later easily.

I do find it odd that he posted almost immediately after that votecount confusion happened, but didn't mention it. I say this because in MMM2 when it happened he spent an entire page of spamposts talking about the conspiracyness of it making himself sound loud and proud. I have to conclude that the only reason he missed it and didn't bother commenting on it is both because he was actually rereading like he said he was, and none of his buddies mentioned it in the QT.  I don't know about you but when I'm scum and I say I'm rereading I'm actually watching Hell's Kitchen or something.

PX fixed it before I posted, so I waved it off as mod error.

He then follows this up with this post where he says that Shadoweh isn't accusing anyone of being scummy. This is based on a misunderstanding of Shadoweh's terminology, but when other people (there are probably more instances of it being called out on but I'm too lazy to look for all of them) mention that Raitaki's argument is based on a faulty premise, what is his response?
To completely change his argument.

Uh, what? My argument was still hinging on the fact Shadoweh's "scumreads" were there only cuz they were bad play and she never implied she wanted them lynched for scumminess :\

[Shadoweh]

You mean like a rolecop?

[Shadoweh]

And I assume you mean even-day cop, since this is the night phase. You know, it doesn't help that you claimed Cop when you were scum in GHW. Are you done trying to lynch me yet? You don't coach people you're trying to kill, it's to your advantage if they keep looking like Terrible People so people want them dead.

[Vhaltz]

So, uh, Raitaki forgot to comment on his night target?
Or do town rolecops generally not out their results?

Mostly inclined to think it's bullshit because I can't find crumbs for the role OR the investigation. Will elaborate later if I get breaks.

[Vhaltz]

Wait he claimed even-day rolecop.


But then again the phase with the actions happening in it is D2.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

But it's N2.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Either way, my mind hasn't changed in regards to Raitaki.

[Conqueror]

yes raitaki please clarify as to when your role is active and what targets you chose

also you just claimed and are sitting there like you want to be lynched because you gave no reads, not even on the other wagons (validon and sb) electing to still vote and poke at shadoweh who it is pretty clear is not getting lynched

it pretty much looks like you don't care and are just hoping the claim will do something. reminds me of how you played nue in ten desires.


@SB, your complaints about Validon read fairly valid, but weren't you going to talk about Raitaki when you said you didn't like him in your last post?

[Conqueror]

ebwop: also what role results would you get on a mafia goon for instance

[Validon98]

@SB: Sometimes I overlook or ignore certain people when I first go through the thread. Sometimes people notice certain things that I have failed to pick up on, and when I go back and look, it does seem that way. I understand that looks like I'm just be opportunistic, so I see where you are coming from. As for Shadoweh, are you seriously saying that "full of conviction" line means anything? No, I was talking about how Shadoweh did not seem serious with her vote. This is what prompted my "full of CONVICTION" remark:

Raitaki I'm sorry you got stuck with Validon as a Bad Guy Team buddy but voting me when I'm full of CONVICTION isn't going to save you. Accusing me of coasting after posting something like five wall posts, especially when you've posted half as much as me if I'm being generous, means you can fuck right off and die tomorrow.

That combined with her post where she voted me here made it so that I could not take her vote seriously at all and I thought she was trying to push a bad case on me. My beef with her was that her "conviction" looked false and overplayed because Shadoweh does that so much I can't help but think that. My beef with you is that you vote people yet don't have too much conviction, and right now your last post is pretty much defensive and an attempt to break up the reasoning for people voting you. Really now, who do you think is scum besides me? What is your opinion on Raitaki?

[Shadoweh]

You have consistently not believed me, but I was serious when I said it. At the very least it's an expression of me enjoying getting into the game by pushing against what I feel are suspicious actions. Right now I'm kind of bored because Rairai left like ten minutes after claiming and it's not obvious whether he had to go or he's just lurking in the mason QT. (Because it's not a scum QT!) Bored isn't exactly the right word. Frustrated more like because I want to talk to him right now. Have I mentioned I hate lurkers?

[Validon98]

Shadoweh, that's only because that's how I've always perceived you in all three games I've played so far. The style of many of your early posts makes it hard to tell when or when you are not serious. At this point because of your explanation I am not accusing you of not being serious, but your behavior at the time suggested otherwise. I'm a serious person: seeing over-the-top posts makes me, for the most part, go "wait what" and wonder what the hell is going through your mind. Do realize at this point I no longer have a "beef" with you. It's just a repeat of I Wanna Be the Sereliest at this point, except last time you weren't as serious with the vote while this time you were. Can you see why I get confused by you so easily? ^^;
As for Raitaki, yeah, he's been a really bad lurker. His claim is like the 6th post of his with some sort of actual content, 7th if you count his quick vote of you early on N2. So I can understand your frustration with him.

[Vhaltz]

##Unkill: SB

Unenabling lynch on SB for now just in case.

[Shadoweh]

Why? :V The only reason a lynch would happen on SB is if Raitaki explains himself satisfyingly, or someone explains why we should stop voting him. Have you considered that you've been a tad paranoid this game?

