Welp, it's close to bedtime and Raitaki isn't coming around to claim so I guess I'll put this out.
See Raitaki's Affinity case, which basically convinces me that Raitaki is basically just cherrypicking random questionable posts out of people's ISOs (or just not reading them at all) because his case on Affinity focuses on how Affinity drops BT for Shadoweh but there's no mention of the actually questionable part of Affinity's posts, which is the defense of Serela and the swing to the Shadoweh wagon at a crucial point in the wagons.
The rest of the case reads not so solid but I had completely overlooked that Raitaki ignored all of the other questionable Affinity things. Sorry for totally skimming your posts earlier Conq I just thought you wanted to backstab me back then.
Also parts of what I recently said regarding VCA and Raitaki/Dan scumteam were already in Conq's yesterday posts that I had barely read, so I feel less paranoid when finding that we followed very similar trains of thought and reached the same conclusions.
Okay so here's what I got after reading SB and Raitaki.
I started reading SB from Dormio's POV of "scumhunting hard" since at least SB's conclusions in #318 flow logically from a NoMeta standpoint. He clears me because of the hard Serela push etc. But the closer we look, the bigger the bunch of scummy things becomes. BT mentioned how he voted Dan with Validon only to later be reminded how much he hated Validon and proceeded to vote Validon again on a "newbs can be scum" case and this is a really legit point against him since one would not just go and vote along with a top scumread. I kept ignoring most of his D1 stuff because the post layout was horrible and I didn't care if he thought we were scummy because he'd end up finding out we're town on his own, but there's how he kept poking at our play and said he measures scumminess in the way of "number of things he dislikes". This is pretty bad because it means he never has to fully explain why anything he doesn't like is actually scummy from his point of view. I also poked back at some of his points occasionally like I did when calling him out on saying my posts were full of "fluffa" just because I'm wordy. I encouraged him to prove his point in hopes he would realize his own mistake as town but instead he proceeded to sidestep the issue by
admitting it and talking about something else instead, which is scummy. He also throws out an empty promise for a post at the end of that same #205 but never follows up on it despite having 4 hours until deadline. We also never saw this post come to light at the beginning of D2 which is what I would've expected from a townie stepping up his game after a not so good D1.
I also initially thought SB might be scum because killing BBM meant there's no scum!meta to use on him, but then it became obvious that he was a good target whatever the scumteam was, since BT was the other not-getting-docced alternative and he was under general suspicion throughout mid-lateD1. I decided to ignore SB after I thought this and haven't really gotten to reading him until Mitsuki pulled me into it earlier this afternoon. Pretty scummy overall but unsure if he'll flip scum.
Raitaki sounds like he's playing now (unlike in Sereliest) but note that this is when being a general suspect, I can't really call it reactive scumhunting due to the big content hole in mid-lateD1, but his D1 Shadoweh case did kinda sound Rumia-ish so there's that. His grip on the Shadoweh vote despite the wagon is baffling but I'll agree that it can be seen both ways, Mitsuki also thinks it's scummy and at this point I think she's being the voice of reason in our QT while I just go insane on everything.
The worst thing is how Raitaki's #316 replies to BT's call for his reads. He continued to comment on Shadoweh in his reply and sidestepped his reads request which is quite scummy unless you consider "blarf still workng on other people. Nothing definitive yet." an answer, and that would mean Raitaki literally has reads up in the air for every player in the game that's not Shadoweh. That's even worse than what I've been pushing Dormio for, at least I knew what he thought about three players. /taking shots at Dormio for not playing
Also on this reads issue since I'm bringing it up again. @Dormio: I always think reads on people who are not The Scum You Want To Lynch are Very Important because they have to flow logically from a town perspective in response to new content. People usually bring up general town reads painting a target on people as a reason to not do this but as long as scum isn't outright retarded they'll have the gist of who the towniest players are anyway so there's no reason to not do this other than :effort:
And I totally understand Kitten4u now. Mafia is serious business and it screws up the game when players don't care much about it.
I still have to read Dan and maybe Affinity/Shadoweh because my townreads on those last two are somewhat WIFOM-y coming from Serela associations and not so solid, I figure one of them is bound to be scum if lynching the Dan/SB/Raitaki trio doesn't end the game, not Validon. The only thing is we don't really have three mislynches though, just two, so I'm really hoping the flips give more hard data to work on =/
Serela/Shadoweh/Affinity is unlikely because scum!Affinity voting Shadoweh when he could've just bussed his weaker buddy makes little sense.
Might as well read Dan before leaving for dinner since he has so little content.
He says he'll have to read further into Raitaki in his #285 and this is pretty terrible? it implies the earlier vote had no reasoning backing it. Also he never follows up on this until his most recent post #367 where all he brings up is a meta difference which actually works in favour of Raitaki!Town instead of Raitaki!Scum. He doesn't think to move his vote in spite of this though, which kinda reads like he's posting for the sake of posting and looking townie rather than scumhunting. It was pretty much a prod-dodge as well, but the post sounds kind of rushed, so I'm not sure how telling of his alignment this ends up being in the end. What bothers me the most out of all his content is his softdefense of SB in his
#285 where he says he nitpicked everybody equally when he had clear focuses. He never nitpicked anything on Serela, BT or Conq, off the top of my head.
Mitsuki is also kinda paranoid regarding Dan because he totally had her fooled with his fake arriving late to deadline last game.
I'm not sure if I prefer an SB or a Raitaki lynch yet, there's scummy things in both but I'm not convinced that particularly one of them will flip scum. My vote gets to go to SB for now anyway because Raitaki is at L-1 already.
##Kill: SB
