Author Topic: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win) (Read 108680 times)

Validon98 · « **Reply #420 on:** May 25, 2013, 01:46:32 AM »

Quote from: Serela on May 25, 2013, 01:41:46 AM

##Vote IHNN

The reason being?

Quote from: huh what on May 25, 2013, 01:45:03 AM

Bard if you lynch Shadoweh I won't be able to suicide.

Also the reason being?

Shadoweh · « **Reply #421 on:** May 25, 2013, 01:46:39 AM »

Validon: huh what is saying that he's a third party, which means he's not mafia, but isn't town, and his win condition involves targetting me in some way. I believe him. So voting him would be wrong. It's that simple. The worst that happens is he murders me tonight and disappears. The moral is lynching huh what doesn't lynch scum.

Of course I'm confirmed town, I'm the protagonist! How could I be scum!

cut: Of course I tried to replicate the situation, if Serela were a reflexive voteblocker I'd want him dead. However, I'm surprised you aren't commenting on something that seems even worse. Serela, have you uh, lost the ability to talk? Also huh what says I'm confirmed town so maybe you should bite me?

Bardiche · « **Reply #422 on:** May 25, 2013, 01:48:05 AM »

Hang on a tit, you need to target Shadoweh to be able to disappear? Eh... Not willing to suffer a Mafia to live just to let you fulfil a wincon. I'm confident Huh What isn't worth our attention at the moment and we should focus on Shadoweh. If he's a lyncher who's already fulfilled his wincon then he's at best a nuisance to town, but considerably less harmful than scum. I'd go so far as to say he's harmless.

Cut by Shadi. Serela DID talk today. Right here.

Inattentiveness is pretty awful.

Validon98 · « **Reply #423 on:** May 25, 2013, 01:51:00 AM »

The thing is that Serela's last two votes came without justification. I smell a rat, unless Serela can justify it.
Also, I remember that Dormio said portions of this game might be considered bastard. Serela's behavior in the last two votes might be connected, but I don't know. I'm just thinking out loud at this point, so don't take it too seriously.

Bardiche · « **Reply #424 on:** May 25, 2013, 01:52:49 AM »

If Serela's been hit with a speech impairment that's hardly scummy. Moreover, consider HOW it would be scummy: Unless scum seek to refuge in audacity, they're being too obvious. Huh What and Serela both are being entirely obvious and I'd rather we get on with it and hit the ones trying to sneak and hide away. Note how Shadoweh hasn't at all addressed my problems with her and just tried to get us to look elsewhere by saying Serela is somehow worse.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #425 on:** May 25, 2013, 01:53:00 AM »

The lurking is fair, I'm feeling a little sick from yesterday (which is why I got here just after the lynch :V) and reading is kind of giving me a headache, along with sitting up. I'll try to have something more substantial later tonight. In any case, I don't appreciate the act you've been putting on about how useless I am either, you've literally never said anything like that before and I suspect you're being a jerk for ulterior motives (maybe you're the lyncher! dohohohoh!)

Cut: ...You're right I missed that. He doesn't usually do that though. I will think about it more ~*~later~*~. However speaking of inattentiveness dumbass he's not a fulfilled lyncher?

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #426 on:** May 25, 2013, 01:54:56 AM »

serela is pretty town imo

Shadoweh · « **Reply #427 on:** May 25, 2013, 01:55:09 AM »

I also didn't say Serela is worse, are you implying I just told you to lynch Serela because he can't talk? There's reaching, then there's reaching with a passion.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #428 on:** May 25, 2013, 01:57:20 AM »

##Unvote
##Vote: Bardiche

(ripping off Serela's stick)

Bardiche · « **Reply #429 on:** May 25, 2013, 01:57:45 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 01:53:00 AM

In any case, I don't appreciate the act you've been putting on about how useless I am either, you've literally never said anything like that before and I suspect you're being a jerk for ulterior motives (maybe you're the lyncher! dohohohoh!)

However speaking of inattentiveness dumbass he's not a fulfilled lyncher?

What does ad hominem have to do with this? I said you've done nothing to point to what you think are the scums. Will you refute this? You can't. Putting words in my mouth isn't town-like behaviour! Nor is crackpot theories about how I'm a lyncher. Huh Whatty already claimed Lyncher end of Day 1, I assume this means he's fulfilled his wincon of lynching SilentShaman. Since he hammered saying LYNCHER WIN and everything.

I didn't start with the name-calling, you did~

Cut.

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However, I'm surprised you aren't commenting on something that seems even worse. Serela, have you uh, lost the ability to talk?

