Author Topic: Rewrite Mafia (Game Over - Town and Third Party Win)  (Read 87213 times)

Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #330 on: May 23, 2013, 10:22:25 PM »
One question I have for Affinity in case he pops up before deadline: why switch off BBM to Raikaria when you had all of one post on BBM? It seems like you were quick to give up pushing BBM and while I get why you suspect Raikaria, I can't tell why you think Raikaria is the worse of the two.

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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #331 on: May 23, 2013, 10:24:14 PM »
Rai: Are you intentionally dumbing down the case on SS?

Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #332 on: May 23, 2013, 10:25:40 PM »
Bard, thoughts on Affinity wagon + case in general?

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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #333 on: May 23, 2013, 10:30:28 PM »
Flip-flopping on it. Affinity's post in response to getting attacked was a lot better for me. His posts afterwards peter off and read uninspiring. I'm OK with a lynch on him.

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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #334 on: May 23, 2013, 10:32:09 PM »
Rai: Are you intentionally dumbing down the case on SS?

I asked someone to explain the case to me because I wasn't getting it.

The answer was 'The Bard vote'.


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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #335 on: May 23, 2013, 10:34:57 PM »
Obviously given the location of my vote I consider SS a more dire priority and would like AFfinity to redeem himself tomorrow. Here is where Affinity hits none of the interesting topics of the day. A soft touch on Shadoweh where Affinity doesn't even touch upon what activity SHadoweh DOES have, only commenting on a lack of it. "Sort of detached" doesn't qualify it as either scummy or town, making it an empty observation.

I asked someone to explain the case to me because I wasn't getting it.

The answer was 'The Bard vote'.

Would love to have multiple lynches so we can get this guy too.

Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #336 on: May 23, 2013, 10:39:22 PM »
imo Raikaria is more silly than scum. I'm reading him as town chipping in effort, just very misguided effort. Not to mention his voteblock reaction from ED1.

Kay is scummy not only because of the Bard vote, but for never really explaining why Bard attacking the cases on Serela had scum intent, ignoring Bard's future posts and not really trying to push the case or look into other people either. Most of her other content has been one-liners that don't really inquire into anybody's alignment.

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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #337 on: May 23, 2013, 10:39:59 PM »
I'll say it again, as far as I see and understand, people are voting Shaman because he is voting Bardiche.

While I agree his vote is silly, that does not make him the scums. Especially when there's things I can go after like Shadoweh's evasion of Bard's questions, and Affinity's... #248 that I've explained about too many times now.

If I'm to vote Shaman, it's your job to convince me that it's a better lynch than Affinity and Shadoweh, because as it stands I see Shaman as 'silly' not 'scummy'.


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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #338 on: May 23, 2013, 10:41:09 PM »
Would love to have multiple lynches so we can get this guy too.

Hey, that's not all I said but the SS vote, damn it! I also said how Kay wasn't really making a good defense despite all of the accusations thrown at him. I did not just say "the Bard vote," so don't lie about it. >.>
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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #339 on: May 23, 2013, 10:41:40 PM »
Kay is scummy not only because of the Bard vote, but for never really explaining why Bard attacking the cases on Serela had scum intent, ignoring Bard's future posts and not really trying to push the case or look into other people either. Most of her other content has been one-liners that don't really inquire into anybody's alignment.


Cut by this.

So, basically, the vote is for a votepark and then lurking through D1? Well, that makes the case a bit stronger, but I'd still rather see Affinity lynched.


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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #340 on: May 23, 2013, 10:42:35 PM »
Raikaria:When Bard responded, SS more or less ignored the reply (Despite it being very valid and entirely explaining why he did what SS was voting him for in a way that made complete townie sense) and when asked by me about it pretty much literally replied "Maybe it's true, maybe it's not." (True might have been a different word there, but it's more or less that) SS also has hardly contributed at all, making a few idle pokes on you and not really doing anything else that was relevant.
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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #341 on: May 23, 2013, 10:42:50 PM »
That's a better-stated version of what I said earlier. Thank you for clarifying, HW.
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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #342 on: May 23, 2013, 10:43:04 PM »
Hey, that's not all I said but the SS vote, damn it! I also said how Kay wasn't really making a good defense despite all of the accusations thrown at him. I did not just say "the Bard vote," so don't lie about it. >.>

Talking about Raikaria, stop overreacting to every little thing.