Oh Vali, I could never hate you. I'm always going to be over the top! I don't always say what my intentions are, but I try not to lie about them.

[Affinity]

I'm.. not buying the Raitiki claim for reasons already stated.  His play makes no sense for an even-night (day) rolecop; he shows no signs of wanting to get to N2 to use his power etc.  Have no qualms with lynching him.

Other than that, nothing much to talk about other than SB, who seems more interested in defending himself and spiting Validon as a reason to vote him, instead of focusing on more pressing things like Raitiki and what other things people are saying.  Validon's stuff on SB appeases me a bit.

[Vhaltz]

Iirc I left him at L-2 and I had an ominous feeling about how somebody doing rereads might vote SB at some point and scum!Raitaki could drop in and hammer him for the sake of getting his last buddy closer to the win, specially since nobody seems to be buying the claim.

Pretty sure I want to lynch Raitaki over SB now as well because the claim is iffy in many ways. Phases in this game are especially confusing with this post in mind and clarifications about that when referring to a weak role that can investigate only on even/odd phases were clearly in order given the switch in how phases work. There's no -last scumhunting- in Raitaki's post (like Conq pointed out) and overall I don't really see a mafia rolecop happening in a setup with very few roles and where the town are scum under the pretense of masonry. Reads Very Fake overall.
There's more but I want to know whether he claims to have investigated or not first.

@Shadoweh. Nope, the other possibility is what I just mentioned above, I remembered Sword Girls with both lynch possibilities at L-1 and figured I'd unvote before I headed home just in case. I've always played this paranoid Shadoweh, but as long as everything ends up making sense in my head and I end up lynching scum I don't see any reason to change my ways, you'll just have to put up with my weirdness :V
I just remembered I had to apologize to BBM for giving him a hard time yesterday. Also props for the Serela catch

[BT]

This is a drag.

Fine with just lynching Raitaki and then SB at this point.

Motivation to read the game is at 0 unless Raitaki flips town (red).

See you tomorrow.

[Conqueror]

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[Vhaltz]

I'd hammer hard but Mitsuki's been away since early this morning and she'll get mad at me if I hammer without her here, since she probably has stuff to say and all.

[BT]

Note that I didn't ask for a hammer.

I'm fine with waiting for Raitaki to clarify things.

It's just that the lynch will probably remain unchanged and I'm already invested, hence retiring for the day.

[Conqueror]

I'm fine with waiting; just don't forget to hammer him before deadline. :V I don't think anything he says will change anything, although you're welcome to talk about other things.

I just want this flip dammit

I guess I have one question. Dormio, why open with Shadoweh today and then immediately switch away from her?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Mostly becase ~vote Shadoweh~.
Basically, I didn't reading anything during the night so I put my vote on Shadoweh while I was actually reading stuff.

[Vhaltz]

Well it sure sounded like Conq wanted the hammer right nao.

Just a reminder for people to check Dan or maybe Affinity/Shadoweh if lynching Raitaki and SB doesn't win the game. SB has done a bunch of scummy things but not having seen him play before I personally don't have that much confidence in SB!scum other than PoE.

If Dormio ends up being scum I'll be very disgusted at his scum play ._.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

[Conqueror]

I wanted the hammer because I wanted to go to sleep, but then I realized that Zakeri probably won't be here to update before I sleep, so in the end it doesn't matter as long as it's done eventually.

If Dan is scum with Raitaki I'd be impressed. He'd had to have had the most suicidal bussing plan from the beginning of the game.

Shadoweh you're not pulling another balanced game of mafia are you? Tell me straight.  :ohdear:

pedit: dormio is that supposed to mean something

[Vhaltz]

If Dan is scum with Raitaki I'd be impressed. He'd had to have had the most suicidal bussing plan from the beginning of the game.

Looking at Dan is something to do if for whatever reason Raitaki flips uninformed majority.
Shadoweh hasn't voted once throughout the whole of D2 so I could see her coasting by on the Serela association reads as scum. I've seen her spend the first 24 hours of the day without voting as town before, though, so maybe she would also do this as town? dunno, still quite a weaker townread than BT/Conq/Dormio.

[Conqueror]

nah shadoweh is probably town
iirc she's more likely to spend the day not voting as town where as scum she'd pick a weak target to push
she should TOTALLY CHANGE THAT though

[Vhaltz]

True that. I guess that leaves Dan and Affinity wtih Dan being an unlikely buddy for Raitaki. I'm quite convinced Raitaki is scum at this point, though, and Affinity reads town to me this game, but just in case I'm wrong about Raitaki and/or SB.

Dammit Conq why do you have to be not scum. The game would've been so much more fun if I had been right with my insane Dormio/Conq theory.

[Shadoweh]

I haven't felt the need to vote, and the fact that there's a hueg wagon without my assistance backs me up there. If this were BGoM then Dormio and Raitaki would be my partners, Serela already flipped so we're aokay. (If I were town I'd be obligated to say this anyways to screw with you). I'm not sold on a Rai-green flip yet, but I agree the game is stalled and there isn't a clear consensus on who else should be lynched otherwise.