>Aren't commenting on something that seems even worse
>Proceeds to comment on Serela
I assumed "worse" as in, "worse than me active lurking", and I consider active lurking scummy. The only thing worse than that is even scummier behaviour.

Cut again. Lol OMGUS.

Validon98 · « **Reply #430 on:** May 25, 2013, 01:58:33 AM »

Also, if HW was supposed to target you to fulfill a condition, then why didn't he do it last night?
Cut: I'm not going to vote for Serela for right now because I'm sure that he can justify it. One of the two posts was something along the lines of "##Unvote HW," though, which makes no sense at all.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #431 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:01:28 AM »

Quote from: Validon98 on May 25, 2013, 01:58:33 AM

Also, if HW was supposed to target you to fulfill a condition, then why didn't he do it last night?

she didn't claim kotarou until today

i don't think bard is scummy

Bardiche · « **Reply #432 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:02:11 AM »

So yeah, Shadoweh just going OMGUS is a clear sign she isn't even TRYING to salvage the situation. It's clear she's scum trying to hide in broad daylight by posting sweet nothings and messing about as flippantly as Huh What. Would a Townie who's lost their vote temporarily really not use the opportunity to use their vote to actually do something useful? No case-making, no commentary, just trying to get herself voteblocked again and now using OMGUS against me because "halp bard voted me".

I can't reconcile this as Townie behaviour at all.

EDIT Huh whatty that's because I'm not but trust me if I was a vigilante I'd shoot you so hard for being an ITP.

Bardiche · « **Reply #433 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:02:41 AM »

Sadly the Mafias Mods hate me and never let me roll Day Vig. ;_;

Shadoweh · « **Reply #434 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:05:51 AM »

Oh my god. You suck. 5/5 case would sheep it. You're arguing that trying to prove an anti-town role means I'm scum. You're ignoring a claimed third party in a vicarious discarding of your meta. And you apparently forgot the part earlier in this game where you said I'm a detriment to town no matter my faction, which I ignored as you just trying to get a rise out of me. I think you're either scum trying to spin everything I do into being scummy. I doubt you're a lyncher because that'd be weird with huh what disappearing too.

Validon no one is asking you to vote Serela other then the angry Bardiche. You should stop voting huh what though. And he didn't do it because he didn't get my super secret message that I tried to crumb to him. Also because he says he tried to target BigBangMeteor last night.

Cut: Bard are you being pedantic? SilentShaman DIDN'T CLAIM HER ROLE NAME. How could he have known he needed to lynch her, and you might note, SHE WASN'T THE ROLE NAME HE WAS ASKING ABOUT.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #435 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:07:55 AM »

(I was going to make a case on either Serela or huh what actually but shenanigans, always shenanigans.)

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #436 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:10:17 AM »

fun fact: I had Kay down as town for not claiming her character name; scum would want to make their fakeclaim as realistic as possible and there's meta precedence for Kay flaking character details as town.

but i didn't push it because bard had just handwaved something else i said as wifom and i was pretty sure the same thing would just happen again. not really worth my time as itp but if affinity is mafia then you can blame me for not having a d1 scum lynch. sry :(

shadoweh what do you think of ihnn/affinity

Validon98 · « **Reply #437 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:13:29 AM »

You want me to change my vote? Convince me why I should. If you can, fine, I'll switch to Affinity for reasons already specified by HW (yes, I agree with you that essentially all he has been doing is trying to defend himself without helping find scum). If not, I'm staying on HW. So convince me.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #438 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:14:32 AM »

voting affinity has a chance of lynching mafia

Validon98 · « **Reply #439 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:17:29 AM »

I was talking to Shadoweh. I know perfectly why you don't me to lynch you.

Validon98 · « **Reply #440 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:18:42 AM »

And again, if Shadoweh can convince me, fine, I'll switch to Affinity.

BigBangMeteor · « **Reply #441 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:20:12 AM »

I really don't get the Zak NK because I didn't think he was town at all and was actually planning on making a case on him today. Wouldn't be surprised if Prims is an Assassin looking for Kotarou to win and shot Zak last night and the actual mafia NK got blocked. Prims, explain your role exactly, as well as what would happen if Shadoweh died tonight at the same time you tried to target her.

Now, that being said, I agree with what Prims said about Affinity and IHNN. IHNN's vote against HW is really bad; do you really think that if he was Lyncher, he'd celebrate about it right before lynching someone who wasn't even his target? My Affinity reasons from yesterday still apply, and his vote switch away from me didn't make sense with the reasons he was using against me. ##Vote: Affinity

Rai's case against Affinity doesn't distinguish between telling someone to talk about person X and voting them, so I don't agree with it, but his fervour makes me think he's more likely to be town.