Raikaria if you're too lazy to read what's going on after multiple people stated what's bad about SS then you're really a detriment to town and I want to see you dead before LYLO.

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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #343 on: May 23, 2013, 10:44:10 PM »
Whoops, I thought you were talking to me because I was the one who attempted to explain the reasoning for the SS vote to Rai. Sorry. ^^;
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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #344 on: May 23, 2013, 10:44:28 PM »
oh people just explained it `-`

But yeah there's a lot of other people I wouldn't mind lynching either, along similar lines as everyone else >_>; Except maybe Plus BT Even Though I Don't Have A Very Good Reason. I'm hoping some of these will clear up d2 since that's too many scumreads. SS I still think is a great lynch tho' and would probably be my top pick out of them so yea
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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #345 on: May 23, 2013, 10:47:45 PM »
that's funny serela i'm townreading half the game

who exactly are your surplus scumreads and why, instead of just giving us a blanket statement?

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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #346 on: May 23, 2013, 10:48:23 PM »
Votecount

SilentShaman(5): BT, huh what, Bardiche, Validon98, Serela
Affinity(3): BigBangMeteor, SilentShaman, Raikaria
Raikaria(1): Affinity
Not voting (2): I have no name, Zakeri
With 11 votes in play it takes 6 to lynch.
There are ~3 hours remaining in the day.

Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #347 on: May 23, 2013, 10:49:53 PM »
Also the reason I don't think this is town!Shadoweh being unhelpful is because she doesn't seem to be putting effort into finding scum. Shadoweh likes to find townreads regardless of alignment, but this game she's skipping the part where she looks at the scum candidates she PoEs it down to.

I think a lot of this read has more to do with Shadoweh not having a vote than him being scum. He got super lackluster in Villians when it happened, but in the games where he is scum, he's at least willing to make a huge encompassing case on somebody day one.

One question I have for Affinity in case he pops up before deadline: why switch off BBM to Raikaria when you had all of one post on BBM? It seems like you were quick to give up pushing BBM and while I get why you suspect Raikaria, I can't tell why you think Raikaria is the worse of the two.
I would like this answered before hammer if possible.

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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #348 on: May 23, 2013, 10:51:39 PM »
Raikaria if you're too lazy to read what's going on after multiple people stated what's bad about SS then you're really a detriment to town and I want to see you dead before LYLO.

I'm not too lazy to read what is going on.

I just do not, from my opinion, see Shaman as lynchworthy. Especially over Affinity. It is as much my job to convince people to vote Affinity as it is your job to convince me to vote Shadow.

That's kind of how the game works. People read things. People make opinions. People convince others that have a difference of opinion to see their way.

I do not think that Shadow is the best lynch right now. It is as simple as that. I do not see him as scum, more null. You see him as the best lynch.

If I'm a 'detriment to town' for playing Mafia and not being one of those nodding dogs in the back of the car, or a sheep, well, I'll keep being a 'detriment to town', because that's how you play Mafia.

Do I think Silent Shaman is useful? No.

Do I think he is the scums? Not really, especially compared to Shadoweh and Affinity.

I will vote him for consolidation, and only for consolidation. Until then, I will hold out hope that people will switch to Affinity.

HW's question to Affinity is also one of the major reasons I am voting him. His reasoning for voting me over BBM/Shaman is illogical, if he agrees with the case on Shaman, and thinks BBM is worse still, why does he think having a 'jumpy vote' is worse than both? [Not to mention the whole 'viable wagon' line and then doing that]


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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #349 on: May 23, 2013, 10:52:05 PM »
The final paragraph was due to being cut by Zakeri btw.


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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #350 on: May 23, 2013, 11:00:05 PM »
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I'm not too lazy to read what is going on.

I just do not, from my opinion, see Shaman as lynchworthy. Especially over Affinity. It is as much my job to convince people to vote Affinity as it is your job to convince me to vote Shadow.

I mean the part where you don't read cases people make. If you'd read cases, you'd know it was more than "the Bard vote". This laziness is anti-town at best and scummy at worst.

Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #351 on: May 23, 2013, 11:01:40 PM »
I think a lot of this read has more to do with Shadoweh not having a vote than him being scum. He got super lackluster in Villians when it happened, but in the games where he is scum, he's at least willing to make a huge encompassing case on somebody day one.
ugh yeah thinking about past scum!Shadoweh games this is probably a good point. I wouldn't totally write Shadoweh off as possible scum but it does make me feel better about her.

Which basically leaves my top suspects at Kay/Affinity, the latter being because of the question I asked. Odds of scum/scum wagons on D1?

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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #352 on: May 23, 2013, 11:04:21 PM »
I mean the part where you don't read cases people make. If you'd read cases, you'd know it was more than "the Bard vote". This laziness is anti-town at best and scummy at worst.

Except I don't get the point of the cases, they're disjointed, and multiple points are made by multiple people which makes following the overall, overarching reasons difficult.

And the core of it is the Bard vote. Then his reactions to criticism afterwards, and general lack of play after that. The core reason is still the Bard vote.


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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #353 on: May 23, 2013, 11:06:33 PM »
##Vote: Affinity for posterity if nothing else.
I was already suspicious of the way he tried to word his case on Raikaria to make it bigger than it is.
Looking back at his vote for BBM- It starts weak, but that's fine. It later gets stronger reasoning, but at a time where he changes vote to Raikaria. I think a town player would have at least tried to press harder on BBM when he has more reason to do so, but affinity feels reactionary here. He seems more interested in shooting down cases against himself than scumhunting.

Actually looking even closer, BBM doesn't really seem to be doing any of the stuff Affinity is accusing him of either. Curious.

Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #354 on: May 23, 2013, 11:09:47 PM »
Question: who here would hammer Affinity if I switched wagons?

Currently thinking it over.

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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #355 on: May 23, 2013, 11:12:04 PM »
Except I don't get the point of the cases, they're disjointed, and multiple points are made by multiple people which makes following the overall, overarching reasons difficult.

And the core of it is the Bard vote. Then his reactions to criticism afterwards, and general lack of play after that. The core reason is still the Bard vote.

I think multiple people made the same points and the gist is pretty clear, but I'll just chalk that up to a difference in opinion. Going all, "I don't understand someone tell me what the case is" just strikes as incredible laziness and lack of reading, since "the Bard vote" isn't even a core reason in most people's cases. I see now it's just because you read things differently from how I do.

Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #356 on: May 23, 2013, 11:15:15 PM »
Basically I mulled over Kay's claim again and decided that while I could see scum in her position claiming VT, I don't think she in particular would have done so instead of pulling out something shiny to give town incentive to unvote her.

Claiming VT right then would have made sense for scum!Kay if she had a post with lots of effort that made up for her Bard vote and was trying to impress people. Instead, she had a bunch of one-line responses and a Not Me Over Me on somebody who at the time probably wasn't too likely of a wagon. As scum, that's tantamount to giving up, since nobody cares if they lynch a VT claim.

I'm gonna be so frustrated if I'm just waffling myself into swinging the wagons off scum, but oh well.

##Unvote
##Vote: Affinity

I also now have a Secret Scumread from re-reading.

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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #357 on: May 23, 2013, 11:15:43 PM »
HW: Shadoweh/Affinity/BT/Validon

Most of these aren't scumreads as much as bad and not-a-town-read reads (not a null read) and I'd lynch Raikaria before LyLo, which brings it up to five, which is pretty bad. The amount of townreads and amount of scumreads I would normally have are reversed.
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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #358 on: May 23, 2013, 11:20:40 PM »
tl;dr I've decided Kay's reaction to L-1 seems more like a VT participating in standard procedure than scum trying to survive. Meanwhile Affinity has spent most of the day moping about people being on him when his actual scumhunting priorities are pretty murky.

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Re: Rewrite Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #359 on: May 23, 2013, 11:24:15 PM »
Claiming VT right then would have made sense for scum!Kay if she had a post with lots of effort that made up for her Bard vote and was trying to impress people. Instead, she had a bunch of one-line responses and a Not Me Over Me on somebody who at the time probably wasn't too likely of a wagon. As scum, that's tantamount to giving up, since nobody cares if they lynch a VT claim.

Or scum gave up because wagon on her and she couldn't figure out what. Pls dont WIFOM.