Bardiche · « **Reply #442 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:25:53 AM »

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You're arguing that trying to prove an anti-town role means I'm scum.

I'm arguing that prioritising trying to lose your vote is anti-town, as votes are townie. Besides, what did you do Day 1 without vote? Did you try to push wagons on people you thought were scum? You don't NEED a vote to do shit, but it's tremendously helpful for townies to try and NOT LOSE THEIR VOTE so we have more votes than scum.

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You're ignoring a claimed third party in a vicarious discarding of your meta.

I'm playing towards my wincon.
My wincon includes lynching the Mafias.
My wincon does not include lynching the ITPs.
You're the Mafias.
Q.E.D. I want to lynch you.

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you apparently forgot the part earlier in this game where you said I'm a detriment to town no matter my faction, which I ignored as you just trying to get a rise out of me.

I consider your actions to almost always be consistent with what I consider to be scummy behaviour (lurking, not making cases, flip-flopping flippantly about daisies, avoiding answering questions straight-up). That's not to get a rise out of you, that's because it's so.

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Validon no one is asking you to vote Serela other then the angry Bardiche.

Misrep. I never asked anyone to vote Serela. In fact, I'm pretty sure I said not to.

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Bard are you being pedantic? SilentShaman DIDN'T CLAIM HER ROLE NAME. How could he have known he needed to lynch her, and you might note, SHE WASN'T THE ROLE NAME HE WAS ASKING ABOUT.

Lynchers are told what player name they need to lynch. I don't consider it likely he'd claim Lyncher without satisfying his wincon. Besides, you knew he claimed ITP and still claimed Kotarou. How is this in any way Town? Assisting the ITP is not in my Grand Book of Townie Behaviour.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #443 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:28:09 AM »

bbm if i was an assassin then you'd have died last night. i had a meta towntell on nnr and nobody else seemed to suspect zak so i don't think it's weird he bit it, especially if affinity is scum (look at where zak's vote was at the end of the day)

i'm actually not sure what would happen if shadoweh died on the same night i targeted her

Shadoweh · « **Reply #444 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:29:53 AM »

ugh I don't want to reeeeeeeeeeeead. I said such nice things about Affinity though. Granted they were based on Raikaria being awful, but that was before the lynch. I haven't reread Affinity and I don't have time to right now >_> I liked IHNN's entrance. I'm sorry I'm a terrible buddy.
You don't think Bard handwaving your experience to get a town lynch is scummy of him?

Validon: What huh what says about his behavior is true, he's been pushing there only being two mafia, and being the third party would make him in the best positon to know. Also if he were an actively harmful third party he'd have no reason to out what he is to everyone, because he'd want to survive. Also what he says about needing to target me makes sense for the role he's claiming. Therefore he is at most a third party that will kill me and will leave the game on his own, and otherwise just a suicidal dude. So lynching him is pointless unless you like me that much.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #445 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:30:07 AM »

Votecount

huh what(2) I have no name, Validon98
Affinity(2): huh what, BigBangMeteor
I have no name(1): Serela
Shadoweh(1): Bardiche
Bardiche(1): Shadoweh
Not voting(3): BT, Raikaria, Affinity
With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

You have ~69.5 hours remaining in the day.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #446 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:31:58 AM »

i admit i was planning to just assume bard was scum who wanted to joint with me if he didn't vote me immediately today buuuuut i think affinity looks a lot worse and it's not like it's impossible for town to think lynching me would be a waste (i'm a harmless neutral, so i'm not considered a threat to the town like sk or something)

just because raikaria made a bad case doesn't mean that affinity can't be scum, also.

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #447 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:33:36 AM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on May 25, 2013, 02:29:53 AM

You don't think Bard handwaving your experience to get a town lynch is scummy of him?

not unless affinity flips scum, which is why we should get on that lynch

Serela · « **Reply #448 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:34:43 AM »

##Unvote ##Vote Affinity

Validon98 · « **Reply #449 on:** May 25, 2013, 02:34:54 AM »

Looks like I didn't need to wait for Shadoweh after all, although if she answers me, so much the better.

##Unvote
##Vote: Affinity

Also, yeah, Bardiche never asked me to vote Serela. No one did. I just thought it a little strange, that's all.

Cut: Okay, just making sure your opinion wasn't scum-motivated, but then again it was a dumb idea for me to continue voting HW anyways. Of course, if HW just leaves, we're down a potential vote for getting rid of the mafia. Then again, I assume being third party means that HW simply doesn't need to lynch mafia, which makes me angry, but there's nothing I can do about it.